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2011-02-03 22:11:49
Kmar
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AussieReaper wrote:

Kmar wrote:

That is why I said define alone. Alone in the milkyway? ..universe?

Think about how *astronomically short the amount if time humans have been a part if this universe. And yet despite our incredibly brief time of existence we are already exploring and finding new worlds.
You can make the exact same argument in reverse.

It took billions of years for solar system and Earth to form and then humans to reach the point of even exploring the Moon.

We may have done it in a few hundred thousand as humans, but we haven't been here for the 4.5 billion years Earth has.

The chance that another civilization has made it to the stars, and then died off in between that time is sizeable.

Try to consider where the human race will be in a billion years.

The dinosaurs lasted a few hundred million and got nowhere.
I think you missed the point. We mammals were the survivors of the (same) dinosaur era. We mammals developed didn't we? Look at the extinction of dinosaurs as a necessary event for the development of intelligent life. Yes there is a chance that other civs may have already died off.. but all of them? I don't think so. There is virtually an infinite amount of possibilities. Also, life was likely delivered here during or shortly after the heavy bombardment, which happened very early on in earth history. There were likely hundreds of major setbacks on earth. Look at the surface of the moon and think much much worse. That isn't to say that amongst the millions of other possible scenarios just within our own galaxy that they all suffered the same luck, good or bad. To assume that we just happened to be the ones at the pinnacle of technology in this universe is pretty short sighted. And to assume that in this great canvas of time others aren't at least as developed as far as us is pretty arrogant.
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2011-02-03 22:18:14
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This video is absolutely lol worthy- but on the topic of Aliens, I think it's silly to think we are alone. Individuals whom do in my opinion just cannot grasp how incredibly super the size of the universe is. When you talk in thousands upon thousands of light years. LIGHT YEARS - How can there not be other life?
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2011-02-03 22:59:13
AussieReaper
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Kmar wrote:

To assume that we just happened to be the ones at the pinnacle of technology in this universe is pretty short sighted. And to assume that in this great canvas of time others aren't at least as developed as far as us is pretty arrogant.
I think you missed the point.

I'm not saying we're alone in the universe. I'm saying that the chances two civlizations have all the die roll their way and do come into contact are infinitely minute. I doubt if we did come into contact we would even be able to exchange any ideas at all.

You're arguing that they would be at least as developed as us? I see that is just one piece in the jigsaw. If the another race does come into contact with us, they might not even be carbon based. They could be gaseous or completely formed of energy.

We'll be alone because the odds are against us too greatly of coming into contact, being of the same physiology (as in viewing the same spectrum of light/verbal communication) and then we need luck that they are not zenophobic, luck that they do not wipe us out, luck that war doesn't destroy us, luck that climate change/overpopulation/war doesn't destroy our planet.

There are too many chances against contact with an intelligent alien race we can live with mutually.
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2011-02-03 23:39:35
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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AussieReaper wrote:

Kmar wrote:

To assume that we just happened to be the ones at the pinnacle of technology in this universe is pretty short sighted. And to assume that in this great canvas of time others aren't at least as developed as far as us is pretty arrogant.
I think you missed the point.

I'm not saying we're alone in the universe. I'm saying that the chances two civlizations have all the die roll their way and do come into contact are infinitely minute. I doubt if we did come into contact we would even be able to exchange any ideas at all.

You're arguing that they would be at least as developed as us? I see that is just one piece in the jigsaw. If the another race does come into contact with us, they might not even be carbon based. They could be gaseous or completely formed of energy.

We'll be alone because the odds are against us too greatly of coming into contact, being of the same physiology (as in viewing the same spectrum of light/verbal communication) and then we need luck that they are not zenophobic, luck that they do not wipe us out, luck that war doesn't destroy us, luck that climate change/overpopulation/war doesn't destroy our planet.

There are too many chances against contact with an intelligent alien race we can live with mutually.
I never presumed to think they will be carbon based. The recent discovery of certain forms of life subsituting phospohorus with arsenic was just an example of how different the elements for life might be. We only focus on CHNOPS because that is what we know. I didn't miss your point, you are just changing it. You know there is a difference between being alone and communicating with other forms of life don't you? Your original statement of "forever alone" is very unlikely.

There are just as many reasons, if not more to think, that in the vastness of space and time we will discover life one day, and realize that we are in fact not forever alone.
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