BF2S Forums Tuition Fees - Standardised? Privatised?

11 Bravo wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

this discussion is stupid.  nobody cares what they do in aussie land ffs.

Nor do they care about americaville.

well the people we let in care...but you dont care about that, right?  racists

No, not really. Why should I care about the few people you let in. I have over a quarter of our population to worry about.

presidentsheep wrote:

23.5k is the average graduates income.
The point i'm trying to make is that it's a large increase, one that will put off average/poorer students. Assuming you've got no money going into this you're loaning 9k for tuition fees plus another 6 or 7 for accommodation etc.
45k debt for the rest of your life to pay off seems like quite a large chunk to me.

@galt: i suppose 15k is just spare change to you?

23.5K average graduate income?  Then yeah, 30K over 20 years is chump change.  If they are blowing off their money on parties, booze, expensive material things first, well, tough shit.

ghettoperson wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

23.5k is the average graduates income.
The point i'm trying to make is that it's a large increase, one that will put off average/poorer students. Assuming you've got no money going into this you're loaning 9k for tuition fees plus another 6 or 7 for accommodation etc.
45k debt for the rest of your life to pay off seems like quite a large chunk to me.

@galt: i suppose 15k is just spare change to you?

It just sounds like you're incapable of thinking in the long term. Accommodation costs is around 3k, and often a lot less, so don't get too carried away.

In the capital? think again.

Uzique wrote:

i know a lot of parents that would argue that, after putting their child through top private education from age 8-18, they should get into their own fucking debt when it comes to university. paying £20 grand a year to put a kid through public school is enough of the 'parental duties', methinks, let alone the £35k+ for university study.

Our private schools have merit based scholarships as well.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i know a lot of parents that would argue that, after putting their child through top private education from age 8-18, they should get into their own fucking debt when it comes to university. paying £20 grand a year to put a kid through public school is enough of the 'parental duties', methinks, let alone the £35k+ for university study.

Our private schools have merit based scholarships as well.

And here we were, planning to retire when our kids went to Harvard.  Then realized they also count assets.

Getting 3A's gets me a whole massive £0 scholarship...

edit: for those of us who's mama and papa dont own kent, london is the best bet for good universities.

Last edited by presidentsheep (2010-12-09 16:09:19)

Ilocano wrote:

Uzique wrote:

in what utopian fantasy world are you living in where you think social mobility is so efficient that every 'gifted' child gets a freebie scholarship?

We have a shitload of scholarships.  Top universities seek out top academics almost as much as top athletes.

We dont. we had a bursary scheme that's now being almost eliminated.

presidentsheep wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Uzique wrote:

in what utopian fantasy world are you living in where you think social mobility is so efficient that every 'gifted' child gets a freebie scholarship?

We have a shitload of scholarships.  Top universities seek out top academics almost as much as top athletes.

We dont. we had a bursary scheme that's now being almost eliminated.

Which brings us back to a prior notion on this thread.  We have a significant foundation/endowment system at our Uni's.   Over tax the wealthy enough, and they won't give as much, which in the long run, hurts the poor more than the rich.

Ilocano wrote:

Uzique wrote:

in what utopian fantasy world are you living in where you think social mobility is so efficient that every 'gifted' child gets a freebie scholarship?

We have a shitload of scholarships.  Top universities seek out top academics almost as much as top athletes.

University of Sydney Outstanding Achievement Scholarships

For: Local students with an ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admission Rank) of 99.95.
Value: $10,000 p.a.
Duration: Length of degree.
How to apply: You do not need to apply for these scholarships, although you must have a preference for The University of Sydney on your UAC application. You will be contacted when the ATARs are released if you meet the eligibility criteria.


Which by my rough estimations means you have to be in the top 100 students in the country to qualify.

And that's the only major scholarship around?  We've got scholarships from just about everything.  You're a natural blonde?  Here's some money.  Like to fish, here's some money.  Of course they don't compare to the full scholarships, but they can add up.  I've got some from Nissan and Bank of America.  My current job awards some if you pursue an engineering degree.

Ilocano wrote:

And that's the only major scholarship around?  We've got scholarships from just about everything.  You're a natural blonde?  Here's some money.  Like to fish, here's some money.  Of course they don't compare to the full scholarships, but they can add up.

I had a high school teach who went to a 4 year private o a scholarship he got for having good grades and being Italian.

A girl from my elementary school grad class parents gives out a scholarship every year in memorial to their son who died in the 6th grade.

Jaekus wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

So the guy with average grades and rich parents should have more right to tertiary education than someone from a broken home who's struggled all their life and is an A grade student? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Fair? If they have an A average they get a scholarship do they not?

Not always. Anyway, my ex has a scholarship because she is a grade A student from a broken home. It covers her study expenses for the duration of her course (books, travel etc). She still has to pay tuition fees back once she completes her degree.

As are the entry requirement for my course. Doubt they're gonna pay all of us scholarships.

DrunkFace wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

And that's the only major scholarship around?  We've got scholarships from just about everything.  You're a natural blonde?  Here's some money.  Like to fish, here's some money.  Of course they don't compare to the full scholarships, but they can add up.  I've got some from Nissan and Bank of America.  My current job awards some if you pursue an engineering degree.

It's the only one from that university which is merit based. Other universities will have similar ones. There are a few given out by corporations, but they also will have similar standards to qualify.

Then there's some For: Students with a good ATAR or an excellent AAM who have been disadvantaged financially or medically or are from a rural or remote background.

But in general at least 95% if not 98-99% of students will not get any form of scholarship.

If I had a scholarship foundation, I wouldn't give one to a 95% percentile either.  100 students per Uni seems reasonable.