BF2S Forums Why is Opera so shit?

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Kmar wrote:

It's actually well known. As previously mentioned, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't have true end to end encryption (which Opera admits). This is because the data is compressed on their servers. I'll post what I was listening to tonight .. but anyone can easily find the talk around the security problem.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … phone.html

That's not a security issue. A security issue is when someone is able to breach the security that is in place. For example, if someone managed to crack Opera's encryption, and thereby decrypt all the communication between the Opera Mini client on the phone and the proxy servers. When something works as designed, which Opera Mini does, it is not a security issue.

Opera is always talking about how Opera Mini uses their server to compress everything by up to 90%. It's by design!

And it can actually make you safer, for example if you use public wifi. In that case, everything will be encrypted, so it will be impossible to spy on you.

You are portraying it as some kind of deep, dark secret that Opera is trying to keep hidden. But the opposite is true. They are talking about their compression technology every chance they get.

For many companies, this violation of the end-to-end trust expected when using encrypted data will be reason enough to ban the Opera Mini Browser app from use. If the Opera servers are in any way breached, it could result in otherwise securely encrypted communications being compromised.

Opera has been doing this for years, and the likes of AT&T, Vodafone and Verizon are using Opera Mini. I'm pretty sure they are as safe as anyone (such as your ISP). If you don't think Opera can protect itself from security breaches, then you should be equally skeptical of your ISP or any site you use on the web.

So again, there are no known security issues for Opera Mini. Working as designed is not a security issue. And if you don't trust Opera to keep you safe, you should be equally skeptical about the rest of the internet.

I said it's fair share. I did not say it was the worst, or best. I simply meant that over the years there have been many articles pointing out security flaws within the Opera browser. Google Chrome just had a major update which included many security enhancements. .. so I don't know how accurate your article is now.

I didn't say that Opera hasn't had any security issues. I pointed out that it has the best track record, by far. Just look up the various browser on vulnerability databases like secunia.com.

All browsers will have security issues. But some of them have fewer of them, and less severe ones than the rest.

Last edited by manevs (2010-12-11 10:16:40)

Zimmer wrote:

A lot of the holes found in Chrome and FF were found due to them being Open source, as tests would probably never have found them in the first place.

Is that really the case? From what I've heard, the vast majority of security holes are found by running the compiled application, and running various tests against it. The code base is huge, after all. Looking for security holes by reading code is very difficult, time-consuming, and doesn't really give you much to go by.

manevs wrote:

Kmar wrote:

It's actually well known. As previously mentioned, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't have true end to end encryption (which Opera admits). This is because the data is compressed on their servers. I'll post what I was listening to tonight .. but anyone can easily find the talk around the security problem.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … phone.html

That's not a security issue. A security issue is when someone is able to breach the security that is in place. For example, if someone managed to crack Opera's encryption, and thereby decrypt all the communication between the Opera Mini client on the phone and the proxy servers. When something works as designed, which Opera Mini does, it is not a security issue.

Opera is always talking about how Opera Mini uses their server to compress everything by up to 90%. It's by design!

And it can actually make you safer, for example if you use public wifi. In that case, everything will be encrypted, so it will be impossible to spy on you.

You are portraying it as some kind of deep, dark secret that Opera is trying to keep hidden. But the opposite is true. They are talking about their compression technology every chance they get.

No I'm not portraying that at all. An issue is nothing more than something you need to consider. I know it is by design. Intent does not automatically clear something of a possible problem. If you're using open wifi you've got bigger problems than mini.

For many companies, this violation of the end-to-end trust expected when using encrypted data will be reason enough to ban the Opera Mini Browser app from use. If the Opera servers are in any way breached, it could result in otherwise securely encrypted communications being compromised.

Opera has been doing this for years, and the likes of AT&T, Vodafone and Verizon are using Opera Mini. I'm pretty sure they are as safe as anyone (such as your ISP). If you don't think Opera can protect itself from security breaches, then you should be equally skeptical of your ISP or any site you use on the web.

So again, there are no known security issues for Opera Mini. Working as designed is not a security issue. And if you don't trust Opera to keep you safe, you should be equally skeptical about the rest of the internet.

Again, it is an issue. That isn't to say it is catastrophic, or that there is a fatal flaw. But it is something you need to consider. .. something that does not need to be considered with other browsers.

I said it's fair share. I did not say it was the worst, or best. I simply meant that over the years there have been many articles pointing out security flaws within the Opera browser. Google Chrome just had a major update which included many security enhancements. .. so I don't know how accurate your article is now.

I didn't say that Opera hasn't had any security issues. I pointed out that it has the best track record, by far. Just look up the various browser on vulnerability databases like secunia.com.

All browsers will have security issues. But some of them have fewer of them, and less severe ones than the rest.

Ok, well point out it's track record if you want. I really don't know what the point of quoting me with it is. In fact. to me, it appears that we are in agreement. It would seem that you are debating/defending opera for the sake of doing it.