asian immigration. you know how those asians love going to college.JohnG@lt wrote:
False. Artificially inflated because of government subsidies.Cybargs wrote:
supply and demand.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Why does no one Rail against " Big Education " why do their costs go up ?
lol i got into a shouting match yesterday with a asian driverCybargs wrote:
asian immigration. you know how those asians love going to college.JohnG@lt wrote:
False. Artificially inflated because of government subsidies.Cybargs wrote:
supply and demand.
The kid isn't rich then, only his parents.11 Bravo wrote:
you mad? that kid out of high school hasnt paid for shit yet...his parents but not him.DrunkFace wrote:
Well I disagree.Turquoise wrote:
A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.
Entry to University should be entirely merit based for all students and you or your parents economic situation should not even be a consideration.
On top of that. Why shouldn't a rich kid get a tax subsidised scholarship? They're probably paying more tax then you to start with, why should they be forced to pay for your poor arse and then have to pay for themselves as well?
That makes no sense what so ever...11 Bravo wrote:
drunkface it sounds like you want a society of royalty and peasants only?
the kid is rich....he just doesnt pay taxes since it is not his income.
The only people I've ever met that really complained about the cost of college areCybargs wrote:
drunkface you have to realize most of the time when a poor kid applies to harvard they pretty much get a free ride. makes for good PR as well. public colleges are dirt cheap enough and you can apply for grants/FASFA. no one really gets fucked.
1) parents who didn't do any research and were surprised when their kid wanted to go to college
2) people paying their own way and wasting time and money because they don't have a clue what they want to do with their life
3) people who have decided that they want to major in something that offers next to zero job prospects when finished. They see a lifetime of $30k a year jobs and no reasonable hope of paying off their loans.
In each of those cases it's their own damn fault.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Alright, I guess I need to clarify what I meant.DrunkFace wrote:
Yeh, for a small select few. You must have missed the all students. I even bolded the all.Cybargs wrote:
They do its called a MERIT scholarship. if a poor kid does really well in school he can get both a merit and need base scholarship.Not if your school system isn't fucked.If you make all scholarships a merit based when it just fucks over the poorer students even more.You don't see a problem with that? And by entry I also mean a feasible method of actually attending/paying. Getting into Harvard is pointless unless you have a way of paying.Edit: Drunkface if you're talking about entry, it's all merit and arguably race based. Asians get shafted the most coz they "study harder" and black kids get into colleges a lot easier. my black friend got into SUNY albany with a 2.8 GPA and a 1530 SAT score. shit she even knows she got in coz she black.
Also GPA and SAT are just meaningless random numbers to me.
I think the best possible system would involve need-based scholarships that would help smart but poor students to get into college.
As for the poor kids that aren't that smart, they can get one of the lower skilled jobs available on the open market. That's all they'll probably amount to anyway.
And for the rich kids (the smart ones at least), yeah, there are merit based scholarships available to them -- just like the ones available to smart kids in general.
Rich kids that aren't that smart are already covered by their parents and don't need a scholarship.
Yes, assets are considered as well.
F*ck!!!!nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, assets are considered as well.
Sell up, buy a place in the Cayman islands, and then rent something shitty until all your kids are through school.Ilocano wrote:
F*ck!!!!nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, assets are considered as well.
or just go to a country where the education system's tuition and funding isn't retarded
like this country, now
like this country, now
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Bout 10k a year if i remember rightCybargs wrote:
how much does UK uni charges for non-citizens?Uzique wrote:
or just go to a country where the education system's tuition and funding isn't retarded
like this country, now
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
thats in pounds right? still costs less for out of state US public school students (around 20-30k usd)presidentsheep wrote:
Bout 10k a year if i remember rightCybargs wrote:
how much does UK uni charges for non-citizens?Uzique wrote:
or just go to a country where the education system's tuition and funding isn't retarded
like this country, now
It depends on the state. In NC, some out-of-state students pay less than they would pay for in-state. This is why NC gets a lot of students from other states and from other countries. Our tuition rates are dirt cheap compared to a lot of the U.S.Cybargs wrote:
thats in pounds right? still costs less for out of state US public school students (around 20-30k usd)presidentsheep wrote:
Bout 10k a year if i remember rightCybargs wrote:
how much does UK uni charges for non-citizens?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11829102
personally i think this latest 'development' in the movement is all bollocks. camping an extremely valuable picture-gallery at our university and sitting there all night tweeting about your 'revolutionary activity' isn't going to do much about the proposed national-level cuts. aggrieving our poor old principal as if he has anything to do with executive policy making is a fucking joke. it's just silly.
although the same movement did hold up these 2 top officials
Students have staged occupations at universities including Royal Holloway College, Plymouth, Warwick, Birmingham, London South Bank, University College London, Essex, Cardiff and UWE Bristol.
In the iconic Bodleian Library in Oxford, students are planning to hold a "teach-in" as part of the occupation.
In Birmingham, students called on the university authorities to reject what they call a "socially regressive plan that will limit access to education".
Students staging an occupation at University College London said they were protesting against "savage cuts to higher education and government attempts to force society to pay for a crisis it didn't cause".
personally i think this latest 'development' in the movement is all bollocks. camping an extremely valuable picture-gallery at our university and sitting there all night tweeting about your 'revolutionary activity' isn't going to do much about the proposed national-level cuts. aggrieving our poor old principal as if he has anything to do with executive policy making is a fucking joke. it's just silly.
although the same movement did hold up these 2 top officials
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but it's a great excuse to meet/pick up chicks and do nasty deeds, which is probably the main reason most people are getting involved in all this...its just all about networking, even when it isn'tpersonally i think this latest 'development' in the movement is all bollocks. camping an extremely valuable picture-gallery at our university and sitting there all night tweeting about your 'revolutionary activity' isn't going to do much about the proposed national-level cuts. aggrieving our poor old principle as if he has anything to do with executive policy making is a fucking joke. it's just silly.
A lot of college kids go to university because their parents made them and they don't really have a direction in life, nor do they enjoy what they're studying. They do this kind of shit because it makes them feel important and like they're actually doing something useful with their lives. But more than that, they need to make sure everyone else knows that they're doing this and it'll be a waste if no one else knows about it.Mekstizzle wrote:
but it's a great excuse to meet/pick up chicks and do nasty deeds, which is probably the main reason most people are getting involved in all this...its just all about networking, even when it isn'tpersonally i think this latest 'development' in the movement is all bollocks. camping an extremely valuable picture-gallery at our university and sitting there all night tweeting about your 'revolutionary activity' isn't going to do much about the proposed national-level cuts. aggrieving our poor old principle as if he has anything to do with executive policy making is a fucking joke. it's just silly.
These are the kind of kids whose only goal in high school was to be popular and have become disillusioned with how the real world actually works.
i'd say that the average student profile of the cat that camped our founders building was the socially awkward, not-so-popular yet 'active' student. you know, the busy-bodies that love feeling important by getting involved with the student union, on-campus societies, events, 'politics' (whatever that excuse for a 'popularity' contest is called), and so on. it's definitely not a bunch of trendy cats having an impromptu party in the principal's quarters. we're all at the bar, laughing.
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I guess the protesters don't get that austerity measures have to be made.
of course they prefer to go to the top-toff university in the country so they can shout anti-tory slogans and feel 'radical'
funny really how 'establishment' they are, as well as everything about their background/lives...
but they sure do like to play anarchists!
funny really how 'establishment' they are, as well as everything about their background/lives...
but they sure do like to play anarchists!
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And then they take jobs in the city.Uzique wrote:
of course they prefer to go to the top-toff university in the country so they can shout anti-tory slogans and feel 'radical'
funny really how 'establishment' they are, as well as everything about their background/lives...
but they sure do like to play anarchists!
Fuck Israel
"Out of state" is a little different to international.Cybargs wrote:
thats in pounds right? still costs less for out of state US public school students (around 20-30k usd)presidentsheep wrote:
Bout 10k a year if i remember rightCybargs wrote:
how much does UK uni charges for non-citizens?