No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
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Euthanasia - Make it legal everywhere?
| Yes | 60% | 60% - 23 | ||||
| No | 23% | 23% - 9 | ||||
| Not sure | 15% | 15% - 6 | ||||
| Total: 38 | ||||||
if the question is directed at me - i've no idea. that's kinda the point.Dilbert_X wrote:
So who decides for a senile person?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
Fuck Israel
No, the will specifies in what condition they must be in for that decision to be made. eg if they are bedridden, unable to conduct normal activities and brain scans show significantly decreased mental capacity.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
I'm just offering options here i'm not saying this is the way it must be done.
Non issue, the family and the doctors already decide when to turn off the machine so the principle is basically the same.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
Yes. Put it in writing and the family must respect your wish. I don't see the problem.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No, the will specifies in what condition they must be in for that decision to be made. eg if they are bedridden, unable to conduct normal activities and brain scans show significantly decreased mental capacity.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
I'm just offering options here i'm not saying this is the way it must be done.
reminds me of an episode of south parkTicia wrote:
Non issue, the family and the doctors already decide when to turn off the machine so the principle is basically the same.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?Yes. Put it in writing and the family must respect your wish. I don't see the problem.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No, the will specifies in what condition they must be in for that decision to be made. eg if they are bedridden, unable to conduct normal activities and brain scans show significantly decreased mental capacity.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
I'm just offering options here i'm not saying this is the way it must be done.
No need to be angry, i just missed your post.Macbeth wrote:
I haven't really made up my mind on the mentally ill aspect of it. I figure since some mental illnesses are hard to treat/impossible to cure and causes significant amounts of suffering a person should be allowed end their lives if they are suffering from one.Ticia wrote:
I would say if someone is mentally ill or mentally incompetent they're not able to give their full informed consent so imo no. But that's a good question.Macbeth wrote:
I'm in support of it.
Question: should the mentally ill be allowed to seek euthanasia?I'm afraid that joke has been used about abortion too many times to still be funny:pUzique wrote:
bf2s is, if anything, an advertisement for why euthanasia should be a global-wide service to humanity
I mean, people living with BPD or chronic bipolar syndrome are really suffering terrible lives. Why shouldn't they be allowed to end this suffering?
Though I can see how someone with bipolar disorder would have trouble making an informed decision...
My only problem with it is they'd be declared incapable of a conscious decision so it would open a can of worms.
I believe if and when euthanasia is common practice we all will be asked to put in writing our final wishes when we're in full mental capacity so there will be no doubts but obviously it must be open to change if when the time comes we think differently,
Last edited by Ticia (2010-09-16 16:08:37)
My position on Euthanasia: You first.
wat? afaik, they only get to decide when to turn it off if the patient is brain dead. does "senile" equal "brain dead" already?Ticia wrote:
Non issue, the family and the doctors already decide when to turn off the machine so the principle is basically the same.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
No euthanasia for a senile person unless it has been put into their will for their next of kin to act on?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The principle, kid.Shahter wrote:
wat? afaik, they only get to decide when to turn it off if the patient is brain dead. does "senile" equal "brain dead" already?Ticia wrote:
Non issue, the family and the doctors already decide when to turn off the machine so the principle is basically the same.Dilbert_X wrote:
So their next of kin decide?
About when they start getting the care home bills?
the "principle"? orly? the principle is in the fact that nobody knows were to draw that line between a person who actually can decide for him/herself and completely senile dude who can't. the principle is in the fact that no medical professional in his right mind whatsoever is going to brand a patient worthy of being killed put out of his misery, unless that patient is brain dead. that is the principle, girlie. the mere fact that there are certain circomstances under which sometimes ones relatives get to decide when to switch it off doesn't mean a thing.Ticia wrote:
The principle, kid.Shahter wrote:
wat? afaik, they only get to decide when to turn it off if the patient is brain dead. does "senile" equal "brain dead" already?Ticia wrote:
Non issue, the family and the doctors already decide when to turn off the machine so the principle is basically the same.
Last edited by Shahter (2010-09-18 07:07:36)
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The obvious answer is that the state should decide when a person should die, amirite?Shahter wrote:
the "principle"? orly? the principle is in the fact that nobody knows were to draw that line between a person who actually can decide for him/herself and completely senile dude who can't. the principle is in the fact that no medical professional in his right mind whatsoever is going to brand a patient worthy of being killed put out of his misery, unless that patient is brain dead. that is the principle, girlie. the mere fact that there are certain circomstances under which sometimes ones relatives get to decide when to switch it off doesn't mean a thing.Ticia wrote:
The principle, kid.Shahter wrote:
wat? afaik, they only get to decide when to turn it off if the patient is brain dead. does "senile" equal "brain dead" already?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
If the state is paying to keep them alive then why not?
The projections for this state are that by 2050 the ENTIRE state budget will be consumed by aged care.
Compulsory extreme sports for the old I say.
The projections for this state are that by 2050 the ENTIRE state budget will be consumed by aged care.
Compulsory extreme sports for the old I say.
Fuck Israel
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p3317995JohnG@lt wrote:
The obvious answer is that the state should decide when a person should die, amirite?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Honestly, I have to agree.Dilbert_X wrote:
If the state is paying to keep them alive then why not?
The projections for this state are that by 2050 the ENTIRE state budget will be consumed by aged care.
Compulsory extreme sports for the old I say.
Doctors have been aiding the sick to die everyday, since forever. We can pretend it doesn't happen if it makes you feel bad but is the truth.Shahter wrote:
the "principle"? orly? the principle is in the fact that nobody knows were to draw that line between a person who actually can decide for him/herself and completely senile dude who can't. the principle is in the fact that no medical professional in his right mind whatsoever is going to brand a patient worthy of being killed put out of his misery, unless that patient is brain dead. that is the principle, girlie. the mere fact that there are certain circomstances under which sometimes ones relatives get to decide when to switch it off doesn't mean a thing.Ticia wrote:
The principle, kid.Shahter wrote:
wat? afaik, they only get to decide when to turn it off if the patient is brain dead. does "senile" equal "brain dead" already?
If like i mentioned before when in full mental capacity someone expresses their wish to die with dignity the family won't even decide a thing. Euthanasias first and foremost requirement is the person's wish.
Old age doesn't seem that appealing anyway, we'd be better off dead.Dilbert_X wrote:
If the state is paying to keep them alive then why not?
The projections for this state are that by 2050 the ENTIRE state budget will be consumed by aged care.
Compulsory extreme sports for the old I say.
you have no idea what you are talking about. human life to a medical professional - a normal one, not a psychopath or some of those homeopathy practitioners and other freaks - is alfa and omega. it's their holy grail if you wish - no doctor in his/her right mind would be willing to take responcibility for ending a life. sometimes they have to, yes, but those are always very spesial cases, there's no any "principal" in that to be drawing parallels and analogies with anything.Ticia wrote:
Doctors have been aiding the sick to die everyday, since forever. We can pretend it doesn't happen if it makes you feel bad but is the truth.Shahter wrote:
the "principle"? orly? the principle is in the fact that nobody knows were to draw that line between a person who actually can decide for him/herself and completely senile dude who can't. the principle is in the fact that no medical professional in his right mind whatsoever is going to brand a patient worthy of being killed put out of his misery, unless that patient is brain dead. that is the principle, girlie. the mere fact that there are certain circomstances under which sometimes ones relatives get to decide when to switch it off doesn't mean a thing.Ticia wrote:
The principle, kid.
go and talk to some of those doctors - listen to what they say and then come back and we'll discuss this further.
/sigh. it's been extencively discussed already - there's no way to define "full mental capacity".Ticia wrote:
If like i mentioned before when in full mental capacity someone expresses their wish to die with dignity the family won't even decide a thing. Euthanasias first and foremost requirement is the person's wish.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The process now is fine. You have to go through several interviews before they let you go through with it. The option is still open to everyone its just you have to travel to switzerland and its expensive.
Are you familiar with Dr. Kevorkian?Shahter wrote:
you have no idea what you are talking about. human life to a medical professional - a normal one, not a psychopath or some of those homeopathy practitioners and other freaks - is alfa and omega. it's their holy grail if you wish - no doctor in his/her right mind would be willing to take responcibility for ending a life. sometimes they have to, yes, but those are always very spesial cases, there's no any "principal" in that to be drawing parallels and analogies with anything.Ticia wrote:
Doctors have been aiding the sick to die everyday, since forever. We can pretend it doesn't happen if it makes you feel bad but is the truth.Shahter wrote:
the "principle"? orly? the principle is in the fact that nobody knows were to draw that line between a person who actually can decide for him/herself and completely senile dude who can't. the principle is in the fact that no medical professional in his right mind whatsoever is going to brand a patient worthy of being killed put out of his misery, unless that patient is brain dead. that is the principle, girlie. the mere fact that there are certain circomstances under which sometimes ones relatives get to decide when to switch it off doesn't mean a thing.
go and talk to some of those doctors - listen to what they say and then come back and we'll discuss this further.
Turquoise wrote:
Are you familiar with Dr. Kevorkian?Shahter wrote:
you have no idea what you are talking about. human life to a medical professional - a normal one, not a psychopath or some of those homeopathy practitioners and other freaks - is alfa and omega. it's their holy grail if you wish - no doctor in his/her right mind would be willing to take responcibility for ending a life. sometimes they have to, yes, but those are always very spesial cases, there's no any "principal" in that to be drawing parallels and analogies with anything.Ticia wrote:
Doctors have been aiding the sick to die everyday, since forever. We can pretend it doesn't happen if it makes you feel bad but is the truth.
go and talk to some of those doctors - listen to what they say and then come back and we'll discuss this further.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Kevorkian isn't a psychopath. He's a little weird, but he's pretty logical, actually.Shahter wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Are you familiar with Dr. Kevorkian?Shahter wrote:
you have no idea what you are talking about. human life to a medical professional - a normal one, not a psychopath or some of those homeopathy practitioners and other freaks - is alfa and omega. it's their holy grail if you wish - no doctor in his/her right mind would be willing to take responcibility for ending a life. sometimes they have to, yes, but those are always very spesial cases, there's no any "principal" in that to be drawing parallels and analogies with anything.
go and talk to some of those doctors - listen to what they say and then come back and we'll discuss this further.
How about this lady then?
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionz … d-a-crime/
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionz … d-a-crime/
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
As it stands people have to do long, painful and drawn out methods to end their lives. Euthanasia should be available and at a cheap price.
jord wrote:
As it stands people have to do long, painful and drawn out methods to end their lives. Euthanasia should be available and at a cheap price.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Say like somone tossing you a gun?jord wrote:
As it stands people have to do long, painful and drawn out methods to end their lives. Euthanasia should be available and at a cheap price.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.