Ilocano
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/ … in_minutes

Frivolous lawsuit and RTFM comments aside, operating temperature range seems limited versus your conventional laptop, netbook, or smartphone.

Operating temperature: 32° to 95° F (0° to 35° C)
Nonoperating temperature: -4° to 113° F (-20° to 45° C)



Federal lawsuit claims Apple's iPad overheats in minutes

Computerworld - Apple was sued last week over claims that its iPad easily overheats, then suddenly switches itself off.

In a complaint filed with an Oakland, Calif. federal court last Friday, a trio of plaintiffs accused Apple of everything from fraud and deceptive advertising to violations of California's consumer protection and unfair business practices laws by making, marketing and selling allegedly defective tablets.

"The iPad does not live up to the reasonable consumer's expectations created by Apple insofar as the iPad overheats so quickly under common weather conditions that it does not function for prolonged use outdoors, or in many other warm conditions," the complaint read.

The three plaintiffs -- Jacob Balthazar, Claudia Keller and John Browning -- said that they were duped into buying a defective device by Apple's claim that "reading on iPad is just like reading a book."

That's not accurate, they alleged in their lawsuit, which also asked a federal judge to grant the case class-action status.

"Using the iPad is not 'just like reading a book' at all since books do not close when the reader is enjoying them in the sunlight or in other normal environmental conditions," the complaint stated. "This promise, like other portions of Apple's marketing material for the iPad, is false."

Apple CEO Steve Jobs introduced the iPad in January 2010 to much fanfare, and his company started shipping the tablet to consumers in early April. Last week, executives said that Apple had sold nearly 3.3 million iPads in the year's second quarter, generating almost $2.2 billion in revenues.

When he debuted the iPad, Jobs called the tablet "magical and revolutionary," and compared the device's e-reading capabilities to Amazon's Kindle.

According to the class complaint, the iPad unexpectedly shuts down in warm weather or when it's in direct sunlight.

"Nowhere ... does Apple mention that the iPad is virtually unusable when sitting in particular environmental conditions (e.g. in direct sunlight in connection with virtually any ambient air temperature) since it turns off, sometimes after just a few minutes of use," the lawsuit claimed.

The suit also took a shot at what the plaintiffs' said was Apple's typical way of doing business.

"Defendant has clearly established a policy of accepting a certain amount of collateral damage, as represented by the damages to the Representative Plaintiffs ... as incidental to its business operations, rather than accept the alternative costs of full compliance with fair, lawful and honest business practices," the lawsuit stated.

Reports of iPads overheating are not new. Within hours of its April 3 launch, users complained that the iPad shut down after being in the sun.

"After about 10 minutes in the sun, my iPad overheated!," said Elliot Kroo in an April 3 message on Twitter. Kroo also posted a screenshot of the ensuing warning that read, "iPad needs to cool down before you can use it."

iPad owners have also groused about overheating on Apple's support forum.

"I guess you are not suppose[d] to take it to the beach to read your iBook in the direct sunlight, looks like I will have to take my nook instead!" noted a user identified as "mickey3244" in a June 25 message when he reported his iPad shut down after 20 minutes in the sun.

Other users advised complainers to keep their iPads in the shade. "Of course the iPad will heat up if it's in direct sunlight for a period of time -- seems like common sense to me," commented "scullymulder" on a different thread. "Avoid keeping it in direct sunlight for prolonged periods of time and you'll be fine."

Balthazar, Keller and Browning have asked for compensatory and punitive damages, the amounts to be decided at trial.

Apple did not reply to a request for comment on the class-action lawsuit.
mikkel
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Operating temperature: 32° to 95° F (0° to 35° C)
Ouch, I couldn't even have used one outside in the shade today.
ghettoperson
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What a stupid lawsuit. And how the fuck could you read the thing in direct sunlight anyway?
GC_PaNzerFIN
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ghettoperson wrote:

What a stupid lawsuit. And how the fuck could you read the thing in direct sunlight anyway?
iPad, you can use it from your home sofa but not outside during hot day.

It was over 30c in my room today, very small margin to shutdowns... and I live in Finland which isn't exactly the hottest place in earth... Plus that would make it completely useless for over 1/3th of year as it gets cold here too...

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Ilocano
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

What a stupid lawsuit. And how the fuck could you read the thing in direct sunlight anyway?
iPad, you can use it from your home sofa but not outside during hot day.

It was over 30c in my room today, very small margin to shutdowns... and I live in Finland which isn't exactly the hottest place in earth... Plus that would make it completely useless for over 1/3th of year as it gets cold here too...
You let your room go below 0?
GC_PaNzerFIN
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Ilocano wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

What a stupid lawsuit. And how the fuck could you read the thing in direct sunlight anyway?
iPad, you can use it from your home sofa but not outside during hot day.

It was over 30c in my room today, very small margin to shutdowns... and I live in Finland which isn't exactly the hottest place in earth... Plus that would make it completely useless for over 1/3th of year as it gets cold here too...
You let your room go below 0?
Again, I would expect to be able to use my tech outside of my home occasionally. My phone has been just fine at -25c...
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ghettoperson
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But I imagine the battery life would disappear almost instantly.
cdailey2142
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Problems with the new IPhone now the IPad. Apple is getting slack. Glad I didn't buy one.
FFLink
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Doesn't seem like a lawsuit is required...
Uzique
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cdailey2142 wrote:

Problems with the new IPhone now the IPad. Apple is getting slack. Glad I didn't buy one.


suing somebody because you let their devices overheat is retarded... the lawsuit will fall flat... especially against corporate lawyers.

it's not the designer's responsibility to keep your device reasonably cool. do people sue intel when they let their processors catch fire?
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Finray
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Have a target audience of idiots with little-to-no technological expertise, you gonna get idiot lawsuits.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
GC_PaNzerFIN
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Uzique wrote:

cdailey2142 wrote:

Problems with the new IPhone now the IPad. Apple is getting slack. Glad I didn't buy one.


suing somebody because you let their devices overheat is retarded... the lawsuit will fall flat... especially against corporate lawyers.

it's not the designer's responsibility to keep your device reasonably cool. do people sue intel when they let their processors catch fire?
Their operating temperature is from -130c to +90c, I don't think there is a livable place on the face of earth that would be not good for Intel's processors.

So your argument kinda fell short there...
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Finray
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They stop working below -130c? Isn't LN2 like -190?
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
GC_PaNzerFIN
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Finray wrote:

They stop working below -130c? Isn't LN2 like -190?
Intels usually have cold bug, you can't just pour it full of LN2...

Latest AMD's can even work past -200c as they don't have cold bug.

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Uzique
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Finray wrote:

Have a target audience of idiots with little-to-no technological expertise, you gonna get idiot lawsuits.
erm, news-flash dumbass, it was a computer retailer that filed the lawsuit...

not an apple-fanboy, apple-buyer or apple-consumer. so leave your shitty apple-fanbase generalisations at the door...
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Uzique
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Uzique wrote:

cdailey2142 wrote:

Problems with the new IPhone now the IPad. Apple is getting slack. Glad I didn't buy one.


suing somebody because you let their devices overheat is retarded... the lawsuit will fall flat... especially against corporate lawyers.

it's not the designer's responsibility to keep your device reasonably cool. do people sue intel when they let their processors catch fire?
Their operating temperature is from -130c to +90c, I don't think there is a livable place on the face of earth that would be not good for Intel's processors.

So your argument kinda fell short there...
of course it was a reductio ad absurdum argument to highlight the logical weakness of their argument...

legally, they would have to PROVE that there is an instrinsic DESIGN FLAW in the ipad that causes EVERY UNIT to overheat.

this design-flaw does not exist, in short. that or this small-time computer retailer has just discovered a gaping problem in the iPad that everybody else has, apparently, not noticed for the last 3 months... i guess everybody else just attributed their iPad's spontaneous combustion to some other fault or problem.
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Ilocano
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But there case is against Apple's claims that you could use your iPad anywhere you could use a book.  Summers day, out at the beach, noon time, sun on the iPad. 

I agree it's a frivolous law suit, but most buyers of consumer goods don't ever consider operating temperatures when purchasing.  Many rely on the marketing to convince them.  And in this case, Apple advertises it as an anywhere use product.
Uzique
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apple are just going to rely upon two legal buzzword-concepts: reasonability and foreseeability.

is it 'reasonable' to read an ebook in the sahara on a device made of metal? probably not.
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Winston_Churchill
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Uzique wrote:

apple are just going to rely upon two legal buzzword-concepts: reasonability and foreseeability.

is it 'reasonable' to read an ebook in the sahara on a device made of metal? probably not.
it is reasonable to read a book outside in the sun though... i was reading books on the beach in 40C+ weather just last week.
Uzique
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well then use a book...

are the courts more likely to say that, or are they going to say 'yes, indeed, this device is instrinsically, fatally flawed, please pay out massive pecuniary damages'.

it's a shit lawsuit.

my sony vaio laptop is meant to be a portable computer... portable. i took it on holiday with me to equatorial guinea to write a report on wildlife there and it stopped working one day in the 100% humidity
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mikkel
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Uzique wrote:

apple are just going to rely upon two legal buzzword-concepts: reasonability and foreseeability.

is it 'reasonable' to read an ebook in the sahara on a device made of metal? probably not.
Well, is it reasonable to read an ebook on your porch in the shade? Where I am, it's been 95° F+ around noon for most of the month. Hell, Atlanta is forecast for 97° F for the next four days. That certainly isn't anywhere near the Sahara.
Uzique
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im pretty sure it's direct exposure to sunlight/heat that would cause overheating of the device, not ambient temperature.
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mikkel
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Uzique wrote:

im pretty sure it's direct exposure to sunlight/heat that would cause overheating of the device, not ambient temperature.
I can see their point, though. After the liquid contact sensor deal with the iPhone making Apple refuse warranty repairs (If I recall that whole thing correctly), I wouldn't trust Apple to lift a finger to honor warranty if a product of theirs showed signs symptomatic of overheating when used in an environment a few degrees outside of the maximum operating temperature. I wouldn't really trust any company to do that.

Last edited by mikkel (2010-07-29 11:16:17)

ghettoperson
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Uzique wrote:

im pretty sure it's direct exposure to sunlight/heat that would cause overheating of the device, not ambient temperature.
This. I'm quite sure you can happily use it in the shade up to any temperature a human would want to be outside in, but yes, if you leave it upside down in the direct sunlight when it's 35C outside and it's obviously going to get fucking cooked. Just like you can cook eggs on a car hood that's been left in the sun for ages.
Winston_Churchill
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Uzique wrote:

well then use a book...

are the courts more likely to say that, or are they going to say 'yes, indeed, this device is instrinsically, fatally flawed, please pay out massive pecuniary damages'.

it's a shit lawsuit.

my sony vaio laptop is meant to be a portable computer... portable. i took it on holiday with me to equatorial guinea to write a report on wildlife there and it stopped working one day in the 100% humidity
im not saying its not a dumb lawsuit, just that its not a book replacement.  its more a flaw of people and society taking claims to their literal extremes thats silly.  like there was a huge deal a while back where cell phone providers sued each other for having 'canada's most reliable network', 'canada's best network', 'canada's fastest network', etc.  it just came down to none of them could use any of those sayings... yet the guy at the corner store can say 'world's best pizza'.

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