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Uzique wrote:

erm no, straight-logic suits me just fine, thank you very much.

myself saying: "...end up admitting that RS isn't actually so-great for more than the 'casual pirate"

does not equal

(implying)- that somebody said that RS was great for anything but.

the straight logical implication of my statement is that RS is only great for the casual pirate; and that that, evidently, is all anyone has asserted.

i have never accused any of you of exalting RS to 'da best!' status - nor have any of my statements, logically, implied that.

stop arguing pointlessly over nothing

If that is what people have been saying all along, why would you say that it was only just admitted?

Perhaps to cover up your own pointless arguing. Wow, to hear that coming from you, heh.

Bertster7 wrote:

Uzique wrote:

err about 4 'cease and desist' letters from ISP's over the years for downloading pirate-content, 'suspicious' amounts of traffic/activity, and visiting websites that they have on 'blacklists', i.e. file-downloading websites widely known for hosting copyright-content? this started years ago, too... i was literally being asked to move on to another ISP/contract before bills and laws like this were even being drafted-up.

if you think you can go to a website like rapidshare and download an illegal file without there being any trace left behind, or any evidence that could be used against you in court... then you're fucking nuts. these file-sharing websites are so easy to get to, so well-known, and so easy to download from that you'd be hard-pressed to 'encrypt' and 'hide' your activity on them. that's why private trackers are far superior in that respect.

If you think you can download any file without evidence being left behind, you're sorely mistaken.

Its never a case of leaving no evidence behind, its not being the easiest to catch.  Kind of like not being the slowest person when you're being chased by a bear   They will go after the easiest prey

Considering to get me they would have to get into a private tracker, get onto a swarm I'm on, find my IP, get a subpeona to search the datacenter in France (would never happen, biggest torrent datacenter in the world and ours is insignificant compared to most), trace my IP back to Canada and get a warrant to search my computer since they wouldnt be able to know what I'm downloading from it and have all of that co-ordinate between multiple countries' police forces... not going to happen. 

Compare that to RS sending the police your IP after they see you've downloaded multiple copyrighted files. 

Whats more the more likely path for the police?

Uzique wrote:

i thought winston's patient and explanatory posts would have really silenced any debate on the matter tbh...

One would assume, eh

Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2010-07-20 13:14:52)

Uzique wrote:

i wonder if people will just as dilligently and asininely argue against your post as they do against mine...

after all, we're saying the exact same fucking thing

except im way smarter and much more eloquent.

Because RS just give out IPs without any repercussions

Don't be so stupid.

Just wondering, what exactly is the fine line in discussing about ways to pirate on these forums, as it is against rules. Yet is happening here.

Moderators care to drop a comment here?

Uzique wrote:

nobody is giving anyone instructions or hints on how to pirate...

we are talking about these as 'sources' in the vaguest and most general of ways, and not mentioning any terms or hinting upon anything that is illegal or secretive. openly discussing P2P, trackers, torrents, usenet etc. is not against the law, nor should it be against the forum rules. for fuck's sake the entire thread is about piracy legislation. how are you not expecting a discussion involving terms and methods of piracy? nobody is linking anyone or recommending anyone else to anything.

shall we discuss these terminologies in a coded-cipher, then? P2P can be 'ice' and torrents can be 'the fuzz' and usenet is now 'arpa'.

FFS I have not made the moderator ruling here. But in past it has made swift end to such activity here.

Did someone stick a cactus up your ass or why so stingy?

PS. And oh yes, with just this thread any casual fat arse would find his way to RS and download that Simpsons episode.

panzer... you seriously think someone wouldn't know how to use rapidshare to find the simpsons before reading this thread?

dude if you can navigate to 'forums.bf2s.com' then you can navigate to google and type 'simpsons download'.

the moderators would be insane to kill a perfectly-valid technical/legal discussion because of that.

We're talking about how easily something/someone is tracked, nothing illegal.  How do you know we're not talking about obtaining Linux distros?   Or freely available software/shows/movies?

Its certainly no more "illegal" than talking about drug abuse or underage drinking...

major torrent sites have been shut down before... OiNK was amazing... and things came out of its ashes.

I was referring more to getting fined. Uzi, you said you'd gotten four (I think) cease and desist notices in the past. Never any fines though?

no, never any fines. this was back before the ISP's were told to be internet-police.

it's never in the ISP's interests to start cooperating in fining their own customers... people migrate away... very quickly.

fflink 9/10 of every criminal case pushed for illegal file-sharing in the past has been because of P2P, not torrents...

Last edited by Uzique (2010-07-25 17:13:10)

Winston_Churchill wrote:

FFLink wrote:

No mention of any non-torrented piracy scandals, yet, I see.

Err, what?  On a site called torrentfreak? Not as much...

I wasn't referring to that site in particular, don't get too defensive

https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl= … tnG=Search
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl= … p;gs_rfai=

Can't think of many other search terms. Something about them being fined for having music on there 2 years ago, but nothing about users being hit.

You're welcome to prove me wrong, no one else has so far.