All you have to do is admit that you have your own taste for governmental coercion. Everyone does. It's not a Stalin/Gandhi equation. We each have our own authoritarian sides.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're destroying public and private property. Clearly the police are ineffective. Did I say kill? No. Forcing them to behave is quite another story.Turquoise wrote:
Now wait a minute... I thought you were saying I would like Stalinism.... hmmmmJohnG@lt wrote:
This is your present and your future England. Bunch of self righteous entitled scum. Declare marshal law already and send in the military to beat the fuck out of them.
No, I know people who went to the first big protest but I think everyone realised that this one wasn't going to do anything. This protest, at least from the live footage I've been watching of it, appeared to be a much higher percentage of troublemakers than the other one.Uzique wrote:
it's a very small minority. are you really that stupid ghetto? do you not know people yourself at the protests?
great job though at being all political with your snide comments on facebook/twitter, you're a real social revolutionary
No, I simply believe strongly in property rights. If they want to protest and make fools of themselves be my guest. They're acting like spoiled children, starting fires, and putting up graffiti everywhere. Fuck that. Someone has to pay for that.Turquoise wrote:
All you have to do is admit that you have your own taste for governmental coercion. Everyone does. It's not a Stalin/Gandhi equation. We each have our own authoritarian sides.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're destroying public and private property. Clearly the police are ineffective. Did I say kill? No. Forcing them to behave is quite another story.Turquoise wrote:
Now wait a minute... I thought you were saying I would like Stalinism.... hmmmm
Perfect solution!Jaekus wrote:
I don't think it was a plan from the start. People's emotions get pretty high and so it's like a tinderbox, some troublemakers come along and start smashing things and the rest of them find it the way to get their emotions and frustration released.
And sending in the military, great idea Mr Chairman Mao
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
what does a shitty prep school have to do with anything? and isn't it ironic that you complain about costs straight after encouraging the parents to cough up? oooookay. i think the students are angry that the good principle of our education-accessibility is being sacrificed as part of austere financial measures that have NOTHING to do with the student population. why are we paying for the older generation's foolish mistakes and avarice?Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
how is a personal loan with interest having 'your parents' pay it? isn't that personal financial responsibility?JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
Because shit always gets kicked down hill. Over on this side of the pond, my generation is going to end up paying off all the debt the baby boomers racked up. Then we get to pay for their retirement on top of it. Fun stuff.Uzique wrote:
what does a shitty prep school have to do with anything? and isn't it ironic that you complain about costs straight after encouraging the parents to cough up? oooookay. i think the students are angry that the good principle of our education-accessibility is being sacrificed as part of austere financial measures that have NOTHING to do with the student population. why are we paying for the older generation's foolish mistakes and avarice?Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
Never got into Twitter, sorry. I won't be charged 3x as much, and neither will you. It's the kids starting in 2012 that have the pay increases. Which is one thing that annoys me about it, if it were all 6th formers out there protesting you'd feel a little sorry for them, but instead it's just a bunch of whiny students who love having a cause to get behind and something to feel important about. It doesn't affect them.Uzique wrote:
but sitting on twitter acting as though you don't mind being charged 3x as much is a real accomplishment, eh
people like YOU are the future, it seems. completely pointless.
Who subsidizes their tuitions? Does the government print money? No. That money comes out of the taxes their parents pay. So unless they want their parents taxes raised further to keep their tuition lower... wait, doesn't that mean that tuition goes up either way? Well damnUzique wrote:
how is a personal loan with interest having 'your parents' pay it? isn't that personal financial responsibility?JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
what are you even talking about? perhaps "moron" isn't a word you should be throwing around
Except not everyone pays the same amount. Like Mello Roos. Same benefits, amenities, school, etc. But the guy with the more expensive property pays more.JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
sorry ghetto, you're wrong. a huge number of the protestors are of the age that are immediately concerned with these changes. and how do you know that somebody of our age, 18-21, isn't affected? do you have no postgraduate ambitions, at all, at any point in your life? doesn't really surprise me, tbh. and i don't really know with what financial logic you talk about a loan repayment of £12k taking the same number of years as £35k. what sort of shitty repayment scheme are you talking about?ghettoperson wrote:
Never got into Twitter, sorry. I won't be charged 3x as much, and neither will you. It's the kids starting in 2012 that have the pay increases. Which is one thing that annoys me about it, if it were all 6th formers out there protesting you'd feel a little sorry for them, but instead it's just a bunch of whiny students who love having a cause to get behind and something to feel important about. It doesn't affect them.Uzique wrote:
but sitting on twitter acting as though you don't mind being charged 3x as much is a real accomplishment, eh
people like YOU are the future, it seems. completely pointless.
I still don't see why it should make a difference. We have student loans. You'll still pay them off over about 20 years. It just means perhaps people will think a little harder about whether they're going to university to learn or get drunk.
I don't think it's the best solution, but I'm also not naive enough to believe that in a time when the government is having to cut everything, students can continue doing their wanky film studies course at South Bank University, costing the taxpayer a fortune and producing nothing of value at the end of it. The money has to come from somewhere, the obvious place to start is the people who are partaking in the education.
But that just makes sense. He clearly uses the roads and schools more because he's wealthy. He clearly uses the police and firefighters services more often. Punish the successful guy and bring him down to our level. That'll show him not to try to be better than anyone else.Ilocano wrote:
Except not everyone pays the same amount. Like Mello Roos. Same benefits, amenities, school, etc. But the guy with the more expensive property pays more.JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
If people were paying out of their own pocket for whatever courses they desired to take, no one would say a word. When that education is being subsidized by the tax base, they have a right to expect a return. It's an investment on their part.Uzique wrote:
sorry ghetto, you're wrong. a huge number of the protestors are of the age that are immediately concerned with these changes. and how do you know that somebody of our age, 18-21, isn't affected? do you have no postgraduate ambitions, at all, at any point in your life? doesn't really surprise me, tbh. and i don't really know with what financial logic you talk about a loan repayment of £12k taking the same number of years as £35k. what sort of shitty repayment scheme are you talking about?ghettoperson wrote:
Never got into Twitter, sorry. I won't be charged 3x as much, and neither will you. It's the kids starting in 2012 that have the pay increases. Which is one thing that annoys me about it, if it were all 6th formers out there protesting you'd feel a little sorry for them, but instead it's just a bunch of whiny students who love having a cause to get behind and something to feel important about. It doesn't affect them.Uzique wrote:
but sitting on twitter acting as though you don't mind being charged 3x as much is a real accomplishment, eh
people like YOU are the future, it seems. completely pointless.
I still don't see why it should make a difference. We have student loans. You'll still pay them off over about 20 years. It just means perhaps people will think a little harder about whether they're going to university to learn or get drunk.
I don't think it's the best solution, but I'm also not naive enough to believe that in a time when the government is having to cut everything, students can continue doing their wanky film studies course at South Bank University, costing the taxpayer a fortune and producing nothing of value at the end of it. The money has to come from somewhere, the obvious place to start is the people who are partaking in the education.
and why is it that course-elitism always comes up in these discussions? it's a matter of discussing liberal/humanist principles of education, not a chance to smarmily assert your crappy keele university course over anyone else's life decisions. give it a rest you ineffectual prick.
What do you expect? You can afford a snazzy house but can't afford college?Ilocano wrote:
Except not everyone pays the same amount. Like Mello Roos. Same benefits, amenities, school, etc. But the guy with the more expensive property pays more.JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
If he's so much better than all the other people, he should welcome a handicap. That will make it feel even better when he makes money in the future.JohnG@lt wrote:
But that just makes sense. He clearly uses the roads and schools more because he's wealthy. He clearly uses the police and firefighters services more often. Punish the successful guy and bring him down to our level. That'll show him not to try to be better than anyone else.Ilocano wrote:
Except not everyone pays the same amount. Like Mello Roos. Same benefits, amenities, school, etc. But the guy with the more expensive property pays more.JohnG@lt wrote:
They want tuition to stay low, well, guess who pays for that either way? Their parents. Bunch of fucking morons.
My point was that paying 50 quid a month off whether that is for 10 years or 20 is largely irrelevant. It isn't going to affect anyone's financial well-being.Uzique wrote:
sorry ghetto, you're wrong. a huge number of the protestors are of the age that are immediately concerned with these changes. and how do you know that somebody of our age, 18-21, isn't affected? do you have no postgraduate ambitions, at all, at any point in your life? doesn't really surprise me, tbh. and i don't really know with what financial logic you talk about a loan repayment of £12k taking the same number of years as £35k. what sort of shitty repayment scheme are you talking about?ghettoperson wrote:
Never got into Twitter, sorry. I won't be charged 3x as much, and neither will you. It's the kids starting in 2012 that have the pay increases. Which is one thing that annoys me about it, if it were all 6th formers out there protesting you'd feel a little sorry for them, but instead it's just a bunch of whiny students who love having a cause to get behind and something to feel important about. It doesn't affect them.Uzique wrote:
but sitting on twitter acting as though you don't mind being charged 3x as much is a real accomplishment, eh
people like YOU are the future, it seems. completely pointless.
I still don't see why it should make a difference. We have student loans. You'll still pay them off over about 20 years. It just means perhaps people will think a little harder about whether they're going to university to learn or get drunk.
I don't think it's the best solution, but I'm also not naive enough to believe that in a time when the government is having to cut everything, students can continue doing their wanky film studies course at South Bank University, costing the taxpayer a fortune and producing nothing of value at the end of it. The money has to come from somewhere, the obvious place to start is the people who are partaking in the education.
and why is it that course-elitism always comes up in these discussions? it's a matter of discussing liberal/humanist principles of education, not a chance to smarmily assert your crappy keele university course over anyone else's life decisions. give it a rest you ineffectual prick.
^^JohnG@lt wrote:
If people were paying out of their own pocket for whatever courses they desired to take, no one would say a word. When that education is being subsidized by the tax base, they have a right to expect a return. It's an investment on their part.
