The Digital Economy Bill (UK)

2010-07-19 17:52:12

#26

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

Winston_Churchill wrote:
FFLink wrote:
Ghetto, RS is brilliant.

Uzique doesn't use it, though, so you have to understand that because of this, it's slow, poorly populated without the right files, will decrease your IQ and give you AIDS.

You should know by now that that's how this stuff goes.

These things are just put in place to scare, as it said, more than do any good. I bet none of us here see any effects from this.
RS is poor... most of the content is scene content, which is inherently inferior to internal p2p content. Plus the time it takes to get there is usually quite awful as well. I can be watching most shows on my laptop within 10-15 minutes of airing. I've never seen one even make it to an RS site within an hour or two

btw would one of you lazy mods fix the title

Well I can guess you're a much more avid pirate-guy than me, then. If I want a TV episode to watch, it will always be there. I don't intend on watching it 10-15 minutes after airing.

You might not have seen my edit, but I added that it's brilliant for what it offers, as well as the fact that it doesn't log IPs: http://rapidshare.com/privacypolicy.html (first question under 'General')

I'm guessing ghetto isn't like you either, if he's getting on alright with it.

An RS account paired with a Download Manager is just so simple and effective for a "casual pirate", as I guess it's called.

2010-07-19 18:24:46

#27

Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6997|Toronto | Canada

FFLink wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
FFLink wrote:
Ghetto, RS is brilliant.

Uzique doesn't use it, though, so you have to understand that because of this, it's slow, poorly populated without the right files, will decrease your IQ and give you AIDS.

You should know by now that that's how this stuff goes.

These things are just put in place to scare, as it said, more than do any good. I bet none of us here see any effects from this.
RS is poor... most of the content is scene content, which is inherently inferior to internal p2p content. Plus the time it takes to get there is usually quite awful as well. I can be watching most shows on my laptop within 10-15 minutes of airing. I've never seen one even make it to an RS site within an hour or two

btw would one of you lazy mods fix the title
Well I can guess you're a much more avid pirate-guy than me, then. If I want a TV episode to watch, it will always be there. I don't intend on watching it 10-15 minutes after airing.

You might not have seen my edit, but I added that it's brilliant for what it offers, as well as the fact that it doesn't log IPs: http://rapidshare.com/privacypolicy.html (first question under 'General')

I'm guessing ghetto isn't like you either, if he's getting on alright with it.

An RS account paired with a Download Manager is just so simple and effective for a "casual pirate", as I guess it's called.

lol, ask Zimmer about this. Of course they record IPs, how else do you think they catch account sharers? He had his closed multiple times for it.

RS has made it clear they are on the side of the MPAA and RIAA, everyone should ditch them on that principle alone. Even if you did believe that article, how long do you think itll take for them to start recording IPs? They say it takes up too much space which is pure BS, its a few KBs of text compared to the PBs of data they deliver per day.

2010-07-19 20:16:21

#28

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

FFLink wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
FFLink wrote:
Ghetto, RS is brilliant.

Uzique doesn't use it, though, so you have to understand that because of this, it's slow, poorly populated without the right files, will decrease your IQ and give you AIDS.

You should know by now that that's how this stuff goes.

These things are just put in place to scare, as it said, more than do any good. I bet none of us here see any effects from this.
RS is poor... most of the content is scene content, which is inherently inferior to internal p2p content. Plus the time it takes to get there is usually quite awful as well. I can be watching most shows on my laptop within 10-15 minutes of airing. I've never seen one even make it to an RS site within an hour or two

btw would one of you lazy mods fix the title
Well I can guess you're a much more avid pirate-guy than me, then. If I want a TV episode to watch, it will always be there. I don't intend on watching it 10-15 minutes after airing.

You might not have seen my edit, but I added that it's brilliant for what it offers, as well as the fact that it doesn't log IPs: http://rapidshare.com/privacypolicy.html (first question under 'General')

I'm guessing ghetto isn't like you either, if he's getting on alright with it.

An RS account paired with a Download Manager is just so simple and effective for a "casual pirate", as I guess it's called.

right... so first you just make a lame-excuse to come into the thread and hop on my dick... yet again.

then end up admitting that RS isn't actually so-great for more than the 'casual pirate'.

brilliant example of self-defeat, there. try harder to find opportune moments to have a cheapshot

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2010-07-20 06:19:08

#29

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

Aww, bless.

Yeah, that's what I was doing

2010-07-20 08:06:22

#30

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

Uzique wrote:
FFLink wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:

RS is poor... most of the content is scene content, which is inherently inferior to internal p2p content. Plus the time it takes to get there is usually quite awful as well. I can be watching most shows on my laptop within 10-15 minutes of airing. I've never seen one even make it to an RS site within an hour or two

btw would one of you lazy mods fix the title
Well I can guess you're a much more avid pirate-guy than me, then. If I want a TV episode to watch, it will always be there. I don't intend on watching it 10-15 minutes after airing.

You might not have seen my edit, but I added that it's brilliant for what it offers, as well as the fact that it doesn't log IPs: http://rapidshare.com/privacypolicy.html (first question under 'General')

I'm guessing ghetto isn't like you either, if he's getting on alright with it.

An RS account paired with a Download Manager is just so simple and effective for a "casual pirate", as I guess it's called.
right... so first you just make a lame-excuse to come into the thread and hop on my dick... yet again.

then end up admitting that RS isn't actually so-great for more than the 'casual pirate'.

brilliant example of self-defeat, there. try harder to find opportune moments to have a cheapshot

Dude.

No one ever claimed that Rapidshare was the absolutely best, one-and-only way to pirate.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-07-20 08:11:40

#31

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

"dude".

i never asserted that somebody claimed that, either.

read?

"duuude"?

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2010-07-20 08:31:19

#32

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

Irony.

2010-07-20 08:32:20

#33

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

excuse me?

i only said RS was a poor source - churchill backed me up. i never said ghetto or you were claiming it to be the 'best' source of them all (as freezer claimed). so where on earth is the irony? do you even know what the word means? because judging from that post, it doesn't seem so.

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2010-07-20 08:44:42

#34

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

Uzique wrote:
"dude".

i never asserted that somebody claimed that, either.

read?

"duuude"?

You saying

then end up admitting that RS isn't actually so-great for more than the 'casual pirate'.

implies that somebody said that RS was great for anything but. If there's anything that has been said, it's that RS is great, for the casual pirate, who doesn't give-a-fuck as long as he gets to watch The Simpsons.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-07-20 08:45:09)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-07-20 11:54:23

#35

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

Uzique wrote:
excuse me?

i only said RS was a poor source - churchill backed me up. i never said ghetto or you were claiming it to be the 'best' source of them all (as freezer claimed). so where on earth is the irony? do you even know what the word means? because judging from that post, it doesn't seem so.

Telling people to read posts when you never seem to read select people's posts in a logical way, but in your own, special way.

2010-07-20 11:57:17

#36

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

erm no, straight-logic suits me just fine, thank you very much.

myself saying: "...end up admitting that RS isn't actually so-great for more than the 'casual pirate"

does not equal

(implying)- that somebody said that RS was great for anything but.

the straight logical implication of my statement is that RS is only great for the casual pirate; and that that, evidently, is all anyone has asserted.

i have never accused any of you of exalting RS to 'da best!' status - nor have any of my statements, logically, implied that.

stop arguing pointlessly over nothing

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2010-07-20 12:14:06

#37

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

You started this 'argument', as in most cases.

You refer to RS as a "12-year olds piracy" or some shit like that, as always, attempting to put down other users (For your own personal needs, I'm sure). That bundled with more crap about why you think it's bad (Again, gotta add, probably just because you don't use it). You caused an argument out of someone saying "I'm fine with RS". It's not 'trolling', it's just strange.

So all this 'pointless' arguing you cause, that you seem so easily to laugh at others for doing, is something that you yourself are involved in much more personally than anyone else, as of all these crazy excuses, reasons, insults, etc. you throw around at anyone who differs from you.

Strange, strange boy.

2010-07-20 12:15:47

#38

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6388|Carnoustie MASSIF

FFLink wrote:
That bundled with more crap about why you think it's bad (Again, gotta add, probably just because you don't use it).

Sounds like panzer lol

2010-07-20 12:18:51

#39

Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6997|Toronto | Canada

I think we all agreed that RS was inferior to private trackers and usenet already... so lets just quit the pointless bickering

Anyway, we should concentrate our efforts in hoping this law gets repealed, since its precedent could set worldwide consequences.

2010-07-20 12:22:48

#40

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

A friend told me that some UK ISPs have just said "no." to it.

Not sure if he's right. Think he said Talk Talk were one of them.

2010-07-20 12:23:54

#41

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6388|Carnoustie MASSIF

FFLink wrote:
A friend told me that some UK ISPs have just said "no." to it.

Not sure if he's right. Think he said Talk Talk were one of them.

Oh goody, that's who I'm with.

2010-07-20 12:29:42

#42

Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6997|Toronto | Canada

CammRobb wrote:
FFLink wrote:
A friend told me that some UK ISPs have just said "no." to it.

Not sure if he's right. Think he said Talk Talk were one of them.
Oh goody, that's who I'm with.

Winston_Churchill wrote:
I guess VPN, seedbox and dedicated server providers will get a lot of new customers.

Also, some British ISPs are fighting this.

http://torrentfreak.com/uk-isps-take-di … rt-100708/

...

2010-07-20 12:43:20

#43

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

Winston_Churchill wrote:
I think we all agreed that RS was inferior to private trackers and usenet already... so lets just quit the pointless bickering

Anyway, we should concentrate our efforts in hoping this law gets repealed, since its precedent could set worldwide consequences.

indeed. that's been my stance since the start... stick with RS if you want to get caught-out by this new legislation twice as fast, whilst also using an inferior source . private trackers and usenet will both be harder to police, more effort and less 'exposed' to warrants and ISP-investigations. hardly a 'pointless argument' within the context of this thread; i've been keeping my eye on this legislation for quite some time now, and after years of downloading i can safely say that im not going to stop any time soon. the only people that were buttfucked by the law before were the sort that were using mainstream-P2P clients and well-known file-sharing websites (e.g. rapidshare). the ISP's have their IP's on blacklists and the police, whilst pretty rubbish at investigating private-trackers, obviously know about the popular websites.

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2010-07-20 12:45:03

#44

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

We'll see.

2010-07-20 12:49:22

#45

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

well not really, none of us will 'see' anything. the law's application in this area is still very much in the 'make examples of!' phase so widespread accounts of people being actually done for it will be few-and-far-between, still. the ancillary point and sub-part of the argument was that people putting themselves at more risks on these 'crappy' sources are sucker-punching themselves two-fold: they're using more easily tracked/policed sources, and the stuff they're sticking their neck's out for is of a lower and more inferior download/file quality.

suit yourselves, though .

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2010-07-20 12:51:40

#46

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6949|Devon, England

You claim so much about these extra risks, yet where's your proof? So far, I've seen none.

Go.

2010-07-20 12:58:27

#47

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

err about 4 'cease and desist' letters from ISP's over the years for downloading pirate-content, 'suspicious' amounts of traffic/activity, and visiting websites that they have on 'blacklists', i.e. file-downloading websites widely known for hosting copyright-content? this started years ago, too... i was literally being asked to move on to another ISP/contract before bills and laws like this were even being drafted-up.

if you think you can go to a website like rapidshare and download an illegal file without there being any trace left behind, or any evidence that could be used against you in court... then you're fucking nuts. these file-sharing websites are so easy to get to, so well-known, and so easy to download from that you'd be hard-pressed to 'encrypt' and 'hide' your activity on them. that's why private trackers are far superior in that respect.

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2010-07-20 13:00:49

#48

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6839|SE London

Uzique wrote:
err about 4 'cease and desist' letters from ISP's over the years for downloading pirate-content, 'suspicious' amounts of traffic/activity, and visiting websites that they have on 'blacklists', i.e. file-downloading websites widely known for hosting copyright-content? this started years ago, too... i was literally being asked to move on to another ISP/contract before bills and laws like this were even being drafted-up.

if you think you can go to a website like rapidshare and download an illegal file without there being any trace left behind, or any evidence that could be used against you in court... then you're fucking nuts. these file-sharing websites are so easy to get to, so well-known, and so easy to download from that you'd be hard-pressed to 'encrypt' and 'hide' your activity on them. that's why private trackers are far superior in that respect.

If you think you can download any file without evidence being left behind, you're sorely mistaken.

2010-07-20 13:01:46

#49

Surgeons: U shud proabbly f off u fat prik; +3,097|6747|Gogledd Cymru

Does anyone know any illegal porn sharing rings I can get in on |_()|_

2010-07-20 13:03:25

#50

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

of course not... nobody is claiming that. what is it with people and all these logical fallacies? people really seem to take straight-forward, concrete logic and warp it to make some pretty fucking pointless-ass posts, don't they? the point is that it's more difficult and generally takes a lot more effort to 'catch-out' people using private-trackers, encrypted torrent pass-keys and whatnot. of course to any authority that actively wants to pursue/investigate a client/user, it will all be a matter of time and effort. my point is that it evidently doesn't help anybody trying to stay out of trouble to use the fucking most-obvious sources of illegal content. almost every single legal-case i have read about that has gone through to actual court-prosecution has been from somewhere like rapidshare, kazaa, limewire etc. P2P networks where it's literally a matter of pulling up a user's traffic history and connecting the dots.

being pedantic to make obvious-comments doesn't really change that very basic, simple fact.

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