Overwhelming Negativism

2010-07-13 15:55:23

#1

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6919|Global Command

I hear it every day from people from all walks of life.
The small business person feels like an endangered species. The people working for large companies live in terror of losing their jobs.
Cities are cutting back and the first thing they cut is police, fire and public parks. Never the pensions of the politicians.
"It's going to get worse before it gets betterf . "

I keep hearing that.

I also hear adults, homeowners and career people openenly discussing suicide. Yes, suicide.

One sees little to discourage negative thinking about world stability or the economy.

So I ask you; what are the people thinking this way missing?
What do I say to the 99'ers, the resume senders?

This whole situation seems to be getting out of hand imo.

2010-07-13 15:56:40

#2

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5748|London, England

You should encourage them.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-07-13 16:06:01

#3

jord: Member; +2,382|7068|The North, beyond the wall.

You should try to be civil to people.

2010-07-13 16:18:42

#4

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6496|eXtreme to the maX

ATG wrote:
So I ask you; what are the people thinking this way missing?

Perspective.

Your country isn't involved in a world war, the black death isn't killing 50% of the population, you guys have so much to eat half of you are obese, you don't have to send your 10 year old kids out to work 14 hour days 7 days a week in the mines just to put food on the table.
Its a shame you're not making quite as much money as you might otherwise, hard luck.

Get some bloody perspective, and tell your fellow countrymen to stop being such whiny asses.

Fuck Israel

2010-07-13 16:38:15

#5

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6919|Global Command

JohnG@lt wrote:
You should encourage them.

But I'd like specific instances where I can point to somebody and say here is the long term view and how what we are doing now will benefit me as a citizen of The United States later
How shall the problems of government debt be solved?
How shall the millions of college grads coming out of school now make a living?

Are not wages and property being devalued?

After NAFTA and related free trade agreements we waited the " high tech jobs of the future. "

Am I incorrect in saying the hitech jobs of the future appear to be self checkout lanes and robotic forklift drivers?

A friend is a recently graduated chiropracter with 200k or so in debt.
He has been through three statesand can't make enough to make the insurance payments. He now makes $25.00 per hour in an established place. $25.00 in L.A. is poverty and he has a six week old and a troubled marriage and I don't know what to tell him. You probably know that the closest thing to debtors prisoner are student loans. no bk, no negotiations.
I hear construction workers talk about going to college and college grads not being able to find work.

I am confused.

2010-07-13 16:38:57

#6

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7097|67.222.138.85

This is coming from ATG?

Even the topic in itself is an absurd paradox.

Ignoring all else the proposition that reality is not a negative experience by default is ridiculous anyways. Prove there is reason to be optimistic before you even begin to ask how one is supposed to be optimistic.

2010-07-13 16:41:49

#7

cl4u53w1t2: Salon-Bolschewist; +269|6863|Kakanien

suicide is an option

Last edited by cl4u53w1t2 (2010-07-13 16:42:04)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oh3h3DvY0

2010-07-13 16:45:27

#8

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6389|Vortex Ring State

cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
suicide is an option

suicide is ALWAYS an option unless they put you in a padded cell strapped down to a bed with a nutrient IV drip in your blood

2010-07-13 16:47:49

#9

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6912|...

nature weeds out its weak

2010-07-13 16:53:37

#10

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6919|Global Command

cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
suicide is an option

I agree that in certain circumstances it can be a rational decision, but assuming you are discussing a point and not trolling, to do that is irrational if you believe or don't believe that this life is all there is. Either you blow your one chance or you condemn yourself to hell.
Either way you are fucked.

@ fm:
I am not arguing an esoteric thought I am asking, what is good right now?
be specific. I am also asking the question from the point of view of the 30% or so of the economy that is well and truly fucked.

I have a buddy that is accredited private armed security that used to make high dollars providing security to ships outbound for Middle Eastern theatres of war.
Now he is as broke as most of us and said " when Obama got elected, it wasn't like the boats stopped going to irag and afghanistan; it's that contracts for the security of those boats came to an end."
I mean, without reading some paranoia into what he is saying do you, um...have a good plan for what advice I might offer him chum?

2010-07-13 16:59:54

#11

jord: Member; +2,382|7068|The North, beyond the wall.

People say u need the bitter to appreciate the sweet.

I say the sweet makes the bitter more potent. Such is life.

Suicide is really only an option if you're not too concerned with your loved ones or have none. Id wait until my mother passes on personally.

2010-07-13 17:27:13

#12

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5748|London, England

ATG wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
You should encourage them.
But I'd like specific instances where I can point to somebody and say here is the long term view and how what we are doing now will benefit me as a citizen of The United States later
How shall the problems of government debt be solved?
How shall the millions of college grads coming out of school now make a living?

Are not wages and property being devalued?

After NAFTA and related free trade agreements we waited the " high tech jobs of the future. "

Am I incorrect in saying the hitech jobs of the future appear to be self checkout lanes and robotic forklift drivers?

A friend is a recently graduated chiropracter with 200k or so in debt.
He has been through three statesand can't make enough to make the insurance payments. He now makes $25.00 per hour in an established place. $25.00 in L.A. is poverty and he has a six week old and a troubled marriage and I don't know what to tell him. You probably know that the closest thing to debtors prisoner are student loans. no bk, no negotiations.
I hear construction workers talk about going to college and college grads not being able to find work.

I am confused.

No. You should encourage them to off themselves. No one likes a whiner. If it sucks so bad leave California, it's a cesspool.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-07-13 17:30:24

#13

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5748|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
ATG wrote:
So I ask you; what are the people thinking this way missing?
Perspective.

Your country isn't involved in a world war, the black death isn't killing 50% of the population, you guys have so much to eat half of you are obese, you don't have to send your 10 year old kids out to work 14 hour days 7 days a week in the mines just to put food on the table.
Its a shame you're not making quite as much money as you might otherwise, hard luck.

Get some bloody perspective, and tell your fellow countrymen to stop being such whiny asses.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul says the poor in America are "enormously better off than the rest of the world," citing an old Cold War film that showed even impoverished homes had color televisions.

Paul's recent remarks at his first forum with Democratic opponent Jack Conway stirred some anger in impoverished pockets of Kentucky, where as many as a third of residents live in poverty.

The libertarian-leaning Paul addressed the issue of poverty by alluding to a decades-old, anti-American propaganda film by the Soviet government designed to criticize the free-market system.

"They filmed a building in the poorer section of New York with some broken windows and they said, `Oh, this is how the poor in America lives,"' Paul said at last week's forum. "But it backfired on them because the Soviet citizens looked at that video closely and they saw flickering color television sets in all those windows."

Paul went on to say that "the poor in our country are enormously better off than the rest of the world. It doesn't mean we can't do better. But we have to acknowledge and be proud of our system of capitalism."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07 … tter-poor/

I read this today and facepalmed, hard. The guy is speaking the truth but they'd rather be lied to.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-07-13 17:37:35

#14

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7097|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:
@ fm:
I am not arguing an esoteric thought I am asking, what is good right now?
be specific. I am also asking the question from the point of view of the 30% or so of the economy that is well and truly fucked.

I have a buddy that is accredited private armed security that used to make high dollars providing security to ships outbound for Middle Eastern theatres of war.
Now he is as broke as most of us and said " when Obama got elected, it wasn't like the boats stopped going to irag and afghanistan; it's that contracts for the security of those boats came to an end."
I mean, without reading some paranoia into what he is saying do you, um...have a good plan for what advice I might offer him chum?

Again, you are arguing from the point of view that there must be reason for optimism. There is not good because you think there should be good.

2010-07-13 17:40:10

#15

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5748|London, England

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Again, you are arguing from the point of view that there must be reason for optimism. There is not good because you think there should be good.

But that's the way it's always been

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-07-13 17:43:04

#16

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5568|Sydney

ATG wrote:
So I ask you; what are the people thinking this way missing?

Perspective.

Last edited by Jaekus (2010-07-13 17:43:22)

2010-07-13 18:30:07

#17

Reciprocity: Member; +721|6971|the dank(super) side of Oregon

You're in california, reality does not apply.

2010-07-13 19:36:49

#18

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7097|67.222.138.85

You, your ability, and your ethics are the only things you can count on. Tying your most basic welfare in to the rise and fall of the collective, risking the only important things on the competency of anyone but yourself is nonsense. That includes business propositions that are only valid in flourishing economic times.

Therefore tying your personal future outlook to the situation of the masses is nonsense.

2010-07-14 07:19:06

#19

Stubbee: Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts; +223|7133|Reality

I ROFL'ed at the irony of the thread title and the OP.

The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'

2010-07-14 07:22:33

#20

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5649|foggy bottom

its been the same song from this guy for the last 4 + years. nothing to see here.

Tu Stultus Es

2010-07-14 08:14:46

#21

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6919|Global Command

You guys can go fuck yourselfs.

This thread was not about me you fucking cunts.

2010-07-14 08:19:24

#22

eskimo_sammyjoe: Did someone say tea?; +112|6625|S.A. Australia

Were you honestly looking for a messiah-nistic, all encompassing answer here? There isn't going to be something that you can rattle off to the people that feel crap to make them feel better. The tough will wade through it and survive on their own accord, the weak will whine and bitch and stew around, never moving forward. It's up to you to pick the strong and stick with them.

Serious Flex

2010-07-14 08:22:51

#23

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5649|foggy bottom

all those mad years of experience in life that he likes to harp about have only only helped in making him sound like a lost child in a big cold scary world

Tu Stultus Es

2010-07-14 08:23:03

#24

13rin: Member; +977|6869

I have no motivational word for the unemployed other than utilize those 99 weeks to find a job. Remove your pride and get any job, even if it means flipping burgers or mowing lawns.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2010-07-14 08:26:17

#25

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5649|foggy bottom

5 dollars says the OP gets deleted

Tu Stultus Es

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