lolShahter wrote:
stalin did it just right. barbarous methods in dealings with barbarians always give best results.Trotskygrad wrote:
So your solution is wall it off and shoot anybody who comes running out with a gun?Shahter wrote:
ffs, guys, this thread is so fucked up it's not even funny.
chechens have been sitting in their fucking caucasus mountains for longer than your "great nation of usa" have been "the most perfect union". and all that time they've been fighting their neighbours, which, among others, included russians. the grudge they bear towards anything russian is pretty much alike that between modern israelis and palestinians and just about as old. there's no way of untieing that bloody knot, so soviets, being practical people as they were, did the only logical thing - the same thing the free and the brave at their time did to native americans.
unfortunately, chechens - with foreign support, no doubt - have been allowed to re-assemble, arm and establish new ties to islamist movements, mainly of wahhabbist nature. what the result was - is what you've been googling up here.
and if they just want to escape, let them go?
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stalin back to georgia!
Yeah they do if you don't take the human being factor into the equation.Shahter wrote:
stalin did it just right. barbarous methods in dealings with barbarians always give best results.
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when those murdering chechen beasts start behaving like human beings - get back to me and we'll discuss this further.dayarath wrote:
Yeah they do if you don't take the human being factor into the equation.Shahter wrote:
stalin did it just right. barbarous methods in dealings with barbarians always give best results.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
There's 1 million people who live in Chechnya, can't tell me they're all a bunch of barbarians, obviously though your conflict seems to be like that of Israel/Palestine only being fought for a much longer period of time - and there's never one party at fault.Shahter wrote:
when those murdering chechen beasts start behaving like human beings - get back to me and we'll discuss this further.
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have you ever seen one? or had people you know taken hostage and held for ransom? no? well, come over, i'll take you to "chechen town" in moscow if you have the nerve and you'll see for yourself.dayarath wrote:
There's 1 million people who live in Chechnya, can't tell me they're all a bunch of barbarians,Shahter wrote:
when those murdering chechen beasts start behaving like human beings - get back to me and we'll discuss this further.
it's not a matter of the conflict being like anything else, and neither it's about how long has it been fought - it's not even about who's at fault (if that's even possible to tell, which i doubt). it is all about resolution of the conflict, and the only methods that ever worked in this kinda situations happen to be what stalin did to chechens, what the free and the brave did to native americans and so on.obviously though your conflict seems to be like that of Israel/Palestine only being fought for a much longer period of time - and there's never one party at fault.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Moscow would be my next holiday destination once I get the money (that can take a long time though...) so I'd actually be happy to .Shahter wrote:
have you ever seen one? or had people you know taken hostage and held for ransom? no? well, come over, i'll take you to "chechen town" in moscow if you have the nerve and you'll see for yourself.
It works on the short term, the problem is once you terrorize an entire group of people in such ways any possibility for reconciliation has pretty much dwindled. You can't leave your enemy beaten, bloody and broken but still alive. Might aswell just level the whole place.Shahter wrote:
it's not a matter of the conflict being like anything else, and neither it's about how long has it been fought - it's not even about who's at fault (if that's even possible to tell, which i doubt). it is all about resolution of the conflict, and the only methods that ever worked in this kinda situations happen to be what stalin did to chechens, what the free and the brave did to native americans and so on.
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who said anything about reconciliation? fuck that, one can leave his enemy beaten, bloody, broken but sill alive... fixing roads, buiding dams or working in uranium mines.dayarath wrote:
It works on the short term, the problem is once you terrorize an entire group of people in such ways any possibility for reconciliation has pretty much dwindled. You can't leave your enemy beaten, bloody and broken but still alive. Might aswell just level the whole place.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
The govt was fine with that, and encouraged it, since it avoided a draft, getting off-topic though.JohnG@lt wrote:
Ok, thanks for the correction. The rest of it still stands though. The money the KBR dudes were making while sitting on their asses was obscene. Same goes for the Blackwater guys that took their military training, training the Army spent millions on, and said "thanks for the training, peace, I'm gonna go charge you quadruple for my services now".
As for Chechnya, do they have significant resources the Russians want?
The USSR is gone, the Russians should get over it and go home.
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yes.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for Chechnya, do they have significant resources the Russians want?
chechnia'd been a part of russia long before ussr was formed.Dilbert_X wrote:
The USSR is gone, the Russians should get over it and go home.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
What resources? Chechnya is so tiny compared to Russia, any natural resources it might have are but a fraction of the total of Russia.Shahter wrote:
yes.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for Chechnya, do they have significant resources the Russians want?
Chechyna was anexed by Russia in the late 1890's, thus only a few decades before the reovlutions that formed the USSR began. And since then, they have been revolting.Shahter wrote:
chechnia'd been a part of russia long before ussr was formed.Dilbert_X wrote:
The USSR is gone, the Russians should get over it and go home.
Why won't Russia let it go? Is it fear that it might look weak and spark others to fight for independence as well?
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youre gonna sell em fire water and small pox blankets?Shahter wrote:
what the free and the brave did to native americans and so on.
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Gotta burn this village to save it.
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there's oil.EVieira wrote:
What resources? Chechnya is so tiny compared to Russia, any natural resources it might have are but a fraction of the total of Russia.Shahter wrote:
yes.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for Chechnya, do they have significant resources the Russians want?
de-ure - yes. de-facto it's been a russian province since about the time of Ekaterina II. i know, i know, that sounds like bullshit, but if israeli's seem to get away with similar logic why not us?EVieira wrote:
Chechyna was anexed by Russia in the late 1890's,Shahter wrote:
chechnia'd been a part of russia long before ussr was formed.Dilbert_X wrote:
The USSR is gone, the Russians should get over it and go home.
they have been "revolting" forever.thus only a few decades before the reovlutions that formed the USSR began. And since then, they have been revolting.
oil.Why won't Russia let it go?
that too.Is it fear that it might look weak and spark others to fight for independence as well?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Oil and Dominance. At least from Russia we get straight answers.Shahter wrote:
there's oil.EVieira wrote:
What resources? Chechnya is so tiny compared to Russia, any natural resources it might have are but a fraction of the total of Russia.Shahter wrote:
yes.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for Chechnya, do they have significant resources the Russians want?de-ure - yes. de-facto it's been a russian province since about the time of Ekaterina II. i know, i know, that sounds like bullshit, but if israeli's seem to get away with similar logic why not us?EVieira wrote:
Chechyna was anexed by Russia in the late 1890's,Shahter wrote:
chechnia'd been a part of russia long before ussr was formed.they have been "revolting" forever.thus only a few decades before the reovlutions that formed the USSR began. And since then, they have been revolting.oil.Why won't Russia let it go?that too.Is it fear that it might look weak and spark others to fight for independence as well?
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Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
lol while we appreciate the credit for this tactic this was done by euros. us wasnt even a country yet. so shatler you come off sounding like a complete fucktard.eleven bravo wrote:
youre gonna sell em fire water and small pox blankets?Shahter wrote:
what the free and the brave did to native americans and so on.
custer is my hero. oh and andrew jackason taht guy was a badass. caned someone who tried to assassinate him.11 Bravo wrote:
lol while we appreciate the credit for this tactic this was done by euros. us wasnt even a country yet. so shatler you come off sounding like a complete fucktard.eleven bravo wrote:
youre gonna sell em fire water and small pox blankets?Shahter wrote:
what the free and the brave did to native americans and so on.
i thought once the usa was independent expansion to the west picked up
didn't even need to fight, the flu killed everyone
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still wasnt a country.SEREVENT wrote:
i thought once the usa was independent expansion to the west picked up
spain inveted the whole blanket thing.11 Bravo wrote:
still wasnt a country.SEREVENT wrote:
i thought once the usa was independent expansion to the west picked up
doesn't surprise me it was the spanish there, the shit they pulled during colonisation... jeez.
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excellent kd ratiodayarath wrote:
doesn't surprise me it was the spanish there, the shit they pulled during colonisation... jeez.
* freedom fightersShahter wrote:
when those murdering chechen beasts start behaving like human beings - get back to me and we'll discuss this further.dayarath wrote:
Yeah they do if you don't take the human being factor into the equation.Shahter wrote:
stalin did it just right. barbarous methods in dealings with barbarians always give best results.
after what the russians did to the chechen people, i can understand their anger. give 'em back their country and everything is gonna be fine