Four of them.Adams_BJ wrote:
dude a full auto .45? SICK!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5604.jpg
Baba Booey
Four of them.Adams_BJ wrote:
dude a full auto .45? SICK!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5604.jpg
I had a go with a UMP in Florida, I couldn't control it.Adams_BJ wrote:
dude a full auto .45? SICK!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5604.jpg
fun though?Dilbert_X wrote:
I had a go with a UMP in Florida, I couldn't control it.Adams_BJ wrote:
dude a full auto .45? SICK!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5604.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oZaomizvY8M/T … _ump45.jpg
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Does it really kick that much?Dilbert_X wrote:
Fun indeed, brrrrrrrrrp, er sorry about the ceiling mate.
The colleague I took with me had never fired a gun before and had to sit down for ten minutes afterwards to recompose himself.
Didn't have time for the Thompson and all the 9mm SMGs were booked out
You should try a 10mm MP5. Coolest gun ever.Dilbert_X wrote:
I had a go with a UMP in Florida, I couldn't control it.Adams_BJ wrote:
dude a full auto .45? SICK!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5604.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oZaomizvY8M/T … _ump45.jpg
It was .45 so it kicks, and while the Thompson weighs 4.9 kg the UMP weighs 2.3 kg...FloppY_ wrote:
Does it really kick that much?
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I thought this only lasted 20 years or something? I remember hearing back in high school that this ban expired and was never put back in place.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Yeah the registration for full-autos (machine guns) was closed. No new machine guns could be added to the registry after 1986. So only the machine guns registered before the 1986 cutoff are available to the public. That makes all machine guns more expensive. I don't know if the actual number of registered machine guns was ever released, but there are still a lot of them out there.http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/transferable_.html
The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) established a $200 tax on the transfer of Machine Guns, sawed-off shotguns, short barreled rifles and innocuous silencers. These things are now referred to as NFA items. This amounted to at least a 100% tax on NFA items and, more importantly, it established the first control over Machine Guns and their transfer by the Federal Government. Over 30 years later, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA68) restricted the importation of surplus military weapons into the US. Ironically, gun manufacturers lobbied hard for GCA68 because they concluded that cheap military surplus was killing the market for their products. Little did they anticipate the full draconian measure of GCA68, but it effectively stopped all military surplus, including US models, from being (re)imported into the US. Obviously that included Machine Guns and all manner of automatic weapons. Machine Guns imported into the US after 1968 could only be owned by a Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT) that we know as a Machine Gun Dealer and these Machine Guns became known as pre-86 or pre-May dealer samples for reasons that will soon be apparent. It took almost 20 years to correct many of the injustices of GCA68 through legislation known as The Firearms Owner’s Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA). But FOPA and its infamous late-night Hughes Amendment made all Machine Guns unlawful to be owned by individuals except those that were registered in the ATF’s National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR) before May 19, 1986. Those Machine Guns registered after that date are known as post-86 dealer samples and can also only be owned by a SOT but only for law enforcement or military demonstrations.
That was the assault weapons ban. Which banned anything that looked too scary.Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
I thought this only lasted 20 years or something? I remember hearing back in high school that this ban expired and was never put back in place.west-phoenix-az wrote:
Yeah the registration for full-autos (machine guns) was closed. No new machine guns could be added to the registry after 1986. So only the machine guns registered before the 1986 cutoff are available to the public. That makes all machine guns more expensive. I don't know if the actual number of registered machine guns was ever released, but there are still a lot of them out there.http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/transferable_.html
The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) established a $200 tax on the transfer of Machine Guns, sawed-off shotguns, short barreled rifles and innocuous silencers. These things are now referred to as NFA items. This amounted to at least a 100% tax on NFA items and, more importantly, it established the first control over Machine Guns and their transfer by the Federal Government. Over 30 years later, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA68) restricted the importation of surplus military weapons into the US. Ironically, gun manufacturers lobbied hard for GCA68 because they concluded that cheap military surplus was killing the market for their products. Little did they anticipate the full draconian measure of GCA68, but it effectively stopped all military surplus, including US models, from being (re)imported into the US. Obviously that included Machine Guns and all manner of automatic weapons. Machine Guns imported into the US after 1968 could only be owned by a Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT) that we know as a Machine Gun Dealer and these Machine Guns became known as pre-86 or pre-May dealer samples for reasons that will soon be apparent. It took almost 20 years to correct many of the injustices of GCA68 through legislation known as The Firearms Owner’s Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA). But FOPA and its infamous late-night Hughes Amendment made all Machine Guns unlawful to be owned by individuals except those that were registered in the ATF’s National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR) before May 19, 1986. Those Machine Guns registered after that date are known as post-86 dealer samples and can also only be owned by a SOT but only for law enforcement or military demonstrations.
Unless you actually ate them, fail.Adams_BJ wrote:
I woulda loved to have given it a go, only experience I have is shooting bunnies with a .22
yeah I know a range with a full auto ACR, only had a PS90 though... and they didn't let people go full auto with it (the ACR)Dilbert_X wrote:
It was .45 so it kicks, and while the Thompson weighs 4.9 kg the UMP weighs 2.3 kg...FloppY_ wrote:
Does it really kick that much?
Anything greater then 3-4 shots and it was out of control even from the shoulder.
Gallery ranges must have some kind of exemption as they had tons of post-'86 full auto gear.
"Those Machine Guns registered after that date are known as post-86 dealer samples" I guess thats it.
Normal permit? I can go to my local gun store right now and buy an ACR. No permit. Just have to be 18 years old.FloppY_ wrote:
Can you get a semi ACR on a "normal" permit in the US?
isn't it that über high-tech modular rifle?
Thanks again to the English for introducing yet another species to destroy our agriculture and native wildlife.krazed wrote:
i'll forgive him for not
bunnies = plague of doom in aus from what i remember?
Is it only certain states that prohibit AR type rifles then?1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Normal permit? I can go to my local gun store right now and buy an ACR. No permit. Just have to be 18 years old.FloppY_ wrote:
Can you get a semi ACR on a "normal" permit in the US?
isn't it that über high-tech modular rifle?
FloppY_ wrote:
Is it only certain states that prohibit AR type rifles then?1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Normal permit? I can go to my local gun store right now and buy an ACR. No permit. Just have to be 18 years old.FloppY_ wrote:
Can you get a semi ACR on a "normal" permit in the US?
isn't it that über high-tech modular rifle?
I've seen some wierd M16 grips that were apparently required for them to be legal
That shit isn't in effect anymore.ROGUEDD wrote:
That was the assault weapons ban. Which banned anything that looked too scary.
oh ok...1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
Is it only certain states that prohibit AR type rifles then?1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Normal permit? I can go to my local gun store right now and buy an ACR. No permit. Just have to be 18 years old.
I've seen some wierd M16 grips that were apparently required for them to be legalThat shit isn't in effect anymore.ROGUEDD wrote:
That was the assault weapons ban. Which banned anything that looked too scary.
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Looks kinda like that old Walther bond usedKing_County_Downy wrote:
Just picked up one of these:
http://i55.tinypic.com/2n15kz5.jpg
Bersa Thunder .380
It was cheap but it's actually pretty well made. Easy to break down, built in lock, safe release hammer, and they make lots of accessories for it.
I'm happy with it.