Andrew Shirvell -- Homophobic Assistant Attorney General of Michigan

2010-09-30 17:08:10

#1

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6851|North Carolina

So, there's this openly gay student body president at the University of Michigan named Chris Armstrong.

Apparently, Andrew Shirvell, the Assistant Attorney General of Michigan, didn't like that a gay guy was elected president there. So, he decided to create a blog, slander Armstrong in some pretty appalling ways, and protest outside his house.

CNN did an interesting interview with him...

Well, after all of the attention this garnered, Mike Cox (yes, that really is his name), the Attorney General of Michigan and Shirvell's boss, agreed to do an interview with CNN shortly thereafter.

While Mike Cox might be correct that Shirvell has the right to speak his mind via the First Amendment, Anderson Cooper's sticking point in this is that Shirvell is clearly acting in a way that is "unbecoming" of someone in his position because of the importance of it.

Cox basically spends the entire interview dodging this simple truth. But then again, it's not really surprising. Cox is a religious fanatic who was elected by religious fanatics, and Shirvell was one of his campaign managers.

So, what do you guys think of this mess? Should Shirvell be fired, or is the First Amendment really applicable in preserving his job?

2010-09-30 17:18:06

#2

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6891|The Land of Scott Walker

Well, he's a religious fanatic, of course he should lose his job.

Edit: I've always wondered why homophobic is the word for those who don't like gays. If he's worried a gay gentleman will give him non-consentual bum loving, then he'd be homophobic. Racists aren't "insert race"phobic and afraid of said race, they hate people of that race because of their skin color. Strange terminology ...

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2010-09-30 17:26:48

#3

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6851|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:
Well, he's a religious fanatic, of course he should lose his job.

Edit: I've always wondered why homophobic is the word for those who don't like gays. If he's worried a gay gentleman will give him non-consentual bum loving, then he'd be homophobic. Racists aren't "insert race"phobic and afraid of said race, they hate people of that race because of their skin color. Strange terminology ...

I kind of agree with you on that. I'm not a fan of the Islamaphobia term myself.

Still, it seems like Shirvell himself might be gay. He's rather effeminate. It's funny how that's often the case with people like him. Ted Haggard and Larry Craig were obsessed with gay people as well before they were outed.

But yeah, Shirvell is clearly making an embarrassment out of his position.

2010-09-30 17:30:43

#4

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6891|The Land of Scott Walker

It is rather interesting that those who have secret gay feelings try to hide it by railing against others in public.

2010-09-30 17:56:50

#5

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7162

i lolled pretty hard

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2010-09-30 20:41:23

#6

HollisHurlbut: Member; +51|6443

He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.

2010-09-30 20:43:54

#7

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7162

HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.

No I'd say it's pretty unethical. lol gay nazis at u mich. that attorney is a total tool who has no life.

2010-09-30 22:32:22

#8

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6851|North Carolina

HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.

His position specifically requires protecting the rights of all groups equally.

He clearly has a prejudice against gays -- that interferes directly with his responsibilities.

2010-09-30 22:35:41

#9

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7162

Turquoise wrote:
HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.
His position specifically requires protecting the rights of all groups equally.

He clearly has a prejudice against gays -- that interferes directly with his responsibilities.

Very very good point turq. can't exactly have a government employee spouting shit like that. i hope the scum bag loses his job. he has wayyy too much time on his hand stalking some random gay kid in college.

2010-09-30 22:43:44

#10

Reciprocity: Member; +721|7026|the dank(super) side of Oregon

that dude is dangerously repressed. I hope he gets some help.

2010-09-30 22:45:01

#11

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7162

Reciprocity wrote:
that dude is dangerously repressed. I hope he gets some help.

how he got a law degree is beyond me

2010-09-30 22:47:02

#12

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,073|7217|PNW

What a bunch of neolithic trolls. Armstrong's right to maintain high ground and blow off the interview in favor of legal action.

Cybargs wrote:
HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.
No I'd say it's pretty unethical. lol gay nazis at u mich. that attorney is a total tool who has no life.

Agreed. The legality can be tossed about a bit in court, but cyber-bullying is unethical, and this guy can't worm his way out of it.

(this thread coming on the heels of my hearing about another gay kid who suicided over being outed by technology and malice)

2010-10-01 05:41:27

#13

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7067|London, England

Stingray24 wrote:
Well, he's a religious fanatic, of course he should lose his job.

Edit: I've always wondered why homophobic is the word for those who don't like gays. If he's worried a gay gentleman will give him non-consentual bum loving, then he'd be homophobic. Racists aren't "insert race"phobic and afraid of said race, they hate people of that race because of their skin color. Strange terminology ...

'Anti-Semitic'

You people like using that word all the time

2010-10-01 05:43:11

#14

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7067|London, England

HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.

It's actually the other way round you moron

2010-10-01 05:45:25

#15

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7120|Canberra, AUS

HollisHurlbut wrote:
He did nothing illegal or unethical. He expressed his opinions as he has a right to do. If this were a private company, I'd say fire away. But as a government employee he should be afforded all the protections in his professional life as he is in his private life.

?!

You got that backwards.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-10-01 05:46:21

#16

jord: Member; +2,382|7124|The North, beyond the wall.

Mekstizzle wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
Well, he's a religious fanatic, of course he should lose his job.

Edit: I've always wondered why homophobic is the word for those who don't like gays. If he's worried a gay gentleman will give him non-consentual bum loving, then he'd be homophobic. Racists aren't "insert race"phobic and afraid of said race, they hate people of that race because of their skin color. Strange terminology ...
'Anti-Semitic'

You people like using that word all the time

You're always on about that. It's popular teminology and it isn't going away mek, stop it.

2010-10-01 06:11:42

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6851|North Carolina

Mekstizzle wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
Well, he's a religious fanatic, of course he should lose his job.

Edit: I've always wondered why homophobic is the word for those who don't like gays. If he's worried a gay gentleman will give him non-consentual bum loving, then he'd be homophobic. Racists aren't "insert race"phobic and afraid of said race, they hate people of that race because of their skin color. Strange terminology ...
'Anti-Semitic'

You people like using that word all the time

Touche... It is true that people often use the term antisemitic whenever anyone criticizes Israel.

2010-10-01 07:55:19

#18

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6576|North Tonawanda, NY

He's taking personal leave from his position now...

2010-10-01 08:12:03

#19

Ticia: Member; +73|5781

LMAO
He went to a Ave Maria School of Law!
The Bible was probably his Constitution. Why did the State hire this douchebag in the first place?

2010-10-01 20:01:47

#20

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,073|7217|PNW

SenorToenails wrote:
He's taking personal leave from his position now...

Let me finish that article's title...

Assistant AG takes leave amid gay-bashing controversy [to go bash gays].

2010-10-01 20:03:04

#21

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6943

LoL [an Ass. Attorney Generals' work is never done . . .]

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