Same thing in the Army. Only they get a piece of colored ribbon for it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats a stretch, we have no idea what he was thinking.With an out-of-control Chevy Blazer bearing down on him, the 33-year old North Vancouver man braked and swerved his Subaru wagon so that he would take the force of the head-on collision
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I don't agree with that, they put themselves in harms way in the first place and their colleagues can usually provide a reoprt of what happened.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Same thing in the Army. Only they get a piece of colored ribbon for it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats a stretch, we have no idea what he was thinking.With an out-of-control Chevy Blazer bearing down on him, the 33-year old North Vancouver man braked and swerved his Subaru wagon so that he would take the force of the head-on collision
Swerving your car =/= charging a machine gun nest.
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I wasn't too sure about this either. I don't think he actually had time to realize and decide to put himself at risk, he might of just been trying to avoid it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats a stretch, we have no idea what he was thinking.With an out-of-control Chevy Blazer bearing down on him, the 33-year old North Vancouver man braked and swerved his Subaru wagon so that he would take the force of the head-on collision
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DOn't even try to blame this on drugsDilbert_X wrote:
Nice.Washington State Patrol found evidence of drug use at the accident scene in the SUV. All of the occupants are well know to police.
A Chevy Blazer, with four occupants, crossed the centre line when the driver tried to take her sweater off while driving
This is why you don't let women drive unless they actually are intelligent and safe drivers.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Throw the book at the SUVs drivers, people need to know that doing stupid shit like this is unacceptable.
you can't deny the (reasonable) assumption that she was only doing such an incredible reckless/stupid act though cause of her mental state. i'm not go ahead and say "from this anecdotal evidence, all drugs are bad MMKAY!", cause that's stupid... but stupid to deny that possibility, too. i know what you mean, though... dilbert would be batshit insane to twist some "see! drugs are fucking stupid!" out of this one unfortunate example; it's not a great stretch of the counter-argumentative imagination to cite some drink-driving fatality statistics. legal drugs are way more fucked up when mixed with driving.Wreckognize wrote:
DOn't even try to blame this on drugsDilbert_X wrote:
Nice.Washington State Patrol found evidence of drug use at the accident scene in the SUV. All of the occupants are well know to police.A Chevy Blazer, with four occupants, crossed the centre line when the driver tried to take her sweater off while driving
also... i kinda agree with the "not a hero" sentiment. it sounded like a spontaneous decision, not some virtuous and entirely-conscious decision to sacrifice his own life. he could have just been reacting in the split second and doing something instinctive/automatic. there's nothing to say that he had a carefully 'heroic' thought process. regardless, a fucking sad story and, i assume, a waste of a good man's life. rip.
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What ever the case, he died because of 2 stupid girls, and his decision to swerve, whether it be intentionally heroic or pure reflex, saved his wife and child, let him have the hero title, he did have to trade his life for it.
nah im gonna picket his funeral. jesus is the only hero.
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why, it took him three days to respawn . . .Uzique wrote:
nah im gonna picket his funeral. jesus is the only hero.
If that is the case, then it's even more appropriate to call him a hero for what he did...sacrificing himself for his family without even thinking about it.Uzique wrote:
he could have just been reacting in the split second and doing something instinctive/automatic.
I wouldn't call him a hero, though.
I'd just call him a Dad.
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Your point? Crashing into a concrete wall in a Humvee =/= charging a machine gun nest. I respect volunteer military for bravery in joining up, but it doesn't diminish everyone else's sacrifices in my eyes.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't agree with that, they put themselves in harms way in the first place and their colleagues can usually provide a reoprt of what happened.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Same thing in the Army. Only they get a piece of colored ribbon for it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats a stretch, we have no idea what he was thinking.
Swerving your car =/= charging a machine gun nest.
edit: thread title fixed. was driving me nuts
And again. Even if it wasn't intended, that's the way it happened and that's how he'll be remembered. Same thing happens in the military.Finray wrote:
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life
I'd say he fits the description quite well.
We can't know for sure either way in this case, but drugs/alcohol are disproportionately involved in injury accidents.Uzique wrote:
you can't deny the (reasonable) assumption that she was only doing such an incredible reckless/stupid act though cause of her mental state..Wreckognize wrote:
DOn't even try to blame this on drugsDilbert_X wrote:
Nice.A Chevy Blazer, with four occupants, crossed the centre line when the driver tried to take her sweater off while driving
Personally if a vehicle is going to hit me head on the last thing I'd do is swerve to get hit in the side. Passenger cars are designed for head on impacts, the crumple zones, restraint systems, seats, airbags etc etc.
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That's you thinking logically.
Instinct is different. You would have instinct to try and avoid the danger, unless you had trained yourself to take it head on.
Normally you might have a tendency to swerve one way, because it's out of the line of the other lane of traffic, or you might swerve the other way because instinctively it's putting you further from the danger.
If he didn't often drive with his wife in the same car, instinct means he probably wouldn't put himself in harms way.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that's what makes someone a hero, I guess.
Instinct is different. You would have instinct to try and avoid the danger, unless you had trained yourself to take it head on.
Normally you might have a tendency to swerve one way, because it's out of the line of the other lane of traffic, or you might swerve the other way because instinctively it's putting you further from the danger.
If he didn't often drive with his wife in the same car, instinct means he probably wouldn't put himself in harms way.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that's what makes someone a hero, I guess.

And the human body is much more tolerant of front/back traumatic acceleration or deceleration.Dilbert_X wrote:
Personally if a vehicle is going to hit me head on the last thing I'd do is swerve to get hit in the side. Passenger cars are designed for head on impacts, the crumple zones, restraint systems, seats, airbags etc etc.
Side impact g-forces tend to do nasty things to the brain and heart, at much lower g-force loadings than front/rear impacts.
Y'know, little things like detaching the heart from arteries and veins, leading to fairly rapid internal bleeding...
She was stoned stupid, or just naturally brick stupid. Or both. I'm guessing both.Uzique wrote:
you can't deny the (reasonable) assumption that she was only doing such an incredible reckless/stupid act though cause of her mental state..
Responsible drug use would entail not driving when one is too impaired to drive properly, and to know where that point is.
Getting undressed while driving, you're either too stoned to be driving (see above), or naturally stupid (and the other 3 people in the car should've known not to let your 'tard ass drive them around).
I've had to help attend to two fatal wrecks where, for whatever reason, the driver of an SUV went stupid behind the wheel and swerved head-on into oncoming traffic. Both of those cases, the people that died did not include the at-fault driver.
Depends on the person, really.PrivateVendetta wrote:
That's you thinking logically.
Instinct is different. You would have instinct to try and avoid the danger, unless you had trained yourself to take it head on.
Normally you might have a tendency to swerve one way, because it's out of the line of the other lane of traffic, or you might swerve the other way because instinctively it's putting you further from the danger.
If he didn't often drive with his wife in the same car, instinct means he probably wouldn't put himself in harms way.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that's what makes someone a hero, I guess.
I've been in a handful of situations where I've had (literally) about a second to think my way out of a potentially fatal spot, where the instinctive reaction would've been fatal and the 'one second plan' was good enough to live through.
Nothing heroic or special - plenty of people are like that.
And, sometimes the 'one second plan' doesn't work.
The OP.. kinda sounds like his 'one second plan' didn't work as intended.
But, hey.. he got his wife and unborn kid through it, so.. there's that.
Can divide the brain in two as well.rdx-fx wrote:
And the human body is much more tolerant of front/back traumatic acceleration or deceleration.
Side impact g-forces tend to do nasty things to the brain and heart, at much lower g-force loadings than front/rear impacts.
Y'know, little things like detaching the heart from arteries and veins, leading to fairly rapid internal bleeding...
Shh, drugs make you smarter, and all the smart kids take drugs, so they're double smart.rdx-fx wrote:
She was stoned stupid, or just naturally brick stupid. Or both. I'm guessing both.
My only 'one second plan' is to hit the brakes and hold the steering wheel where it is.
Swerving at speed is as likely to get you into more trouble than not.
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That's fucking tragic, I hate to read a story like that. A noble sacrifice indeed and a terrible shame that it had to happen.
This kind of thing shouldn't be over-analysed. Whatever hapened happened. A kid will now grow up without a dad and a dad will never get to meet their kid. That's all that realy matters.
Oh, and of course the people who caused it getting the book and a bunch of other things thrown at them. That matters too.
This kind of thing shouldn't be over-analysed. Whatever hapened happened. A kid will now grow up without a dad and a dad will never get to meet their kid. That's all that realy matters.
Oh, and of course the people who caused it getting the book and a bunch of other things thrown at them. That matters too.
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inb4 kid's college application essay about how he learned about his dad by playing video games.Ty wrote:
That's fucking tragic, I hate to read a story like that. A noble sacrifice indeed and a terrible shame that it had to happen.
This kind of thing shouldn't be over-analysed. Whatever hapened happened. A kid will now grow up without a dad and a dad will never get to meet their kid. That's all that realy matters.
Oh, and of course the people who caused it getting the book and a bunch of other things thrown at them. That matters too.
It's quite ironic though...
I like found out about this right after giving 2 copies of CoH away for free on steam (I had $2.58 on a visa gift card that I was not going to use, and 2.51 on another, :3)
I like found out about this right after giving 2 copies of CoH away for free on steam (I had $2.58 on a visa gift card that I was not going to use, and 2.51 on another, :3)
I've been meaning to open my copy of CoH and actually install it.. I might do it now

RIP that man. Always seems to be the innocent parties that suffer out of these accidents
I highly doubt he had the time to make a conscious decision to swerve in a way that would spare his wife. my feeling is that he made a quick swerve to avoid out of instinct. to say he had the time to do it in a way to save his wife is pretty far fetched. but if it makes her feel better then so be it.
most men would instinctively protect their loved ones. built in instinct as well tbh. but yeah he probably tried to avoid collision and got hit.Christbane wrote:
I highly doubt he had the time to make a conscious decision to swerve in a way that would spare his wife. my feeling is that he made a quick swerve to avoid out of instinct. to say he had the time to do it in a way to save his wife is pretty far fetched. but if it makes her feel better then so be it.
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