Nope, not as far as i'm concerned. If you had taken that APC into the base, thats another story.
Yeah, been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Did almost exactly the thing you describe and was kicked for the same reason.
The fact that you have gone to such great lengths to cross half the map (undetected) and wreaked havoc is commendable in my book.
The fact that you weren't dealt with effectively by one or two of the vehicle hoes constantly spawning at the UCB goes to show they are only out for one thing - quick, easy points. You, messing up their strategic situation doesn't fit in that plan and they have a tantrum. Predictable. The key here is that you blew up their favorite vehicle. Don't believe that you blowing their assets actually made anyone mad - these types could care less. They just want to get back in their vehicle and commence to whoring.
In my case, I believe the admin who kicked me was pissed because I shot him as he spawned and ran straight for me with C4 in his hands (I happened to be in the hangar where his coveted jet would have been had I hadn't just blown it to kingdom come). In my case, I came back in the server after my 1 minute timeout and asked (nicely) WTF? I was informed of my deficit and told that no, having him jet whore spawn rape our main base was not prohibited since our main base was "cappable".
This whole fascination with differentiating between a cappable and uncappable base really boggles my mind. I mean, who cares? If it's uncappable, that makes it just so much harder for you and me to do our great spec ops work w/o getting waxed. No insurance for us that the NME won't just respawn and suddenly realize if they put their minds to it they can kill us and we won't be back for another 5 minutes. Seems to me it's much easier to camp a single spawn point and rack up kills than it is to "camp" a dual spawn point UCB and blow up assets - you never know where you're going to be hit from.
Gratz - you did well!
The fact that you have gone to such great lengths to cross half the map (undetected) and wreaked havoc is commendable in my book.
The fact that you weren't dealt with effectively by one or two of the vehicle hoes constantly spawning at the UCB goes to show they are only out for one thing - quick, easy points. You, messing up their strategic situation doesn't fit in that plan and they have a tantrum. Predictable. The key here is that you blew up their favorite vehicle. Don't believe that you blowing their assets actually made anyone mad - these types could care less. They just want to get back in their vehicle and commence to whoring.
In my case, I believe the admin who kicked me was pissed because I shot him as he spawned and ran straight for me with C4 in his hands (I happened to be in the hangar where his coveted jet would have been had I hadn't just blown it to kingdom come). In my case, I came back in the server after my 1 minute timeout and asked (nicely) WTF? I was informed of my deficit and told that no, having him jet whore spawn rape our main base was not prohibited since our main base was "cappable".
This whole fascination with differentiating between a cappable and uncappable base really boggles my mind. I mean, who cares? If it's uncappable, that makes it just so much harder for you and me to do our great spec ops work w/o getting waxed. No insurance for us that the NME won't just respawn and suddenly realize if they put their minds to it they can kill us and we won't be back for another 5 minutes. Seems to me it's much easier to camp a single spawn point and rack up kills than it is to "camp" a dual spawn point UCB and blow up assets - you never know where you're going to be hit from.
Gratz - you did well!
Actually, there is something like baseraping... if at Karkand an MEC apc stands at the US Spawnpoint (and I mean really at it... not down there near hotel) killing people who just have spawned and weren't even able to move, that is spawn camping... only people who are losers in real life and think they are cool and great if they push their stats like that need to do that. Same goes for US APCs standing at the Spawnpoints of Hotel.
Going through the enemy base as Spec Ops heading for Commander Assets, taking out some enemys in the process OTOH isn't baseraping... how could it be? A single solidier should be easy to take out by 32 spawning players, as he isn't even capableof killing all the spawners that quick.
Going through the enemy base as Spec Ops heading for Commander Assets, taking out some enemys in the process OTOH isn't baseraping... how could it be? A single solidier should be easy to take out by 32 spawning players, as he isn't even capableof killing all the spawners that quick.
Dude, you're going specops, its what you're mean't to do. Any server that has a problem with that can fuck off.
There is no such thing as "base raping". You went to take out assets. They spawn and could go for another flag or go after you. If they are firing on you and you're in their base are you not supposed to fire back? Just part of the game.
As far as the Karkand comments, spawn somewhere else. There is no such thing as base raping.
If there weren't assets to blow up, then yes you would be base raping. By putting targets to be destroyed in an ucappable base there can be no such thing as base raping.
Oh yeah, there is no such thing as base raping.
As far as the Karkand comments, spawn somewhere else. There is no such thing as base raping.
If there weren't assets to blow up, then yes you would be base raping. By putting targets to be destroyed in an ucappable base there can be no such thing as base raping.
Oh yeah, there is no such thing as base raping.
maybe if u were on foot and not in an APC it wouldnt be called base raping, armor approaching an uncap base shooting every1 they not exactly gonna let u roll in there r they...
What if I'm spawning the first time not knowing that there's an apc? Come on... that's just lame. Where's the fun and competition in that? Do you really need to do it? If you can't get your stats because you're that good then you just aren't that good... stop being lame just for the stats.JimCognito wrote:
As far as the Karkand comments, spawn somewhere else. There is no such thing as base raping.
I rarely get in armor on karkand. If I do as US, I'll shoot left and go for the suburb. I play AT most of the time just to blow up armor. I find that to be more fun. I rarely spawn at the hotel, I'll opt for the square every time. I don't really care about my stats, I play to win the round. None the less, don't spawn at the hotel. MEC could win Karkand every time if they gave up the hotel and defended suburb, square, and the lower route to the river. It's not my fault if people are stupid enough to spawn at the hotel.Vintageologist wrote:
What if I'm spawning the first time not knowing that there's an apc? Come on... that's just lame. Where's the fun and competition in that? Do you really need to do it? If you can't get your stats because you're that good then you just aren't that good... stop being lame just for the stats.JimCognito wrote:
As far as the Karkand comments, spawn somewhere else. There is no such thing as base raping.
To the people who said he should have only used 2 C4 on assets.
By using only 2 C4 on an asset the asset is non-operational, BUT they can be repaired by the first crank of the wrench. Or an engineer can drive by and they are operational again (but not fully repaired). Or by dropping a supply crate, the unit will be operational before the crate even hits the ground.
By using 3-5 C4 you guaranty that the asset is down for a significant amount of time.
If I remember correctly, these assets can have -20hp (full strength is 20hp).
By using only 2 C4 on an asset the asset is non-operational, BUT they can be repaired by the first crank of the wrench. Or an engineer can drive by and they are operational again (but not fully repaired). Or by dropping a supply crate, the unit will be operational before the crate even hits the ground.
By using 3-5 C4 you guaranty that the asset is down for a significant amount of time.
If I remember correctly, these assets can have -20hp (full strength is 20hp).
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Yes, you're right, spawning at Square is a good option. But ruining other players' (who might not be as clever) game still is lame in my book. And my previous post wasn't meant as an insult against you but more generally speaking... I'm just pissed to see guys doing that over and over again all the time and having high ranks for doing so. I mean, in the end, it's a game, and it's about competition, not "pwning" n00bs or anything. And I'm glad if some admins ban lamers for base raping, although there are some admins who will ban you for "base raping" while you were actually just taking out commander's assests... so there is a line to be drawn between these two...JimCognito wrote:
I rarely get in armor on karkand. If I do as US, I'll shoot left and go for the suburb. I play AT most of the time just to blow up armor. I find that to be more fun. I rarely spawn at the hotel, I'll opt for the square every time. I don't really care about my stats, I play to win the round. None the less, don't spawn at the hotel. MEC could win Karkand every time if they gave up the hotel and defended suburb, square, and the lower route to the river. It's not my fault if people are stupid enough to spawn at the hotel.Vintageologist wrote:
What if I'm spawning the first time not knowing that there's an apc? Come on... that's just lame. Where's the fun and competition in that? Do you really need to do it? If you can't get your stats because you're that good then you just aren't that good... stop being lame just for the stats.JimCognito wrote:
As far as the Karkand comments, spawn somewhere else. There is no such thing as base raping.
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your'e playing the GAME just the way it's meant to be!!
that's not the point.
as soon as people get killed at their main base they shout Baseraper!!
just like the footballplayer who was unable to score, he shouts :Yellow card! (talking soccer)
but the soccerplayer can shout, the match contineous.... however ,the BF2 player has a more powerfull weapon than his voice...the "KICK"and "BAN"buttons..
I allways think of it as a challenge, when I die the seventh time in a row....
try to hit them at least once you spawn, and with a little patience...
that's not the point.
as soon as people get killed at their main base they shout Baseraper!!
just like the footballplayer who was unable to score, he shouts :Yellow card! (talking soccer)
but the soccerplayer can shout, the match contineous.... however ,the BF2 player has a more powerfull weapon than his voice...the "KICK"and "BAN"buttons..
I allways think of it as a challenge, when I die the seventh time in a row....
try to hit them at least once you spawn, and with a little patience...
I know I was "raped" spawning at the hotel when the game first launched till I wised up and started spawning at the hotel. If you've played the game for a week and are still getting "raped" by spawning at the hotel, that's just stupid. All these people getting killed by spawning at the hotel aren't new to the game either, they should have learned by now to spawn at the square.Vintageologist wrote:
Yes, you're right, spawning at Square is a good option. But ruining other players' (who might not be as clever) game still is lame in my book. And my previous post wasn't meant as an insult against you but more generally speaking... I'm just pissed to see guys doing that over and over again all the time and having high ranks for doing so. I mean, in the end, it's a game, and it's about competition, not "pwning" n00bs or anything. And I'm glad if some admins ban lamers for base raping, although there are some admins who will ban you for "base raping" while you were actually just taking out commander's assests... so there is a line to be drawn between these two...JimCognito wrote:
I rarely get in armor on karkand. If I do as US, I'll shoot left and go for the suburb. I play AT most of the time just to blow up armor. I find that to be more fun. I rarely spawn at the hotel, I'll opt for the square every time. I don't really care about my stats, I play to win the round. None the less, don't spawn at the hotel. MEC could win Karkand every time if they gave up the hotel and defended suburb, square, and the lower route to the river. It's not my fault if people are stupid enough to spawn at the hotel.Vintageologist wrote:
What if I'm spawning the first time not knowing that there's an apc? Come on... that's just lame. Where's the fun and competition in that? Do you really need to do it? If you can't get your stats because you're that good then you just aren't that good... stop being lame just for the stats.
I know, but this is a... yes... call it moral thing to me... but you may have a different approach to the game... I'm also one of those 0.0001% who will actually let others fly a plane who have been waiting there and never got a chance to fly yet cause some guy has the better plane whoring tactic...JimCognito wrote:
I know I was "raped" spawning at the hotel when the game first launched till I wised up and started spawning at the hotel. If you've played the game for a week and are still getting "raped" by spawning at the hotel, that's just stupid. All these people getting killed by spawning at the hotel aren't new to the game either, they should have learned by now to spawn at the square.Vintageologist wrote:
Yes, you're right, spawning at Square is a good option. But ruining other players' (who might not be as clever) game still is lame in my book. And my previous post wasn't meant as an insult against you but more generally speaking... I'm just pissed to see guys doing that over and over again all the time and having high ranks for doing so. I mean, in the end, it's a game, and it's about competition, not "pwning" n00bs or anything. And I'm glad if some admins ban lamers for base raping, although there are some admins who will ban you for "base raping" while you were actually just taking out commander's assests... so there is a line to be drawn between these two...JimCognito wrote:
I rarely get in armor on karkand. If I do as US, I'll shoot left and go for the suburb. I play AT most of the time just to blow up armor. I find that to be more fun. I rarely spawn at the hotel, I'll opt for the square every time. I don't really care about my stats, I play to win the round. None the less, don't spawn at the hotel. MEC could win Karkand every time if they gave up the hotel and defended suburb, square, and the lower route to the river. It's not my fault if people are stupid enough to spawn at the hotel.
You do what you can to get Kills and help your team and you do what you can to not get killed to help your team, it's that simple. This is war buddy, kill 'em all and let the re-spawn sort 'em out!
Like I said, different approach
This is not baseraping. I would only use that term to describe somebody who is playing extremely cheaply. Like a pilot who times vehicle respawns and strafes them everytime they appear. Or an APC driver that spawn camps.
Otherwise , its a wargame. Are you supposed to sit back and let them select their positions and win, etc? Hell no, you are supposed to get kills.
In the end you just have to be aware of how you are playing. There are some exploitative strategies in this game that cant really be countered, so if you are getting your wins using them, then you should ask yourself whether you respect your style of playing.
But going back to your question, I would say there is nothing unfair AT ALL about a lone spec ops sneaking to their bases and getting kills/blowing up assests. An unskilled player would probably just get there and die. Sounds like you just encountered a mean admin.
Otherwise , its a wargame. Are you supposed to sit back and let them select their positions and win, etc? Hell no, you are supposed to get kills.
In the end you just have to be aware of how you are playing. There are some exploitative strategies in this game that cant really be countered, so if you are getting your wins using them, then you should ask yourself whether you respect your style of playing.
But going back to your question, I would say there is nothing unfair AT ALL about a lone spec ops sneaking to their bases and getting kills/blowing up assests. An unskilled player would probably just get there and die. Sounds like you just encountered a mean admin.
Are you sure this doesn't just apply to the UAV?Stubbee wrote:
To the people who said he should have only used 2 C4 on assets.
By using only 2 C4 on an asset the asset is non-operational, BUT they can be repaired by the first crank of the wrench. Or an engineer can drive by and they are operational again (but not fully repaired). Or by dropping a supply crate, the unit will be operational before the crate even hits the ground.
By using 3-5 C4 you guaranty that the asset is down for a significant amount of time.
If I remember correctly, these assets can have -20hp (full strength is 20hp).
Maybe its my placement but I've always noticed UAV takes 3 but the others fully blow up with 2.
have always said no such thing as "base raping" per say.... you can absolutely pwn a base of n00bs.... but no "base raping"
it's a relative term as to who's teh_pwnerer and who're the little n00bs that get you know like.... totally pwn'ed
it's a relative term as to who's teh_pwnerer and who're the little n00bs that get you know like.... totally pwn'ed
Yeah, baserapers all think that they are doing it because they have a lot of skill and no one can stop them.
The reality is that there are usually a handful of people on the raped team that could just as easily be owning in the air except they think that it is boring and cheap to spend their time using the most powerful weapons in the game. I mean hell, when you are in a jet the game becomes so microcosmic. The only things that are of any threat to you are other jets and AA. You miss out on 90% of the game and its subtleties while playing this way. I like to do a bit of flying but if I really liked flying that much, I would get a game that actually had good flight modelling.
And what drives me crazy about the rapers is that when one of these jet obsessed people shows up, then one of the skilled people on your team that doesnt feel like flying then HAS to fly because otherwise the noob on the other team will just spend the whole round getting their easy kills strafing spawnpoints. And here is what makes them really cheap. When you step up to take them out, because they are "baseraping" they will probably get free, almost-skillless, kills on you because they are low enough to just be timing your jet spawns so that nobody can take off and deal with them on an even playing field. Honestly, who respects that? Its sounds like someone so desperate for points that they don't even care if they use the easiest possible route (other than maybe obsessive revives or claymores).
All kinds of "baseraping" requires different skills but I really am prepared to laugh at anyone that thinks it takes much skill at all to avoid AA and strafe spawnpoints. Don't believe the hype! There are a handful of simple steps that anybody can learn in order to have this strategy down. Strafing a person on the runway is like stealing candy from a baby. People don't respect those tactics in the real world either. and in the real world those tactics are only resorted to for life-or-death reasons anyway.
But once again, I'm not dissing on any kit of vehicle altogether, just the drivers/users that obviously don't challenge themselves and choose to use the easiest possible strategies. They bring down the quality of the game for everyone by making it necessary to use the same exploitative tactics.
Its inevitable that in a game where u get interchangeable points for various actions that HOW you get these points is what determines your level of skill. If you get cheap kills then no respect. If you get your points in challenging ways then great. Its just silly to act like there is no such thing as being cheap in this game because some people are all about it and it can reduce rounds to the most unfortunate terms.
The reality is that there are usually a handful of people on the raped team that could just as easily be owning in the air except they think that it is boring and cheap to spend their time using the most powerful weapons in the game. I mean hell, when you are in a jet the game becomes so microcosmic. The only things that are of any threat to you are other jets and AA. You miss out on 90% of the game and its subtleties while playing this way. I like to do a bit of flying but if I really liked flying that much, I would get a game that actually had good flight modelling.
And what drives me crazy about the rapers is that when one of these jet obsessed people shows up, then one of the skilled people on your team that doesnt feel like flying then HAS to fly because otherwise the noob on the other team will just spend the whole round getting their easy kills strafing spawnpoints. And here is what makes them really cheap. When you step up to take them out, because they are "baseraping" they will probably get free, almost-skillless, kills on you because they are low enough to just be timing your jet spawns so that nobody can take off and deal with them on an even playing field. Honestly, who respects that? Its sounds like someone so desperate for points that they don't even care if they use the easiest possible route (other than maybe obsessive revives or claymores).
All kinds of "baseraping" requires different skills but I really am prepared to laugh at anyone that thinks it takes much skill at all to avoid AA and strafe spawnpoints. Don't believe the hype! There are a handful of simple steps that anybody can learn in order to have this strategy down. Strafing a person on the runway is like stealing candy from a baby. People don't respect those tactics in the real world either. and in the real world those tactics are only resorted to for life-or-death reasons anyway.
But once again, I'm not dissing on any kit of vehicle altogether, just the drivers/users that obviously don't challenge themselves and choose to use the easiest possible strategies. They bring down the quality of the game for everyone by making it necessary to use the same exploitative tactics.
Its inevitable that in a game where u get interchangeable points for various actions that HOW you get these points is what determines your level of skill. If you get cheap kills then no respect. If you get your points in challenging ways then great. Its just silly to act like there is no such thing as being cheap in this game because some people are all about it and it can reduce rounds to the most unfortunate terms.
Let me have a toke on that after you!Marinejuana wrote:
Yeah, baserapers all think that they are doing it because they have a lot of skill and no one can stop them.
The reality is that there are usually a handful of people on the raped team that could just as easily be owning in the air except they think that it is boring and cheap to spend their time using the most powerful weapons in the game. I mean hell, when you are in a jet the game becomes so microcosmic. The only things that are of any threat to you are other jets and AA. You miss out on 90% of the game and its subtleties while playing this way. I like to do a bit of flying but if I really liked flying that much, I would get a game that actually had good flight modelling.
And what drives me crazy about the rapers is that when one of these jet obsessed people shows up, then one of the skilled people on your team that doesnt feel like flying then HAS to fly because otherwise the noob on the other team will just spend the whole round getting their easy kills strafing spawnpoints. And here is what makes them really cheap. When you step up to take them out, because they are "baseraping" they will probably get free, almost-skillless, kills on you because they are low enough to just be timing your jet spawns so that nobody can take off and deal with them on an even playing field. Honestly, who respects that? Its sounds like someone so desperate for points that they don't even care if they use the easiest possible route (other than maybe obsessive revives or claymores).
All kinds of "baseraping" requires different skills but I really am prepared to laugh at anyone that thinks it takes much skill at all to avoid AA and strafe spawnpoints. Don't believe the hype! There are a handful of simple steps that anybody can learn in order to have this strategy down. Strafing a person on the runway is like stealing candy from a baby. People don't respect those tactics in the real world either. and in the real world those tactics are only resorted to for life-or-death reasons anyway.
But once again, I'm not dissing on any kit of vehicle altogether, just the drivers/users that obviously don't challenge themselves and choose to use the easiest possible strategies. They bring down the quality of the game for everyone by making it necessary to use the same exploitative tactics.
Its inevitable that in a game where u get interchangeable points for various actions that HOW you get these points is what determines your level of skill. If you get cheap kills then no respect. If you get your points in challenging ways then great. Its just silly to act like there is no such thing as being cheap in this game because some people are all about it and it can reduce rounds to the most unfortunate terms.