I'm glad we moved past those days.JohnG@lt wrote:
Back then they didn't collect fees, the fire departments were simply entitled to whatever was in the home after it burned. Salvage rights.Graphic-J wrote:
BTW: I remember a scene from "Gangs Of New York", where a house was on fire and competing fire companies came and argued over who's jurisdiction it was to deal with the fire. Not because of their moral imperative to protect the house and family, but over who would extort money from the owner. When the owner questioned having to pay such fee, both groups sat back and watched it burn. In fact, others ran into the house to loot whatever valuables they could.
This model should be extended to the Police.
If you don't pay taxes whoever killed you should go free.
If you don't pay taxes whoever killed you should go free.
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Fuck Israel
After reading more on this it actually looks like a big racket.
There was no reason not to try and stopping the fire unless the fire department was trying to make an example out of this people. As of today South Fulton Gov. will be stuffing their pockets with the $200 a year every household in Obion County is now more than willing to pay.
There was no reason not to try and stopping the fire unless the fire department was trying to make an example out of this people. As of today South Fulton Gov. will be stuffing their pockets with the $200 a year every household in Obion County is now more than willing to pay.
We also have volunteer firefighters here in Australia (and not just for small towns), but the cost is still covered by taxes rather than some sort of subscription scheme.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Some towns are too small to financially support a full blown fire department. Some of those towns have 'volunteer' firefighters, either paid directly by the citizens of the town or funded my small fees charged by the town government. It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think.
tbh Emergency services are one of those essentials that must be fully funded, and generally by taxation.
Cops don't spend a whole lot of time chasing the people who murder bums... IJS.Dilbert_X wrote:
This model should be extended to the Police.
If you don't pay taxes whoever killed you should go free.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Again, why is it dumb?FloppY_ wrote:
Not having a public firefighting service is like not having any police or any emergency & rescue service...mikkel wrote:
Why is it dumb?FloppY_ wrote:
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard
So you think no police, no firefighters and no emergency services is a smart thing to do politically?mikkel wrote:
Again, why is it dumb?FloppY_ wrote:
Not having a public firefighting service is like not having any police or any emergency & rescue service...mikkel wrote:
Why is it dumb?
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
It's not that there weren't any. The property owner had a choice, and he chose poorly. That's all. It was only $75...I'd have paid it.FloppY_ wrote:
So you think no police, no firefighters and no emergency services is a smart thing to do politically?mikkel wrote:
Again, why is it dumb?FloppY_ wrote:
Not having a public firefighting service is like not having any police or any emergency & rescue service...
If it makes sense for the local government to contract services from adjacent municipalities, then of course it's a sensible thing to do.FloppY_ wrote:
So you think no police, no firefighters and no emergency services is a smart thing to do politically?mikkel wrote:
Again, why is it dumb?FloppY_ wrote:
Not having a public firefighting service is like not having any police or any emergency & rescue service...
I'm not understanding why he couldn't pay his fee right then and there to have it saved
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Can you buy car insurance after you've totaled your car?SplinterStrike wrote:
I'm not understanding why he couldn't pay his fee right then and there to have it saved
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Logical, but I figured this might have been slightly different. Somehow I see it going to court sometime soon.JohnG@lt wrote:
Can you buy car insurance after you've totaled your car?SplinterStrike wrote:
I'm not understanding why he couldn't pay his fee right then and there to have it saved
No. But you can prevent the house from burning any further as you are just standing there with a fucking hose in your hand.JohnG@lt wrote:
Can you buy car insurance after you've totaled your car?SplinterStrike wrote:
I'm not understanding why he couldn't pay his fee right then and there to have it saved
In Victoria it was covered by a levy on insurance, insurance was optional so not everyone paid.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
We also have volunteer firefighters here in Australia (and not just for small towns), but the cost is still covered by taxes rather than some sort of subscription scheme.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Some towns are too small to financially support a full blown fire department. Some of those towns have 'volunteer' firefighters, either paid directly by the citizens of the town or funded my small fees charged by the town government. It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think.
tbh Emergency services are one of those essentials that must be fully funded, and generally by taxation.
The uninsured who lost their homes on Black Saturday demanding govt and charity help was pretty rich TBH.
I didn't give anything, if you live in a forest and don't buy fire insurance hard luck.
Fuck Israel
Why not? Its still murder.JohnG@lt wrote:
Cops don't spend a whole lot of time chasing the people who murder bums... IJS.Dilbert_X wrote:
This model should be extended to the Police.
If you don't pay taxes whoever killed you should go free.
Fuck Israel
Are there any insurance liabilities regarding this FD working on a house beyond its municipality or without a contractual obligation? If the guy didn't want his house to burn down maybe he should have properly maintained his house and property or paid the fee to have the city (he does not live in) protect him.
They should offer the option of letting someone pay on the spot to have them put out the fire. But it should cost 10x more. Although if that makes people opt for the higher rate in the rare event of the fire, the FD could lose some money, and then they'd resort to arson to raise funds.
Yes. If a house burned down in the town they were paid to cover while they were putting out this guys home they could be sued.Reciprocity wrote:
Are there any insurance liabilities regarding this FD working on a house beyond its municipality or without a contractual obligation? If the guy didn't want his house to burn down maybe he should have properly maintained his house and property or paid the fee to have the city (he does not live in) protect him.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
We don't have to.SEREMAKER wrote:
sooooo you didn't pay your $75unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I'd laugh if the firehouse burnt down while they were all out.
Firefighters as humans should have put out the fire.
Firefighters as employees should not have put out the fire.
Firefighters as employees should not have put out the fire.
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This story is also being discussed in a forum mostly full of liberal young adults. It's so funny.
I've come back from a 4 month Vacation of fighting wild land Fires just to specifically bring in my two cents on this particular topic.
Background:
I'm currently a BLM Strike Team Leader, I'm in charge of 8 brush trucks and the crews along with it (much like a Battalion Chief). I've also got 7 years experience as a Volunteer Firefighter, 2 years of which as a Captain. The County I serve as a Voly (Volunteer) is bigger than the state of Rhode Island. We've got 5 Districts and 5 Chiefs of those Districts. Each District covers their slice of the county. Each District includes a town. My District which is number 2, contains the biggest population of 9,000 people and the surrounding rural area which has 900 or so people. The longest response time is 30 minutes while the shortest is 3 minutes. The annual budget for the 5 "departments" is paid for by taxing of the citizens of the county. However my particular department has a set of vehicles that are for City/Rural Response and City vehicles for City responses only. All volunteer fire departments in Montana operate the same way.
Theory; My interpretation of what has transpired is this; A neighboring paid City fire department, a department paid and staffed by a City government is contracted for fire suppression outside of city limits to the citizens of the county via a Fee. If you don't pay the fee you don't get fire suppression. I understand following orders but for fuck sakes.. You have the equipment, put some goddamn water on it. Also its the owners fault for burning garbage 10 feet away from a house. Ten feet away is beyond the "oh fuck" zone. We make it a practice during wild land urban interface to clear anything that can burn 40 feet away from a house.
Experience; Double wide mobile homes are just a big box of matchsticks. In less than 10 minutes the structure can be fully involved. I came to this exact figure this year as a wildfire crept up to a mobile home while we sat half a mile away, the land owner wouldn't let use cut the purdy trees down around his home. I've been in some shitty situations that I'm lucky to have walked away from. I can tell you no fire fighter's life is worth saving a room in a mobile home. This year alone I've watched 10 mobile homes get consumed by the fire beast.
I would also like to have some data such as response times, miles driven So I could speculate more if the mobile home was even worth saving to begin with.
Background:
I'm currently a BLM Strike Team Leader, I'm in charge of 8 brush trucks and the crews along with it (much like a Battalion Chief). I've also got 7 years experience as a Volunteer Firefighter, 2 years of which as a Captain. The County I serve as a Voly (Volunteer) is bigger than the state of Rhode Island. We've got 5 Districts and 5 Chiefs of those Districts. Each District covers their slice of the county. Each District includes a town. My District which is number 2, contains the biggest population of 9,000 people and the surrounding rural area which has 900 or so people. The longest response time is 30 minutes while the shortest is 3 minutes. The annual budget for the 5 "departments" is paid for by taxing of the citizens of the county. However my particular department has a set of vehicles that are for City/Rural Response and City vehicles for City responses only. All volunteer fire departments in Montana operate the same way.
Theory; My interpretation of what has transpired is this; A neighboring paid City fire department, a department paid and staffed by a City government is contracted for fire suppression outside of city limits to the citizens of the county via a Fee. If you don't pay the fee you don't get fire suppression. I understand following orders but for fuck sakes.. You have the equipment, put some goddamn water on it. Also its the owners fault for burning garbage 10 feet away from a house. Ten feet away is beyond the "oh fuck" zone. We make it a practice during wild land urban interface to clear anything that can burn 40 feet away from a house.
Experience; Double wide mobile homes are just a big box of matchsticks. In less than 10 minutes the structure can be fully involved. I came to this exact figure this year as a wildfire crept up to a mobile home while we sat half a mile away, the land owner wouldn't let use cut the purdy trees down around his home. I've been in some shitty situations that I'm lucky to have walked away from. I can tell you no fire fighter's life is worth saving a room in a mobile home. This year alone I've watched 10 mobile homes get consumed by the fire beast.
I would also like to have some data such as response times, miles driven So I could speculate more if the mobile home was even worth saving to begin with.
You pretty much described a huge chunk of the internet.mtb0minime wrote:
This story is also being discussed in a forum mostly full of liberal young adults. It's so funny.
i think the average age of DST is around 26 tbhunnamednewbie13 wrote:
You pretty much described a huge chunk of the internet.mtb0minime wrote:
This story is also being discussed in a forum mostly full of liberal young adults. It's so funny.
Ok, well, that forum is saturated with liberal-minded young adults, as opposed to the older, more conservative group found here in D&STunnamednewbie13 wrote:
You pretty much described a huge chunk of the internet.mtb0minime wrote:
This story is also being discussed in a forum mostly full of liberal young adults. It's so funny.
And I mean real young adults. Or maybe I should say late-teens/early-twenties.
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