Imploded speaker element

2010-11-29 18:50:55

#1

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

So, I'm pretty sure this happened on the flight over from Norway, and I haven't had the energy to start looking at it before now. Basically, when I unpacked my suitcase one of my speakers had an imploded element - ie, the outside part was 'sucked' inward, and it's lost all the 'bounce' that it normally has.

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/30112010040.jpg

I've opened it up and cannot see an obvious way to 'push' it out again. Is there any way I can fix it? And if not, how would I go about replacing it (ie finding a new one that fits both with the broken speaker and its partner).

It's a Mission M70, btw.

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/26774/flickricon.png

2010-11-29 19:02:14

#2

Bevo: Nah; +718|6778|Austin, Texas

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2010-11-29 19:04:16

#3

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5226|Dundee, Scotland.

Bevo wrote:
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2010-11-29 19:18:17

#4

alexb: <3; +590|6197|Kentucky, USA

Jenspm wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure this happened on the flight over from Norway, and I haven't had the energy to start looking at it before now. Basically, when I unpacked my suitcase one of my speakers had an imploded element - ie, the outside part was 'sucked' inward, and it's lost all the 'bounce' that it normally has.

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/30112010040.jpg

I've opened it up and cannot see an obvious way to 'push' it out again. Is there any way I can fix it? And if not, how would I go about replacing it (ie finding a new one that fits both with the broken speaker and its partner).

It's a Mission M70, btw.

Do the speakers still sound fine? It seems to be that the dust cap is inward from that picture, which is okay. You can try using a piece of tape to try to pull it back out, but make sure the tape won't leave any stick residue or it won't tear it.

Nvm, it looks like the actual speaker diaphragm has collapsed too.

Last edited by alexb (2010-11-29 19:19:47)

2010-11-29 22:26:45

#5

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6238|Toronto

If I understand what you're saying, the speaker's diaphragm is sucked in? Can you take the entire driver out? If so, just do so and (very!) lightly pusk on the centre (plastic, I think) part of it. But make sure it's not stuck to anything first.

Else, just take it to an audio shop.

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2010-11-30 05:54:23

#6

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Which part exactly?

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/30112010041.jpg

I can push the entire thing upward (so that it pulls on the beige part), but that doesn't really help..

2010-11-30 06:07:53

#7

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6257|The Mitten

Can I still purchase replacement parts for my Mission speakers even though they are out of warranty?
Yes. Mission endeavours to carry a comprehensive range of replacement parts for many years covering both current and discontinued models. Typically, these will include spares items such as tweeters, woofers, grilles, plinths and foot spike sets. Please contact our service desk on +44 (0)1480 452561 or e-mail to spares@mission.co.uk for prices and availability

http://www.mission-hifi.com/faq.php#43

EE (hats

2010-11-30 06:13:13

#8

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6257|The Mitten

actually, now that I think about it, what do you mean "lost all the bounce"? Did you freeze the voice coil?

EE (hats

2010-11-30 06:22:05

#9

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Sweet, thanks Morpheus

I've sent them an e-mail asking for the price/availability

(if anyone has any ideas on how to fix it on my own, however, I'll of course try, then look for a repair shop and then (if needed) get a new one)

2010-11-30 06:24:27

#10

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Morpheus wrote:
actually, now that I think about it, what do you mean "lost all the bounce"? Did you freeze the voice coil?

umm, I have no idea.

Basically, you know how when you press the element (or diaphragm or whatever) of a speaker, it'll go inward, and then bounce back when you let go?

It is now pressed all the way in, so to speak, and is stuck.

2010-11-30 07:02:16

#11

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6257|The Mitten

Ah. Yea. You'll need a new driver, then...

EE (hats

2010-11-30 07:45:49

#12

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

spares@mission.co.uk

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 Unknown user (state 14).

...and they didn't pick up the phone..

will try again tomorrow

2010-11-30 07:51:06

#13

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6257|The Mitten

Here's the other service page I found.... mabye it'll have more info?
http://www.mission-hifi.com/service.php

EE (hats

2010-11-30 08:09:36

#14

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6257|The Mitten

Or try this:
SG ACOUSTIC
Country: UK
Contact: Miss Anne Oliver
Tel: 00 44 14 8044 7700
Service E-Mail: rob@iaguk.co.uk
http://www.mission.co.uk/Distributor.aspx?Tab=29

EE (hats

2010-11-30 08:11:41

#15

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Thanks for both of those!

I've sent them both an e-mail, if the don't reply within a couple of days I'll give them a call.

2010-11-30 10:06:31

#16

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6238|Toronto

Jenspm wrote:
Which part exactly?

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/30112010041.jpg

I can push the entire thing upward (so that it pulls on the beige part), but that doesn't really help..

Ach. No, never mind. In order to get that loose you'd have to remove the coil. You could try that, but it's likely something bad will happen.

Edit: looking at the pic again, looks like your spider (the beige bit) is indeed stuck to the magnet. Is that possible?

Last edited by TSI (2010-11-30 10:11:28)

I like pie.

2010-11-30 12:12:47

#17

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

It looks like it's gotten a pretty bad bump, one way or another. I doubt it's salvageable.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-11-30 22:48:46

#18

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6363|eXtreme to the maX

Does it still work?

Some speakers are made with a concave centre dome, like my Mordaunt Shorts, the soft convex centre is simply a way of preventing the woofer generating certain harmonics and frequencies which are better left to the tweeter IIRC.

If you can't pull it out, with sticky tape or a vacuum cleaner nozzle (set it on very low or open the bypass hole in the hose), and if it works I'd just push the other one in to match.

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2010-12-01 07:32:26

#19

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

Dilbert_X wrote:
Does it still work?

Some speakers are made with a concave centre dome, like my Mordaunt Shorts, the soft convex centre is simply a way of preventing the woofer generating certain harmonics and frequencies which are better left to the tweeter IIRC.

If you can't pull it out, with sticky tape or a vacuum cleaner nozzle (set it on very low or open the bypass hole in the hose), and if it works I'd just push the other one in to match.

That's not his problem. His problem is that the whole cone assembly is pushed (and stuck) in as far as it goes. See the spider (the orange-ish bit) in the second picture? It's supposed to be flat, not tilting inwards.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-12-01 08:09:38

#20

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Oh, sorry, the whole cone assembly isn't stuck, it's only the top 'layer' (I think that's what Dilbert is talking about). I can push the cone up and down and drag the spider with it..

Here's a pic of it all the way up:

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/01122010042.jpg

It does work in the sense that sound comes out of it, but it's quite a bit quieter than the other speaker..

2010-12-01 12:55:12

#21

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6728

oh man, jens, they are such first-year accommodation curtains

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2010-12-01 13:16:30

#22

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

Jenspm wrote:
Oh, sorry, the whole cone assembly isn't stuck, it's only the top 'layer' (I think that's what Dilbert is talking about). I can push the cone up and down and drag the spider with it..

Here's a pic of it all the way up:

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/6922/01122010042.jpg

It does work in the sense that sound comes out of it, but it's quite a bit quieter than the other speaker..

Oh.

I assume you feel and hear a scratching noise when you move it up and down? If so, you're probably dealing with a dislocated magnet.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-12-01 13:28:12

#23

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

Freezer7Pro wrote:
I assume you feel and hear a scratching noise when you move it up and down?

yes

beyond repair?

2010-12-01 13:36:30

#24

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6455|Winland

Jenspm wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
I assume you feel and hear a scratching noise when you move it up and down?
yes

beyond repair?

Yeh, pretty much. You could disassemble the magnet and re-glue it, but it's a rather tedious process, especially for shielded magnets. It definitely isn't worth it for that speaker.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-12-01 13:39:06)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-12-01 13:38:03

#25

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6990|St. Andrews / Oslo

ok then, at least I know I need a new one..

Let's hope someone has a replacement

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