Anti abortion..?
pro life?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
No I just didn't figure you for that stance is all.
Why's that? I am a pro-life guy. My Mom was told eons ago that I wasn't going to make it and I was developing all fucked up. Best to abort was his advice. She ignored him. I'm glad she did. I was born healthy with no medical defects (I fucked up my back at a later date).jord wrote:
No I just didn't figure you for that stance is all.
I do recognize and sympathize in instances of rapes/incest, but abortion out of convenience? Nah.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I don't know why I just thought I had the only pro lifer here pegged as masterstyle/roc18. Though it has been a while since that debate has graced us here, thankfully.
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
Harmor accusing other people of drinking the koolaid. Haha.
The same people who accuse Obama supporters of that are the ones who think things will magically go back to normal and happy times will return with a Republican house/senate. They're all drinking the koolaid, one side just thinks it's iced tea.
The same people who accuse Obama supporters of that are the ones who think things will magically go back to normal and happy times will return with a Republican house/senate. They're all drinking the koolaid, one side just thinks it's iced tea.
Do you expect the money this country needs to function to come from the POTUS' ass?DBBrinson1 wrote:
and no taxes. .
Because they can bitch when it's in the womb, bitch when it's born on gov't money, bitch while it goes to school and grows up on welfare, and bitch when it robs them 18 years later due to a life of poverty and neglect from parents who weren't ready or prepared for it. If it's aborted, they can only bitch once.burnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
haha, seriously though, no idea.
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im all for abortion but it just seems wrong/stupid to wait until the third trimester to kill it unless it has some defect v0vburnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
Which is why that's ILLEGAL...RTHKI wrote:
im all for abortion but it just seems wrong/stupid to wait until the third trimester to kill it unless it has some defect v0vburnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
Easy, I'm not religious. An infant has done nothing wrong. Some rapist/murdering fuck on the other hand... Who deserves to live?burnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
On the other hand, a fetus has no consciousness nor any idea its alive. Where as an adult does.
It's a debate that nobody ever budges on, nobody ever makes concessions or compromises and it only goes downhill and fast. Shall we not?
It's a debate that nobody ever budges on, nobody ever makes concessions or compromises and it only goes downhill and fast. Shall we not?
1 Replace " Pro Lifers " with " anti abortion "i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
2 Because an unborn child is Innocent* but a murderer is not ?
3 Perhaps they also feel that correction is not working where as a harsh penalty might discourage others ?
wouldn't count on this, they struggle in the womb. Do you " know your alive " during deep sleep or if you are sedated. ?jord wrote:
On the other hand, a fetus has no consciousness nor any idea its alive.
The argument seems flawed.
and therefore should have known better than to take a life ? That they didn't shows they have " no consciousness " in my opinion.jord wrote:
Where as an adult does.?
just my guess, I think it should be a medical decision not a theological one.
That's the Anti Abortions arguments week point as I see it. It should not foist a religious view on others.
On many other points I feel sympathetic to their cause. Especially since my wife lost a child during pregnancy and now I have four. I look at my kids and shudder at the word abortion as a father because it was something I had considered early on. As much as I some times wish I never met my wife I am so glad I have my kids.
different post
*who knows what those kids are really thinking in there.
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It's still legal under extenuating circumstances. If it can reasonably be determined that childbirth stands a high chance of killing the mother, then an emergency abortion can be performed.oChaos.Haze wrote:
Which is why that's ILLEGAL...RTHKI wrote:
im all for abortion but it just seems wrong/stupid to wait until the third trimester to kill it unless it has some defect v0vburnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
Statistically speaking, the death penalty doesn't serve very well as a deterrent. It also tends to cost far more than life imprisonment.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
1 Replace " Pro Lifers " with " anti abortion "i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
2 Because an unborn child is Innocent* but a murderer is not ?
3 Perhaps they also feel that correction is not working where as a harsh penalty might discourage others ?
I prefer the angle of "why should the government take away the responsibility of a woman over her own body?"Hunter/Jumper wrote:
wouldn't count on this, they struggle in the womb. Do you " know your alive " during deep sleep or if you are sedated. ?jord wrote:
On the other hand, a fetus has no consciousness nor any idea its alive.
The argument seems flawed.
Arguments of when life legally begins are arbitrary, because the very act of government deciding when you can and can't have an abortion is intrusion upon personal decisions. It's very big government on a personal level.
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There is a vast differance between me being asleep and an undeveloped fetus that has no consciousness. Would I care if I was aborted? Fuck no i'd have no idea I was a fetus anyway. The argument is not flawed, its pretty much a general concencus that abortion is nowhere near the same as ending a developed life that can think, feel, touch, taste, sense pain, communicate, observe the world, etc.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
1 Replace " Pro Lifers " with " anti abortion "i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
2 Because an unborn child is Innocent* but a murderer is not ?
3 Perhaps they also feel that correction is not working where as a harsh penalty might discourage others ?wouldn't count on this, they struggle in the womb. Do you " know your alive " during deep sleep or if you are sedated. ?jord wrote:
On the other hand, a fetus has no consciousness nor any idea its alive.
The argument seems flawed.and therefore should have known better than to take a life ? That they didn't shows they have " no consciousness " in my opinion.jord wrote:
Where as an adult does.?
just my guess, I think it should be a medical decision not a theological one.
That's the Anti Abortions arguments week point as I see it. It should not foist a religious view on others.
On many other points I feel sympathetic to their cause. Especially since my wife lost a child during pregnancy and now I have four. I look at my kids and shudder at the word abortion as a father because it was something I had considered early on. As much as I some times wish I never met my wife I am so glad I have my kids.
different post
*who knows what those kids are really thinking in there.
The argument shouldn't be purely medical either. For a concrete example, if a woman is raped and medically the baby would potentially be fine it should still be her choice.
As for the muderer/capital punishment think I take that on a per person basis. Murder isn't always what you're led to believe.. Some horrific gang banger on white mother of 2 crime isn't every murder. Again a differant argument altogether.
Again i wouldn't count on that. especaily the feel, touch, taste, sense pain, part." its pretty much a general concencus that abortion is nowhere near the same as ending a developed life that can think, feel, touch, taste, sense pain, communicate, observe the world, etc."
No doubt ! in my opinion No argument. The medical part for me is Where life begins. i just don't feel qualified to make that call." The argument shouldn't be purely medical either. For a concrete example, if a woman is raped and medically the baby would potentially be fine it should still be her choice. "
As for the muderer/capital punishment think I take that on a per person basis also killing the guy who molested your child should not be looked on the same way as killing the guy who took over your best corner, to but why bring race into it ?
back !
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The white woman thing was just an example of what people assume murder is. Its rarely right but there are exceptions...
Regarding the people ITT who said people had an unreasonable expectation of Obama: competly true, agree 100% but
The push for health care reform could have waited. There are plenty of other things more pressing to deal with than health care reform. It did nothing but further polarize the country and halted all other initiatives. I'm not some sort of 'rah rah government is evil, vote Palin' type, I wouldn't mind having to pay more in taxes if the money was going to be used for something meaningful like the 2.2. trillion in infrastructure updates our country needs.
That is my only real issue with Obama and the democrats.
I'm not even going to go into how the actual health care bill sucks but they dropped the ball with that too...
The push for health care reform could have waited. There are plenty of other things more pressing to deal with than health care reform. It did nothing but further polarize the country and halted all other initiatives. I'm not some sort of 'rah rah government is evil, vote Palin' type, I wouldn't mind having to pay more in taxes if the money was going to be used for something meaningful like the 2.2. trillion in infrastructure updates our country needs.
That is my only real issue with Obama and the democrats.
I'm not even going to go into how the actual health care bill sucks but they dropped the ball with that too...
Because those fucks usually deserve to die while an unborn fetus has done nothing. more disturbing is how pro-choice people don't want the death penalty for people who deserve it..burnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
I support the death penalty and am pro choice. I guess that makes me pro-death.
I rather the child be aborted than have to pay for the social services to make sure the kid doesn't become a burden/criminal/etc.
I rather the child be aborted than have to pay for the social services to make sure the kid doesn't become a burden/criminal/etc.
Lol.CC-Marley wrote:
Because those fucks usually deserve to die while an unborn fetus has done nothing. more disturbing is how pro-choice people don't want the death penalty for people who deserve it..burnzz wrote:
i don't get how pro lifers support the death penalty.
Doesn't have to ... five .308 rounds for the firing squad is downright economical. Oh but the serial killer who hacked up his victims shouldn't feel any pain or that's "cruel and unusual".Turquoise wrote:
... the death penalty ... tends to cost far more than life imprisonment.
The high cost comes from the appeal process to make sure we don't off an innocent person. Though I'm all in favor of cruel and unusual punishment, seriously I'm a big fan of Genghis Khan, you don't want to cause a cruel irreversible punishment if there is even a slight chance of innocence.Stingray24 wrote:
Doesn't have to ... five .308 rounds for the firing squad is downright economical. Oh but the serial killer who hacked up his victims shouldn't feel any pain or that's "cruel and unusual".Turquoise wrote:
... the death penalty ... tends to cost far more than life imprisonment.