BF2S Forums Pakistan is the biggest threat to the World

Dilbert_X wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

It was 2 birds with one stone. I'm more pleased with the fact Japan stopped acting like a fucking bitch and realized how fucking butt raped they were. I really hate the Jap mentality of that era.

I hate the US mentality of this era.

The war was already over, the US just wanted to test their nukes.

If the war was already over, why didn't the Japanese surrender? They didn't even surrender after the first nuclear bomb.

stop posting

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2011-01-08 15:46:21)

I'm asking you, I know my history, but do you know yours? The fact you're avoiding the question isn't in your favor.

Name your history books.

There's no telling whether or not they would have surrendered when they did. I mentioned earlier the nukes were 2 birds with one stone. You cannot deny it did not speed up the surrendering process.

Pakistan is a real threat.  I went to see game of cricket (20/20) with them a week or two ago and their bowlers absolutely demolished us.  They made it to just over 180 for the full 20 overs and we only made it to 84 or similar, all out.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

It expedited the surrender.  That much did change.

By a few days.

That's speculative.  There's no way of knowing how long it would have taken without the nukings.  It could've been days, weeks, or a year.

All we do know is that their response changed after the nukings.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

By a few days.

That's speculative.  There's no way of knowing how long it would have taken without the nukings.  It could've been days, weeks, or a year.

All we do know is that their response changed after the nukings.

We've done this before in other threads, they were ready to surrender, very few people apart from Truman believed it was necessary - and he just wanted to scare the Russians.

Ready to surrender in a few days? They nuked them, waited a few days, didn't get a surrender and nuked 'em again. They had plenty of "Few days" to surrender and the US even made sure Japan knew they'd get fucked by nukes if they didn't surrender but they still had to be nuked twice.

Does that not tell you they weren't ready? fucks sake dilderp

Dilbert_X wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

It was 2 birds with one stone. I'm more pleased with the fact Japan stopped acting like a fucking bitch and realized how fucking butt raped they were. I really hate the Jap mentality of that era.

I hate the US mentality of this era.

The war was already over, the US just wanted to test their nukes.

So what are they teaching the kids these days as to why they were bombed?

What have you been taught about how the US triggered the Pacific war?

America didn't have to invade Japan, they can starve the whole country to death if they needed too.

Shifty, the problem with the whole not surrendering after one nuke thing was because a lot of military leaders thought it was American propaganda, no one had weapons of that size back then and it just seemed unbelievable. Hell it was hard even to make the lowest level ground troops to surrender to Americans, you think their military commanders would face such dishonor?

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Hell it was hard even to make the lowest level ground troops to surrender to Americans, you think their military commanders would face such dishonor?

There's my whole point right there, you don't need to feed it to me like I didn't know that. They weren't going to surrender anytime soon, so nuking them and showing them they'll die if they resist speeded up the process; a simple thing dilderp can't understand.

No the emperor was going to surrender. Why do you think the US purposely not bomb the imperial palace?

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

There's my whole point right there, you don't need to feed it to me like I didn't know that. They weren't going to surrender anytime soon, so nuking them and showing them they'll die if they resist speeded up the process; a simple thing dilderp can't understand.

No the emperor was going to surrender. Why do you think the US purposely not bomb the imperial palace?

He WAS but not anytime SOON.

Am I right or wrong about that? The nukes sped up the surrendering process, y or n?

Not really. He was planning to surrender way before, but there was a power struggle within the imperial palace.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

By a few days.

That's speculative.  There's no way of knowing how long it would have taken without the nukings.  It could've been days, weeks, or a year.

All we do know is that their response changed after the nukings.

We've done this before in other threads, they were ready to surrender, very few people apart from Truman believed it was necessary - and he just wanted to scare the Russians.

You always spout off with this bullshit....most people here just do not give a flying fuck about nuking Japan....sure it was a horrible thing, and we all wish to never see another nuclear attack on our planet, but the mentality of the time was fuck em. The things they and the Germans did were such a disgusting stain on humanity.  They attacked us, and then those dumbass nazis had the moxy to declare war on us. I'd be willing to bet if we had one ready soon enough, we would have nuked Germany too. It was a global war with millions of lives lost on all sides....and so what if it was a bit of muscle flexing as well. We dont care. We may rape and pillage other peoples economies, but the Japanese raped and pillaged the actual peoples around them. On such a horrible scale as well. Oh yea the outcome also gave us control of all the worlds oceans so an absolute victory was very necessary to secure our place at the top of the totem pole.

OT: I agree Pakistan is a potentially unsettling situation. But I have no doubt that there are contingency plans in place to deal with them and their weapons should things go awry (as if they weren't already). Shit at least I hope so.

Dilbert_X wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Ready to surrender in a few days? They nuked them, waited a few days, didn't get a surrender and nuked 'em again. They had plenty of "Few days" to surrender and the US even made sure Japan knew they'd get fucked by nukes if they didn't surrender but they still had to be nuked twice.

Like I said, history books - much more informative than video games.

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Oh yea the outcome also gave us control of all the worlds oceans so an absolute victory was very necessary to secure our place at the top of the totem pole.

Thats what it was basically about, and the real reason the US provoked Japan into a war.

Still makes you wonder, if the US provoked Japan into war and therefore sort of would have expected an attack from the Japanese, how come Pearl Harbor was such an enormous carnage?

Dilbert_X wrote:

the real reason the US provoked Japan into a war.

_WHAT_?

You have GOT to be trolling