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Dilbert_X wrote:

Didn't seem to work in Vietnam.

Trotskygrad wrote:

Only way to win a war like that is total genocide tbh

I think thats to big a jump to make in my opinion.

I do not feel Vietnam is a good example to buttress your point of view. Rather it works in my favor. Vietnam had restrictions unbound on every level that rendered our advantages in Fire power and technology to a fraction of its worth. Vietnam Did not produce a big ratio of Non Combatant casualties compared to other wars. To your point some people push the Idea that labeling any casualties a "  Vietcong " was what kept these stats as such, This remains to be proved. In fairness, the Vietcong and to a large degree the PLAs strategy to hide and shield themselves with the population brought these type of casualties about.

　

Dilbert_X wrote:

You do know the plan was to sucker the US into a fight on AQs home turf, and widen the fight to other muslims? Mission accomplished - There was no reason to mount further attacks on the US.

That is some plan ! So they wanted are B52s AC130s AH1s and Drones over head. I have seen some Videos of their strategy at work. There master plan was to Have M1A1s rolling about with impunity. Young Foreign Soldiers flirting with their women a playing with their kids. Did Japan have a similar  goal to Lure the Enola Gay over head and suker it in ? I know German brass were thirsty to get those U.S.S.R. rape squads in close amongst the Berlin Females were they could Finally get at them.

Sorry - that was fun. But if there goal was to move the war out of our Cities and into their own I say " Thank God for that ".

if there goal was To Stymie The CIA efforts to hunt down every last Terror cell by bringing them into AFV on irregular infantry combat. cool !

I guess my question is ~  why then did they transition to IEDs which more often than not kill fellow muslims ?


　

Dilbert_X wrote:

Are you seriously saying the US really believed Saddam had WMD

Not to reopen this again but it seems that everyone else did. Also a WMD is not like purchasing the Grand Canyon or a Railway gun. It is just matter of acquiring the knowledge, the Material and team needed to assemble it. It could be dispersed or reintegrated at any moment. A nuclear device when used ( even a dirty bomb ) tends to have long lasting and long range effects, ( See Chernobyl ) Even if they used WMD as a rallying cry to help smooth the transition path to war I am glad we erred ( if we Erred ) on the side of caution.

Dilbert_X wrote:

or any plans to hand them over to AQ?

Do you really think, Say A-Q would hesitate for one second to employ it if they had one within there means ? Would you take this chance that maybe Not Sadam but a more Radical officer might be sympathetic to them and there cause ?
　
  Especially since obama has given the precise guidelines as ( how we would respond to what type of attack ) to work around ?

Dilbert_X wrote:

The exit strategy was unconditional surrender, of the Germans and Japanese.

No that was cause for cessation of hostilities, Sorry but we didn't EXIT We installed a military occupational Government of Japan after the War and I think a google search will show you were U.S. Bases are in Europe..

　

Dilbert_X wrote:

Better to pick an alternative strategy based around the available equipment rather than send your guys in, watch them get cut to pieces and then still fail to put any effort into getting the right gear

I am not sure but we had arguably the finest Armored Fighting Vehicle in the world employed as wall as B2 Spirt Bombers, F117 Night Hawks, Several Air Craft Carriers,.Satellites and drones. Was there something missing ? When the Conventional War Ended with The Iraqi armies Collapse it became Guerilla war and then IED's When you decide to wage a Guerilla War you are basically admitting Your enemy is " a good and honorable force )  and you wont massacre the innocents you hide among. Which I feel highlights the fact that even the insurgents know we are not there to slaughter. They wouldn't try to pul that of against 1940 Japan, U.S.S.R. or Roman Legions would they ?

Maybe we could make a poll among people who served there - if they felt, using their First hand Knowledge If "A-Q [sic] cut them to pieces! "

Dilbert_X wrote:

The press needs to be monitored and controlled? Wow.

Re Read Please

" Press freedom " I feel is tightly albeit complexly and delicately interwoven with the issue of propaganda in War

having any trouble yet ?

Its a difficult thing to address but it needs to be carefully monitored if not in some special cases controlled.

Get that ? I think its obvious your tactic was to deliberately misunderstand what I said. That never worked for CameronPoe either.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'd say that applies much more to the politicians than the press

I would have agreed if you had previously addressed this.You did not. When betrayal of trust and duty is practiced by politicians its called treason. I am sure my response would be as harsh as yours. If some one provided the Enemy withe solace, hope and propaganda during war just to advance their career it's despicable. Accusing " American Troops of Air Raiding, Women, Children and Villages " needs to be adressed

Dilbert_X wrote:

and we need press freedom to ensure it happens.

I don't think we really have Press or Press Freedom. I think Journalism has died in America'

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm more concerned about unaccountable rednecks with nuclear command codes

No need to be racist. If your out of Viable Ideas or information your best bet is to withdraw with some type of integrity and honor not yet in question.

Dilbert_X wrote:

and messiah complexes

I agree here but The press really doesn't hold obama accountable for this. He moves from " I am a Christian ! who spent 20 years in Rev. Whites Church and he baptized my kids " into " I never Heard him speak ! " with impunity as freely as he needs to. If the electorate feels this is not an issue so be it. I think it speaks to Character.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2010-09-13 09:51:45)

A New Car!

Fla. pastor wins car for canceling Quran burning

apparently Harry Reid saying that we lost the war in Iraq out of context demoralizes our troops.

and requires an apology.

Turquoise wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

apparently Harry Reid saying that we lost the war in Iraq out of context demoralizes our troops.

and requires an apology.

Nevadans are insane.  The fact that Angle even has a chance at winning is scary as hell.

Of course they're insane. They've elected/re-elected Reid how many times? Their judgment is clearly in question.

I hesitate to get into this thread, but freedom of speech/press can actually be used to the advantage of the military as a way to spread disinformation. So it can actually save military lives.

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I hesitate to get into this thread, but freedom of speech/press can actually be used to the advantage of the military as a way to spread disinformation. So it can actually save military lives.

Well hardly, the press doesn't willingly spread disinformation and when they discover they've been had they lash back.
eg The press being fooled into spreading the WMD rubbish prior to the Iraq invasion when they should have been questioning it.

Casus belli is one thing, but specific military strategy is another. You can describe one valid plan for them to run their mouths off about and instead go with another...while technically not fibbing in the process.

They can 'lash back' all they want about that.

There's 'willing' and then there's 'unwitting.'

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I hesitate to get into this thread, but freedom of speech/press can actually be used to the advantage of the military as a way to spread disinformation. So it can actually save military lives.

Well hardly, the press doesn't willingly spread disinformation and when they discover they've been had they lash back.
eg The press being fooled into spreading the WMD rubbish prior to the Iraq invasion when they should have been questioning it.

Casus belli is one thing, but specific military strategy is another. You can describe one valid plan for them to run their mouths off about and instead go with another...while technically not fibbing in the process.

They can 'lash back' all they want about that.

This was done in Desert Storm. The media were given access to the marines who were doing practice landings. The marines were just a feint but they kept Saddam occupied since he got most of his info from CNN etc.

Please watch that spacing Turq, kids will start to sniffle and feel bad. Add some italics and they'll start to moan.

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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Please watch that spacing Turq, kids will start to sniffle and feel bad. Add some italics and they'll start to moan.

I kinda thought people were becoming accustomed to your somewhat unique post formatting. I don't know why felt the need to post that though, it changes nothing.

this thread is full of idiots that make me laugh everytime i read their words

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