I've never completely written off religion, I criticise it alot. But I'd never call myself an atheist, for me that's a big step to take.
Poll
Who attends church regularly? Or tries to.
| i do | 10% | 10% - 14 | ||||
| i dont, but im christian | 29% | 29% - 40 | ||||
| i dont, im not christian | 60% | 60% - 83 | ||||
| Total: 137 | ||||||
nah tucker you're just holding onto "memories of religion as a child"
mek do you even THINK through what you're saying? a child has a concept of religious belief or conviction? you really think that even 1/2 the people that have marriages in a church had ANY religious content in their childhood, period? the suggestion that people still get married in church because of some religious link from their past implies that those people have even been religious at any point at ALL. 99% of people haven't. i suggest you go back and read through my posts very carefully, turn off your own inner-speakbox that continuously talks to yourself over and over... and learn a lesson.
... oh for fuck's sake. /removeignore for RTHKI. /ignore mekstizzle.
mek do you even THINK through what you're saying? a child has a concept of religious belief or conviction? you really think that even 1/2 the people that have marriages in a church had ANY religious content in their childhood, period? the suggestion that people still get married in church because of some religious link from their past implies that those people have even been religious at any point at ALL. 99% of people haven't. i suggest you go back and read through my posts very carefully, turn off your own inner-speakbox that continuously talks to yourself over and over... and learn a lesson.
... oh for fuck's sake. /removeignore for RTHKI. /ignore mekstizzle.
Mek wrote:
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Last edited by Uzique (2010-09-09 11:48:22)
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Firstly celebrating christmas is not selectively picking and choosing what you like about a religion and not fully following up on one's beliefs. This too, has become a tradition disconnected from any religious pretext. This is simply a fact and not really a point on which you can 'differ in opinion'. The whole concept of giving presents to your children was never really part of the 'true' christian christmas celebration to begin with, this has been added with the commercialisation of this period - and that is all that it actually means to people these days. "Christmas" has been formed from it's original meaning as the celebration of the birth of Jezus Christ into a holiday in which parents have to empty their wallets and children receive gifts.Mekstizzle wrote:
It can depend on how you see it. I'll always see it as rather hypocritical of someone to be like that. There are others who think like that too, hence the refusal to conduct a Church 'n Priest style ceremony and go for something different. It's just a matter of opinion, then.
It's been disconnected for those who wish to see it as disconnected. Because they're too lazy to try and actually follow up on their beliefs, or they still hold the good childlike bits of their former religion in their minds. I guess that's why people love Christmas so much, and pretty Christian weddings instead of just a registry office.
For those who beleive in it, I'm sure a Western style marriage in a Church is still a wholly Christian ceremony.
I believe that Christmas had actually been integrated into Christianity in order to ease the process of conversion in Europe as the religion was spreading. It had been taken over from native European tradition or religious practice if I'm not mistaken.
Secondly, while you could disagree with the practice of the tradition you can't logically view it as hypocritical for non-christians to practice a christian style wedding for reasons already listed in posts above this one. It is not a matter of being 'disconnected for those who wish to see it as disconnected' - it simply has been (largely) disconnected. That so many non-christians practice this tradition is proof of that fact.
Last edited by dayarath (2010-09-09 11:51:13)
inane little opines
I like Christmas because of the family get-together with a nice meal aspect. It's never been about anything religious for me.
This is pretty much it.Uzique wrote:
because of some religious link from their past implies that those people have even been religious at any point at ALL. 99% of people haven't.
carefully adding well-reasoned posts will not do anything to mek... the guy talks to himself on the forums... nothing exists in the world and nothing in the world can possibly be any other way than the way he sees it. this is how socially challenged people view the world: solipsistically. they cannot relate to any other positions, nor can they contemplate any other hypothetical reality.dayarath wrote:
Firstly celebrating christmas is not selectively picking and choosing what you like about a religion and not fully following up on one's beliefs. This too, has become a tradition disconnected from any religious pretext. This is simply a fact and not really a point on which you can 'differ in opinion'. The whole concept of giving presents to your children was never really part of the 'true' christian christmas celebration to begin with, this has been added with the commercialisation of this period - and that is all that it actually means to people these days. "Christmas" has been formed from it's original meaning as the celebration of the birth of Jezus Christ into a holiday in which parents have to empty their wallets and children receive gifts.Mekstizzle wrote:
It can depend on how you see it. I'll always see it as rather hypocritical of someone to be like that. There are others who think like that too, hence the refusal to conduct a Church 'n Priest style ceremony and go for something different. It's just a matter of opinion, then.
It's been disconnected for those who wish to see it as disconnected. Because they're too lazy to try and actually follow up on their beliefs, or they still hold the good childlike bits of their former religion in their minds. I guess that's why people love Christmas so much, and pretty Christian weddings instead of just a registry office.
For those who beleive in it, I'm sure a Western style marriage in a Church is still a wholly Christian ceremony.
I believe that Christmas had actually been integrated into Christianity in order to ease the process of conversion in Europe as the religion was spreading. It had been taken over from native European tradition or religious practice if I'm not mistaken.
Secondly, while you could disagree with the practice of the tradition you can't logically view it as hypocritical for non-christians to practice a christian style wedding for reasons already listed in posts above this one. It is not a matter of being 'disconnected for those who wish to see it as disconnected' - it simply has been (largely) disconnected. That so many non-christians practice this tradition is proof of that fact.
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I believe that would sum up a vast majority of the general populace though.Uzique wrote:
this is how socially challenged people view the world: solipsistically. they cannot relate to any other positions, nor can they contemplate any other hypothetical reality.
Nevertheless, there's no harm in trying.
inane little opines
yeah but mek will literally blank-ignore any appeals you have to his massively faulty 'reason'.
he's like a little child... he'll ignore your well-formulated post and then just follow up his last one with more conjecture-bullshit.
he's an absolute one-trick pony in the debate department.
he's like a little child... he'll ignore your well-formulated post and then just follow up his last one with more conjecture-bullshit.
he's an absolute one-trick pony in the debate department.
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All I'm saying is, there's plenty of alternatives out there for those who really don't want to get involved in religion. Now I'll admit that I never thought of it in the sense that, people can simply not think about the religious meaning behind it all (or beleive that there is none in the first place) when they go to a Church and have a Priest conduct the ceremony and such, that thought never crossed my mind. But that is one way of dealing with it, I suppose.
It really depends on how strong your beliefs are regarding religion. There's differenced between being religious, not really caring and being specifically non-religious and atheist. This is why my original question was still asking those who specifically dislike religion and consider themselves Athiests and all that. Someone who just does things like getting married in a Church for the sake of tradition is usually not someone who's got strong anti religious beliefs.
I dunno where you got this talking to myself shit from anyway, most of the time someone responds which is the whole idea. Even if I'm not saying "SOMEONE RESPOND EMAIL UR REPLAY ASAP" at the end of all my posts.
It really depends on how strong your beliefs are regarding religion. There's differenced between being religious, not really caring and being specifically non-religious and atheist. This is why my original question was still asking those who specifically dislike religion and consider themselves Athiests and all that. Someone who just does things like getting married in a Church for the sake of tradition is usually not someone who's got strong anti religious beliefs.
I dunno where you got this talking to myself shit from anyway, most of the time someone responds which is the whole idea. Even if I'm not saying "SOMEONE RESPOND EMAIL UR REPLAY ASAP" at the end of all my posts.
but you're using the term 'atheist' as a complete misnomer-- you're basing your impression of the average atheist on a crazed richard dawkins documentary or something. your view of atheists seems to be that they will be so strongly opposed to churches and religious symbolism/imagery that they will be repulsed by the idea of having a marriage there. not so. to be 'atheist' simply means to not have any theistic beliefs or subscriptions. you can be pretty blase and indifferent about the church-ceremony and still be categorized as an 'atheist'. not all atheists are doing drive-by's on your local baptist church, throwing projectile Hitchens hard-backs and screaming "DARWINISM EMPIRICALLY REPUDIATES ALL NOTIONS OF A GOD OR CREATOR!!!!!"
your view of 'regular' society and the 'average' person seems to be ridiculously warped.
your view of 'regular' society and the 'average' person seems to be ridiculously warped.
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Uzique wrote:
never and i refuse to
Indeed. The idea of some day being married in a church (not that I have any real intention at this point of my life to do either) is a bit like theatre to me, except some people believe the characters are real.Uzique wrote:
but you're using the term 'atheist' as a complete misnomer-- you're basing your impression of the average atheist on a crazed richard dawkins documentary or something. your view of atheists seems to be that they will be so strongly opposed to churches and religious symbolism/imagery that they will be repulsed by the idea of having a marriage there. not so. to be 'atheist' simply means to not have any theistic beliefs or subscriptions. you can be pretty blase and indifferent about the church-ceremony and still be categorized as an 'atheist'. not all atheists are doing drive-by's on your local baptist church, throwing projectile Hitchens hard-backs and screaming "DARWINISM EMPIRICALLY REPUDIATES ALL NOTIONS OF A GOD OR CREATOR!!!!!"
your view of 'regular' society and the 'average' person seems to be ridiculously warped.
When I have to go ( some event for my kids school ) I put a book inside a Hymnal.
When I am there my son usually draws cartoons of the apostles fighting or something with Jesus saying things like
" that's enough smart mouth out of You ! " and I have to run out of the Church disguising my laughter as a coughing fit.
They don't like me much.
When I am there my son usually draws cartoons of the apostles fighting or something with Jesus saying things like
" that's enough smart mouth out of You ! " and I have to run out of the Church disguising my laughter as a coughing fit.
They don't like me much.
Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2010-09-09 15:04:21)
I am non-practicing. I refuse in what I was taught....let the sheep go to church. If there is a God, I will find him on me own and on my own terms.
no
i dont get theists, why use the god excuse for all the mysteries of life and existence, not knowing/understanding things isnt scary it is exiting.
and tbh i dont even know a active church in this city
i dont get theists, why use the god excuse for all the mysteries of life and existence, not knowing/understanding things isnt scary it is exiting.
and tbh i dont even know a active church in this city
um, I go to church because I want to.Uzique wrote:
haibai you're saying little polish kids would strut along to catholic mass and 'find their faith' if their parents didn't push them?
get real, dude. religion's main weapon against human advancement is family-kept rites of ignorance.
also, this may come as a shock, but I know plenty of kids who discovered their faith on their own. its also why I don't argue religion with atheists because theyre all ignorant and don't understand it. and when I say that I mean theyre ignorant of the feeling that a kid would kid get if he found his faith on his own.
you'll just argue "oh I'm strong enough to face life on my own I don't need an imaginary man in thr clouds helping me", like you've already done in this thread. don't argue about something you know nothing about please.
err i went to an anglican school for the first 12 years of my life and was raised in a family espousing those general views.
i know about christianity to know that i dont want a part of it.
i simply do not believe that "most" kids would simply 'find' religion if NOBODY in their family (or schools, for that matter) introduced them.
instead children are introduced to the concept when they are very impressionable and lacking any critical faculty... and it sticks.
i know about christianity to know that i dont want a part of it.
i simply do not believe that "most" kids would simply 'find' religion if NOBODY in their family (or schools, for that matter) introduced them.
instead children are introduced to the concept when they are very impressionable and lacking any critical faculty... and it sticks.
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wow. this thread
I believe, but i dont really follow. I don't attend church anymore, i used to go to youth group when i was younger.
I've always gone by this;
I believe, but i dont really follow. I don't attend church anymore, i used to go to youth group when i was younger.
I've always gone by this;
The last sentence there sometimes sparks some heat about wars, so:In the end of the day, it doesnt matter. You're living, and you're gonna die. You believe death is nothing and that is your choice. Christians believe we either go to hell or heaven, and it's how you live your life that matters. Evolution, Creation, whatever, it doesnt matter. This is your time. Your life. Your Decisions. Your Outcome. It's what you choose to do with it all that really matters. For me and some others, god/jesus is what we consider a role model. A way we should live life as to ensure happiness in yourself and the ones around you
I never push anyone to religion, because, especially in the western world, you def. know what it is, and it's really your life and your decisions.CHRISTIANITY at its CORE is not dangerous. It is corrupt individuals... or in otherwords, mankind, that has turned it into something that it is not.
If you take history out of it, if you take sinister behaviors of mankind out of it, and look at the bible at it's core, you'll see that it is not dangerous at all. Do i want to go kill someone? no. why? cause it's a horrible thing to do.
Anyone that wishes to do so is corrupt mentally. It's when these corrupt individuals then tag themselves as a particular religion is when people like you misunderstand the bottom concept of what it is all about.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
fucking mormons on bikes here.
Haha ... you try throwing the hypocrite card eh?Mekstizzle wrote:
All you guys who say they don't go to Church at all or are not Christian, what about when you get married (or if you already have), was it in a Church with a priest?
I don't like it when I see all these non-Christian atheist new age peeps getting married in churches with all the 'I do' bullshit because its all traditional and thats how they see weddings as.
Actually I see your point but I don't care enough what other people do, on my own account I'm married but not in a church ... I believe in a God or "force" or what ever you may call it but I don't believe in any religion trying to portray the words of said God as the one and only truth ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
heck no
you can also use it to fuck people
Oh please do give an example Dauntless.
"Raise the flag high! Let the degenerates know who comes to claim their lives this day!"
You also make major mistakes if you let your penis do the thinking.
Fuck Israel