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Michael Savage has a degree in food.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Michael Savage has a degree in food.

Yep...according to Michael Savage's Bio he has a PhD. from the University of California at Berkeley in epidemiology and nutrition sciences.  But yeah he talks alot about food on his show and his time in Fiji and the Pacific looking for plants.

He's also a big proponent on using nutrition to heal yourself.

Dilbert_X wrote:

[list][#]Regulate Wall Street in the interests of shareholders and the country and to modulate booms and busts
[#]Create a basic healthcare system and remove the burden from employers
[#]Pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan
[#]Stop funding and protecting Israel no matter what trouble they create
[#]Set up a temporary worker system eg for Mexicans so they're tracked, pay tax and go back home
[#]Reduce the strength of unions

I agree with these, assuming that the last one means you're in favor of breaking up things like teachers' unions.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm glad you can't vote.

Your country is in the toilet, not mine.

Turquoise wrote:

I agree with these, assuming that the last one means you're in favor of breaking up things like teachers' unions.

I'd say most unions are barriers to business, except on safety and unreasonable dismissal.
They don't need to be broken up, just have their power curtailed a little.

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Hardly. Recession is over, we'll get back to raping your GDP here in a bit.

Barely, with 9.5% unemployment, and at a cost of more borrowing than the rest of US history in total.
You're just entering the beginning of the end.

Lawl, the stimulus did jack shit. Yes, the current government spent wild amounts of money and spared no expense paying back its constituents for their votes. Our debt to gdp ratio is still lower than:

1      Zimbabwe     282.60     2009 est.
2      Japan     189.30     2009 est.
3      Saint Kitts and Nevis     185.00     2009 est.
4      Lebanon     156.00     2009 est.
5      Jamaica     124.50     2009 est.
6      Italy     115.20     2009 est.
7      Greece     113.40     2009 est.
8      Singapore     113.10     2009 est.
9      Iceland     107.60     2009 est.
10      Sudan     103.70     2009 est.
11      Belgium     97.60     2009 est.
12      Sri Lanka     86.70     2009 est.
13      Egypt     80.10     2009 est.
14      Israel     78.40     2009 est.
15      Hungary     78.00     2009 est.
16      France     77.50     2009 est.
17      Portugal     76.90     2009 est.
18      Canada     75.40     2009 est.
19      Germany     72.10     2009 est.
20      Malta     69.40     2009 est.
21      Austria     69.30     2009 est.
22      United Kingdom     68.10     2009 est.
23      Kenya     66.70     2009 est.
24      Jordan     64.40     2009 est.
25      Seychelles     63.20     2009 est.
26      Nicaragua     63.10     2009 est.
27      Netherlands     62.20     2009 est.
28      Cote d'Ivoire     61.90     2009 est.
29      Norway     60.60     2009 est.
30      Brazil     60.00     2009 est.
31      Mauritius     58.70     2009 est.
32      Philippines     58.70     2009 est.
33      Albania     58.10     2009 est.
34      India     58.00     2009 est.
35      Bhutan     57.80     2009
36      Ireland     57.70     2009est.
37      Uruguay     56.60     2009 est.
38      Cyprus     56.20     2009 est.
39      World     56.00     2009 est.
40      Ghana     55.20     2009 est.
41      Morocco     55.10     2009 est.
42      United Arab Emirates     54.00     2009 est.
43      Malaysia     53.70     2009 est.
44      Vietnam     53.70     2009 est.
45      Spain     53.20     2009 est.
46      Tunisia     53.00     2009 est.
47      United States     52.90     2009 est.

So while we've got a far higher ratio than we should, it's still recoverable with some fiscally prudent decision making.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Hardly. Recession is over, we'll get back to raping your GDP here in a bit.

Barely, with 9.5% unemployment, and at a cost of more borrowing than the rest of US history in total.
You're just entering the beginning of the end.

Lawl, the stimulus did jack shit. Yes, the current government spent wild amounts of money and spared no expense paying back its constituents for their votes. Our debt to gdp ratio is still lower than:

1      Zimbabwe     282.60     2009 est.
2      Japan     189.30     2009 est.
3      Saint Kitts and Nevis     185.00     2009 est.
4      Lebanon     156.00     2009 est.
5      Jamaica     124.50     2009 est.
6      Italy     115.20     2009 est.
7      Greece     113.40     2009 est.
8      Singapore     113.10     2009 est.
9      Iceland     107.60     2009 est.
10      Sudan     103.70     2009 est.
11      Belgium     97.60     2009 est.
12      Sri Lanka     86.70     2009 est.
13      Egypt     80.10     2009 est.
14      Israel     78.40     2009 est.
15      Hungary     78.00     2009 est.
16      France     77.50     2009 est.
17      Portugal     76.90     2009 est.
18      Canada     75.40     2009 est.
19      Germany     72.10     2009 est.
20      Malta     69.40     2009 est.
21      Austria     69.30     2009 est.
22      United Kingdom     68.10     2009 est.
23      Kenya     66.70     2009 est.
24      Jordan     64.40     2009 est.
25      Seychelles     63.20     2009 est.
26      Nicaragua     63.10     2009 est.
27      Netherlands     62.20     2009 est.
28      Cote d'Ivoire     61.90     2009 est.
29      Norway     60.60     2009 est.
30      Brazil     60.00     2009 est.
31      Mauritius     58.70     2009 est.
32      Philippines     58.70     2009 est.
33      Albania     58.10     2009 est.
34      India     58.00     2009 est.
35      Bhutan     57.80     2009
36      Ireland     57.70     2009est.
37      Uruguay     56.60     2009 est.
38      Cyprus     56.20     2009 est.
39      World     56.00     2009 est.
40      Ghana     55.20     2009 est.
41      Morocco     55.10     2009 est.
42      United Arab Emirates     54.00     2009 est.
43      Malaysia     53.70     2009 est.
44      Vietnam     53.70     2009 est.
45      Spain     53.20     2009 est.
46      Tunisia     53.00     2009 est.
47      United States     52.90     2009 est.

So while we've got a far higher ratio than we should, it's still recoverable with some fiscally prudent decision making.

You need 2010 figures, not 2009 estimates.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-22 21:11:44)

JohnG@lt wrote:

2010 is still ongoing.

Exactly, and the US dollar continues to fall - which cganges the figures somewhat

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-22 21:12:59)

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

2010 is still ongoing.

Exactly, and the US dollar continues to fall - which cganges the figures somewhat

Which means strengthened exports and cheaper debt.

Bring the troops home.

Dilbert_X wrote:

You mean more expensive imports and exactly the same debt? As a net importer thats a much bigger factor.

Your debt is in US dollars, it doesn't change.

Sure it does. If I have $1,000 and print $1,000 more I've devalued the value of the money I possess. While the nominal value goes unchanged, I've created more supply which lowers the real value.

Expensive imports, cheap exports. Our currency remained strong for far too long and manufacturing has swung out of the US. With a lower valued dollar it will become cheaper to produce goods here for export. Trade is a seesaw and when it swings in one direction too long the gaining country eventually ends up with a cost of living that makes exports too expensive. China was the benefactor for many years but perhaps the seesaw is tipping back now. Perhaps our devalued currency will force the Yuan to float instead of remaining artificially pegged. If that happens bye bye Chinese manufacturing plants producing the majority of the worlds goods. It's happening even without our currency changing anyway. China has unions demanding wage increases now.

Anyway, the policies you listed are a mix of stupid, protectionism, and pipe dream.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

You mean more expensive imports and exactly the same debt? As a net importer thats a much bigger factor.

Your debt is in US dollars, it doesn't change.

Sure it does. If I have $1,000 and print $1,000 more I've devalued the value of the money I possess. While the nominal value goes unchanged, I've created more supply which lowers the real value.

We were talking about borrowings, not printing money.
Print money and your next round of bond issues becomes much more expensive, or doesn't get bought at all in which case you're suddenly in real shit. Greece has found this out, the US will soon.

Anyway, the policies you listed are a mix of stupid, protectionism, and pipe dream.

They work perfectly for Germany, Australia, etc etc

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-09-22 21:31:06)