BF2S Forums US Arms embargo on China looks like it'll be lifted

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Now if only we could lift the trade embargo on Cuba.

Why? It's not like it would make any difference to Cuba.

It would make a huge difference.  They'd have access to one of the world's largest markets, which would expedite the process of them moving from their faux Communism to an actual capitalism.

They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

It would make a huge difference.  They'd have access to one of the world's largest markets, which would expedite the process of them moving from their faux Communism to an actual capitalism.

They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.

But if you're a free trade advocate, then surely opening trade with them can't hurt, right?  You said it wouldn't change anything, so why not drop the embargo?

I think the embargo is asinine. Lift it and whatever party is responsible loses Florida for the next century though.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.

But if you're a free trade advocate, then surely opening trade with them can't hurt, right?  You said it wouldn't change anything, so why not drop the embargo?

I think the embargo is asinine. Lift it and whatever party is responsible loses Florida for the next century though.

I don't know about that.  Younger Cubans seem to be over that shit.

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Why? It's not like it would make any difference to Cuba.

It would make a huge difference.  They'd have access to one of the world's largest markets, which would expedite the process of them moving from their faux Communism to an actual capitalism.

They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.

I think US tourism to Cuba would explode, and that would definitely impact their economy.

JohnG@lt wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

And thank you FEOS for fixing the retarded fucking title.

Your welcome.

Thanks tucker!

But I would've...really.

FEOS wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

FEOS wrote:

They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.

I think US tourism to Cuba would explode, and that would definitely impact their economy.

It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.

I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.

Well, more than anything else, it seems much more asinine to waste resources on enforcing a useless embargo.

Acerider wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.

I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.

Well, more than anything else, it seems much more asinine to waste resources on enforcing a useless embargo.

Yeah. Firstly the embargo isn't cripling china, they're pretty self sufficient, and secondly, why stop all arms trade to China when the USA isn;t gonna give em any deadly weapos anyways? It's good to lift the embargo, the USA can sell tons of military equipment that china can't hurt anyone with. Besides... trading is good capitalism.

...News Flash...
A cargo plane can be used to support military equipment and soldiers. Hell, it can even drop a bomb.

Acerider wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.

I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.

Well, more than anything else, it seems much more asinine to waste resources on enforcing a useless embargo.

Yeah. Firstly the embargo isn't cripling china, they're pretty self sufficient, and secondly, why stop all arms trade to China when the USA isn;t gonna give em any deadly weapos anyways? It's good to lift the embargo, the USA can sell tons of military equipment that china can't hurt anyone with. Besides... trading is good capitalism.

I was actually referring to the Cuban one, but I suppose the China one is about equally as useless.

Provide some more links if you are going to say "this is all over the web". I couldn't find it on CNN or the NY Times...

Turquoise wrote:

Acerider wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, more than anything else, it seems much more asinine to waste resources on enforcing a useless embargo.

Yeah. Firstly the embargo isn't cripling china, they're pretty self sufficient, and secondly, why stop all arms trade to China when the USA isn;t gonna give em any deadly weapos anyways? It's good to lift the embargo, the USA can sell tons of military equipment that china can't hurt anyone with. Besides... trading is good capitalism.

I was actually referring to the Cuban one, but I suppose the China one is about equally as useless.

Yes. They're old grudges long overdue to be lifted. Like, once there was a good reason for them but now they're stupid.

Well, it's mostly on Chinese websites, they seem to be excited about it, even though it's just a few old cargo planes, updated or not.

BTW, The EU is looking to remove their embargo on China as well. Yay.

Large reputable news sources:

Time
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ … 47,00.html (Though this is more about europe than the USA, still interesting read though)

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4329613.stm

Chinese websites:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 … 61556.html

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010 … 391812.htm

http://english.eastday.com/e/101011/u1a5487268.html

Other sites:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/eu- … argo-0376/

Pubic wrote:

While they're reliable, hercs aren't really warplanes, they aren't really the cutting edge of technology, and China is certainly capable of creating something similar on their own.

Agreed. C-130's are quite efficient though. Good load, great range, decent speed, relatively cheap, reliable.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Acerider wrote:

Pubic wrote:

While they're reliable, hercs aren't really warplanes, they aren't really the cutting edge of technology, and China is certainly capable of creating something similar on their own.

Agreed. C-130's are quite efficient though. Good load, great range, decent speed, relatively cheap, reliable.

60 years old.

Good load, great range, decent speed, relatively cheap, reliable.