Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5747|London, England

Acerider wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Acerider wrote:

Can't believe some idiot actually attacked a firefighter after the incident. Probably some guy who didn't know the whole story...

More on topic, the firefighters shouldn't have put it out, but was putting out the fire and overcharging the guy out of the option? Like, if the people dont pay for the fire service, dont deny it to them, just vastly extort them for it. It's good capitilism, and besides, then no one can complain afterwards.


Well said.
did you just say a firefighter shouldn't put out a fire.
Firstly, I was implying that they shouldn't put it out because of their contract. However, Morally, they shouldve put it out. I wish they did put it out... but they were following they're contract. I'm sorry, but as morally wrong as the firefighters were being, they were FOLLOWING THEIR ORDERS. Sure, they chose the greater of two evils, but they still followed orders. Besides, the guy should've had his house insured, and his possesions, fires and disasters happen, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about them. No matter how hard you try to prevent them. The guy should've paid his tax. Sure, they shouldve put out the fire, but it's the guys fault. Call me a no-hearted capitalist, but that's how I stand.
It was a mobile home. The value of the home was probably minuscule and not worth covering. I mean the guy wasn't even paying for trash pickup, he was burning it in his front yard (10 feet from his front door).
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7070|Disaster Free Zone

JohnG@lt wrote:

Acerider wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


did you just say a firefighter shouldn't put out a fire.
Firstly, I was implying that they shouldn't put it out because of their contract. However, Morally, they shouldve put it out. I wish they did put it out... but they were following they're contract. I'm sorry, but as morally wrong as the firefighters were being, they were FOLLOWING THEIR ORDERS. Sure, they chose the greater of two evils, but they still followed orders. Besides, the guy should've had his house insured, and his possesions, fires and disasters happen, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about them. No matter how hard you try to prevent them. The guy should've paid his tax. Sure, they shouldve put out the fire, but it's the guys fault. Call me a no-hearted capitalist, but that's how I stand.
It was a mobile home. The value of the home was probably minuscule and not worth covering. I mean the guy wasn't even paying for trash pickup, he was burning it in his front yard (10 feet from his front door).
Isn't that illegal?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5747|London, England

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

How come there aren't stories like this when someone's power gets shut down after they failed to pay their electricity bill?
Or when they fail to pay for garbage pickup and the trash piles up in their back yard.
Council rates pays for garbage pickup.
I have no idea what that means.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7043

Maybe it's just me and my set of morals, but I don't see how morals even come into question here. There were no human beings inside the home, no one was dying or risked dying. It was just replaceable property that burned up. Now, if there had been people inside who needed help and the firefighters did nothing, then that'd be fucked up. Fortunately that's not the case.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6794|North Carolina

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Acerider wrote:


Firstly, I was implying that they shouldn't put it out because of their contract. However, Morally, they shouldve put it out. I wish they did put it out... but they were following they're contract. I'm sorry, but as morally wrong as the firefighters were being, they were FOLLOWING THEIR ORDERS. Sure, they chose the greater of two evils, but they still followed orders. Besides, the guy should've had his house insured, and his possesions, fires and disasters happen, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about them. No matter how hard you try to prevent them. The guy should've paid his tax. Sure, they shouldve put out the fire, but it's the guys fault. Call me a no-hearted capitalist, but that's how I stand.
It was a mobile home. The value of the home was probably minuscule and not worth covering. I mean the guy wasn't even paying for trash pickup, he was burning it in his front yard (10 feet from his front door).
Isn't that illegal?
Most likely.

Trashy people do trashy things.  We have an excess of them, unfortunately.
Jay
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+2,006|5747|London, England

SenorToenails wrote:

The guy is a moron for not paying $75.
/thread
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5747|London, England

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Acerider wrote:


Firstly, I was implying that they shouldn't put it out because of their contract. However, Morally, they shouldve put it out. I wish they did put it out... but they were following they're contract. I'm sorry, but as morally wrong as the firefighters were being, they were FOLLOWING THEIR ORDERS. Sure, they chose the greater of two evils, but they still followed orders. Besides, the guy should've had his house insured, and his possesions, fires and disasters happen, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about them. No matter how hard you try to prevent them. The guy should've paid his tax. Sure, they shouldve put out the fire, but it's the guys fault. Call me a no-hearted capitalist, but that's how I stand.
It was a mobile home. The value of the home was probably minuscule and not worth covering. I mean the guy wasn't even paying for trash pickup, he was burning it in his front yard (10 feet from his front door).
Isn't that illegal?
Probably. Dunno. What do you expect from ignorant inbred rednecks though?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6519|North Tonawanda, NY
Burning trash is legal in many places.  Visit the country--you'll see burn barrels and fire pits all over.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7070|Disaster Free Zone

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Or when they fail to pay for garbage pickup and the trash piles up in their back yard.
Council rates pays for garbage pickup.
I have no idea what that means.
Which part, the council rates or the fact garbage pick up is paid for?
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5626|Cleveland, Ohio
maybe you should pay next time
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5747|London, England

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:


Council rates pays for garbage pickup.
I have no idea what that means.
Which part, the council rates or the fact garbage pick up is paid for?
Council rates.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7070|Disaster Free Zone

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


I have no idea what that means.
Which part, the council rates or the fact garbage pick up is paid for?
Council rates.
Property tax
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|6087

JohnG@lt wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

The guy is a moron for not paying $75.
/thread
jord
Member
+2,382|7067|The North, beyond the wall.

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Or when they fail to pay for garbage pickup and the trash piles up in their back yard.
Council rates pays for garbage pickup.
I have no idea what that means.
It's a commonwealth word I guess for taxation, I thought the us used it too.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7105

11 Bravo wrote:

maybe you should pay next time
i bet he has a yankee killing license
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RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6954|Area 51

Trotskygrad wrote:

extinguish it with their permission and bill them later... that's how it should be done
I agree. I mean the man offered them to pay whatever they wanted. Obviously he should have payed his lousy $75 dollars on time, but to let somebody's house burn to the ground while you can partially prevent that, seems almost..criminal in my eyes.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6907|Montucky
Maybe the jackass grandson shouldn't have been burning trash 10 feet away from the house.

Mobile homes burn to fast to save anyway.
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|6967|Columbus, OH
Half-ass planning on the homeowner's part. If they decided not to pay the service, what was their contingency plan?

I bet, while the fire raged, they even called an insurance agent and finally decided to get homeowner's insurance as well. /sarcasm

Last edited by loubot (2010-10-07 11:33:55)

mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7043

This family had to be made an example of, to be honest. If they let them pay the bill later, then everyone would opt out of the fee and just pay if their home caught fire. Since hardly anyone would pay the bill, the volunteer fire department would not have the funding necessary to maintain their equipment and would not be prepared in the event someone's home does catch fire.


In the end, it all comes down to some retarded red-necks being retarded and looking everywhere for a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their retardedness. Retards.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6794|North Carolina

mtb0minime wrote:

This family had to be made an example of, to be honest. If they let them pay the bill later, then everyone would opt out of the fee and just pay if their home caught fire. Since hardly anyone would pay the bill, the volunteer fire department would not have the funding necessary to maintain their equipment and would not be prepared in the event someone's home does catch fire.


In the end, it all comes down to some retarded red-necks being retarded and looking everywhere for a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their retardedness. Retards.
It begs the question though...   Was this fire truly accidental?
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6907|Montucky

Turquoise wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

This family had to be made an example of, to be honest. If they let them pay the bill later, then everyone would opt out of the fee and just pay if their home caught fire. Since hardly anyone would pay the bill, the volunteer fire department would not have the funding necessary to maintain their equipment and would not be prepared in the event someone's home does catch fire.


In the end, it all comes down to some retarded red-necks being retarded and looking everywhere for a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their retardedness. Retards.
It begs the question though...   Was this fire truly accidental?
HHEELLLLOOOOOOOOOO

Burning Trash 10 feet away from a MOBILE HOME.


Home Owner's Fault


Mobile Homes are a giant fucking tinderbox.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6794|North Carolina

S3v3N wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

This family had to be made an example of, to be honest. If they let them pay the bill later, then everyone would opt out of the fee and just pay if their home caught fire. Since hardly anyone would pay the bill, the volunteer fire department would not have the funding necessary to maintain their equipment and would not be prepared in the event someone's home does catch fire.


In the end, it all comes down to some retarded red-necks being retarded and looking everywhere for a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their retardedness. Retards.
It begs the question though...   Was this fire truly accidental?
HHEELLLLOOOOOOOOOO

Burning Trash 10 feet away from a MOBILE HOME.


Home Owner's Fault


Mobile Homes are a giant fucking tinderbox.
I must have missed that part...  where does the article state that?
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|6967|Columbus, OH

Gene Cranick wrote:

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong."
In the words of some country bumpkin: He dun goofed
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6907|Montucky
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life

MSNNBC wrote:

The firefighters' decision to follow orders and let the doublewide mobile home owned by Gene Cranick burn to the ground Sept. 29 while saving the property of a neighbor who did pay the subscription has prompted debate as the event has gained nationwide media attention.................

The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond, because Cranick had not paid the annual fee.
While this article doesn't say 10 feet, the one i did read I cannot find and have better things to do than argue with people that have no idea what its like to fight fires anyway.  I'm also currently sitting in my command truck watching over a 2,000Acre Burn. Sooooo Exciting.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6794|North Carolina

S3v3N wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life

MSNNBC wrote:

The firefighters' decision to follow orders and let the doublewide mobile home owned by Gene Cranick burn to the ground Sept. 29 while saving the property of a neighbor who did pay the subscription has prompted debate as the event has gained nationwide media attention.................

The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond, because Cranick had not paid the annual fee.
While this article doesn't say 10 feet, the one i did read I cannot find and have better things to do than argue with people that have no idea what its like to fight fires anyway.  I'm also currently sitting in my command truck watching over a 2,000Acre Burn. Sooooo Exciting.
I wasn't trying to make any personal remarks about firemen in general.  I'm just saying "making an example" out of someone in that situation is something that they had a vested interest in, if not enough people paid the fee.

Thanks for the providing the article.  I had wondered where John had gotten the 10 feet reference from, but it makes more sense now.

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