Why don't the exploits that work on Firefox/IE/Chrome etc work on Opera though? Do those browsers purposely allow these things to work, or does it mean the Opera team is more on top of building a solid browser?
jsnipy wrote:
opera is a novelty, for people who want to seem savvy. uninstall tbh.
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thismikkel wrote:
Your beef is with web developers - not with Opera.
Right. That was one mentioned problem. I'm pretty sure the desktop verion has had it's fair shard of security holes also.Zimmer wrote:
Naturally there are flaws with mini, as none of the actual rendering of the site is done via your phone, but via Opera's servers. But if anybody was attempting to use Mini on their pc.... well... no comment.Kmar wrote:
I was just listening to a tech podcast that was pointing out security flaws in Opera mini.. you're not using mini are you?
Also, in no way do I think opera is shit. It was my browser of choice for a long time.
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Exploits came out because IE6 didn't follow the standards that HTML set, so thus developers got used to creating these exploits. Obviously not every browser is perfect and depending on the technology being used to render whatever page (JavaScript, Flash, etc.) you're viewing, each browser uses a different engine. For instance, Chrome has it's own JavaScript engine and it's own Flash player whereas FF uses the Flash player from Adobe (you know, the guys that created Flash) and FF again has its own JavaScript engine.ghettoperson wrote:
Why don't the exploits that work on Firefox/IE/Chrome etc work on Opera though? Do those browsers purposely allow these things to work, or does it mean the Opera team is more on top of building a solid browser?
The browsers NOW all agree on following HTML standards (IE6 and maybe 7, iirc, were the only ones that didn't), but there are still other web technologies out there that aren't so standardized. A guy I know here in Vienna is doing his thesis about JavaScript, if he's doing it in English, I can forward it to you once he finishes it if you'd like.
ghettoperson wrote:
Why is Opera so shit?
ghettoperson wrote:
It's fantastic.
Haha don't get me wrong, I love Opera. But it irritates the hell out of me when I have to open up Firefox and redo whatever it is I was trying to get done because it won't load everything properly..Sup wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Why is Opera so shit?ghettoperson wrote:
It's fantastic.
Mikkel was right, my first post was meant to incite emotions (in case you were unable to tell).Finray wrote:
jsnipy wrote:
opera is a novelty, for people who want to seem savvy. uninstall tbh.watjsnipy wrote:
thismikkel wrote:
Your beef is with web developers - not with Opera.
I actually have every major browser installed for testing. I do find browser loyalty kind of gag though.
Don't hurt the poor guy's feelings.jsnipy wrote:
Mikkel was right, my first post was meant to incite emotions (in case you were unable to tell).Finray wrote:
jsnipy wrote:
opera is a novelty, for people who want to seem savvy. uninstall tbh.watjsnipy wrote:
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All browsers have these issues. IE8, for example, has a list of thousands of sites where Microsoft has to use the IE7 engine instead, for those specific sites because they won't work in IE8. But because Microsoft and Google are so darn powerful, they can just call up sites and order them to fix whatever breaks their browsers. Opera is just a small company in comparison, so they have to spend their time working around sites that rely on bugs in other browsers, and even block Opera completely.ghettoperson wrote:
Basically it's impossible to use as your sole web browser, which is nuts. Am I the only one that has these issues, or do other Opera users have to suffer through this as well?
What's kind of frustrating is that Chrome will often fail to work at Gmail. What's up with that?
The reality is that Opera does try to handle all the crappily coded sites out there. If they didn't, nothing would be working. So Opera is actually very lenient and accepts all sorts of crappy code. The main problem for Opera is that sites do browser sniffing, which means that they specifically check which browser you are using, and if you aren't using IE, Firefox or Chrome, they just send garbage. If only the sites sent Opera whatever they are sending Firefox or Chrome, it would have worked most of the time.Zimmer wrote:
As mikkel quite rightly said, some assholes think they can get away with browser specific hacks in this day and age. Opera doesn't handle it because it's not expecting problems like that to occur.
i know so much about Opera that i thought this was a thread about music.
I don't think there has been a single (known) security hole in Opera Mini, so that sounds strange.Kmar wrote:
I was just listening to a tech podcast that was pointing out security flaws in Opera mini.. you're not using mini are you?
According to research, Opera is actually the most secure browser compared to IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari:Kmar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the desktop verion has had it's fair shard of security holes also.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/1 … dozen.html
So if you want security, it looks like Opera might be the way to go.
I'm not so sure... Just the other day, Opera celebrated 150 million active users (as in people who actually use Opera, and not just downloads or installations). Opera is pretty big in some parts of the world (like Eastern Europe, which is growing like crazy). And particularly on mobile phones.jsnipy wrote:
opera is a novelty, for people who want to seem savvy. uninstall tbh.
Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:
i know so much about Opera that i thought this was a thread about music.
Yeah, they don't have the kind of advertising budgets Google can throw at Chrome. I mean, when you basically own the entire online advertising market, your browser is going to grow quickly no matter what.
Opera is amazing, bad thread.
It's actually well known. As previously mentioned, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't have true end to end encryption (which Opera admits). This is because the data is compressed on their servers. I'll post what I was listening to tonight .. but anyone can easily find the talk around the security problem.manevs wrote:
I don't think there has been a single (known) security hole in Opera Mini, so that sounds strange.Kmar wrote:
I was just listening to a tech podcast that was pointing out security flaws in Opera mini.. you're not using mini are you?
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … phone.html
Now, let's examine the security implications of Opera's Web page processing. First of all, every Web page you visit--whether it's Amazon, your bank, a search on Bing for a medical disorder, or a connection to a corporate Web site--all go through Opera. That means that Opera can essentially see and cache anything and everything you do while using the Opera Mini Browser app.
If you visit encrypted Web pages, Opera still sits as a proxy in the middle of those communications. Opera must decrypt, compress and convert to Opera-proprietary markup language, then re-encrypt the data before forwarding it along to the iPhone.
For many companies, this violation of the end-to-end trust expected when using encrypted data will be reason enough to ban the Opera Mini Browser app from use. If the Opera servers are in any way breached, it could result in otherwise securely encrypted communications being compromised.
I said it's fair share. I did not say it was the worst, or best. I simply meant that over the years there have been many articles pointing out security flaws within the Opera browser. Google Chrome just had a major update which included many security enhancements. .. so I don't know how accurate your article is now.According to research, Opera is actually the most secure browser compared to IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari:Kmar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the desktop verion has had it's fair shard of security holes also.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/1 … dozen.html
So if you want security, it looks like Opera might be the way to go.
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I'm actually kind of liking Opera, but I still use IE/FF the most.
Also, I misread this as 'Why is Opra so shit?'
lol
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I wonder how many people still do this.. it looks like old versions
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opera is not shit.
http://clients.futuremark.com/peacekeep … ics.action
opera is not shit.
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I think wat Menevs meant by Opera Mini having no security holes was with the app itself, not with the way the app communicates with Opera.Kmar wrote:
It's actually well known. As previously mentioned, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't have true end to end encryption (which Opera admits). This is because the data is compressed on their servers. I'll post what I was listening to tonight .. but anyone can easily find the talk around the security problem.manevs wrote:
I don't think there has been a single (known) security hole in Opera Mini, so that sounds strange.Kmar wrote:
I was just listening to a tech podcast that was pointing out security flaws in Opera mini.. you're not using mini are you?
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … phone.htmlNow, let's examine the security implications of Opera's Web page processing. First of all, every Web page you visit--whether it's Amazon, your bank, a search on Bing for a medical disorder, or a connection to a corporate Web site--all go through Opera. That means that Opera can essentially see and cache anything and everything you do while using the Opera Mini Browser app.
If you visit encrypted Web pages, Opera still sits as a proxy in the middle of those communications. Opera must decrypt, compress and convert to Opera-proprietary markup language, then re-encrypt the data before forwarding it along to the iPhone.
For many companies, this violation of the end-to-end trust expected when using encrypted data will be reason enough to ban the Opera Mini Browser app from use. If the Opera servers are in any way breached, it could result in otherwise securely encrypted communications being compromised.I said it's fair share. I did not say it was the worst, or best. I simply meant that over the years there have been many articles pointing out security flaws within the Opera browser. Google Chrome just had a major update which included many security enhancements. .. so I don't know how accurate your article is now.According to research, Opera is actually the most secure browser compared to IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari:Kmar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the desktop verion has had it's fair shard of security holes also.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/1 … dozen.html
So if you want security, it looks like Opera might be the way to go.
Also, as for the security of Opera... it's well known that we may not be able to see all the security holes that Opera has due to the software not being open source. Naturally, with Firefox people pry open the software a lot more to look for flaws, whereas they cannot do that with Opera. The same applies to Chrome. Safari is a different story, but we all know Apple has never had security at the top of their to-do lists.
A lot of the holes found in Chrome and FF were found due to them being Open source, as tests would probably never have found them in the first place.
It would be interesting to see if Opera went Open Source if it remained with that few security holes.
We already explained in the thread what we meant. "I don't think there has been a single (known) security hole in Opera Mini" is a bit misleading. Opera has a use at your own risk disclaimer, and they suggest you use opera mobile if it's a problem for you.
Like I said, I have nothing against Opera. I've used it plenty in the past.
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Like I said, I have nothing against Opera. I've used it plenty in the past.
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 6#p2901686
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Eww, thumbnails of the websites for thumbnails
Yea once upon a time.. now it goes a little sometin like this
..but you knew that
..but you knew that
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I sit here now and wonder why I still use this terrible browser.
I hate it.
Is the new Chrome released yet, or was it just news about it that I read?
I hate it.
Is the new Chrome released yet, or was it just news about it that I read?
FFLink wrote:
I sit here now and wonder why I still use this terrible browser.
I hate it.
Is the new Chrome released yet, or was it just news about it that I read?
Is this the new version?
EE (hats
I don't know. Looks newer, if that's the default skin and shit.
oui
No issues here so far.
No issues here so far.