joyce.
i'd have to read it with a companion reader, but I'd be down like 4 flats on a lowrider
i'd have to read it with a companion reader, but I'd be down like 4 flats on a lowrider
It's free on kindle if you have one
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i highly recommend thisKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
joyce.
i'd have to read it with a companion reader, but I'd be down like 4 flats on a lowrider
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fE9m … mp;f=false
annotations and footnotes for your reading of ulysses.
every page of ulysses contains about as much allegory and scholarship as an entire pre-modernist novel
high-modernism is, imo, the highest expression of artistic genius
ever since then people have been afraid of such overt and showy erudition
most modern readers are too intimidated by its reputation, let alone getting their hands and heads to grip with the primary text
(if you want the poetic equivalent, t.s. eliot's the waste land is the obvious first rec)
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Hell, Stephen King made an entire series based on it...Uzique wrote:
i highly recommend thisKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
joyce.
i'd have to read it with a companion reader, but I'd be down like 4 flats on a lowrider
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fE9m … mp;f=false
annotations and footnotes for your reading of ulysses.
every page of ulysses contains about as much allegory and scholarship as an entire pre-modernist novel
high-modernism is, imo, the highest expression of artistic genius
ever since then people have been afraid of such overt and showy erudition
most modern readers are too intimidated by its reputation, let alone getting their hands and heads to grip with the primary text
(if you want the poetic equivalent, t.s. eliot's the waste land is the obvious first rec)
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
now if that isn't a literary accolade then i don't know what is
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I figured you'd get a thrill up your leg...Uzique wrote:
now if that isn't a literary accolade then i don't know what is
But there's gobs of literary allusions throughout. Your own little literary soggy-biscuit.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I've never been much of a reader, but am trying to make up for lost time and recently read Catcher in the Rye and The Great Gatsby (and Kitchen Confidential for levity), would what a good next book be?
Along those lines? Slaughterhouse Five by Vonnegut or Candide by Voltaire or 1984 by George Orwell
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Fahrenheit 451. Some don't like it, I enjoyed it. I'm also catching up on typical high school classics that I never got to read. On Brave New World right now mixed in with "Smartest Guys In The Room", the book about Enron which I'm reading for my criminology class.jsnipy wrote:
I've never been much of a reader, but am trying to make up for lost time and recently read Catcher in the Rye and The Great Gatsby (and Kitchen Confidential for levity), would what a good next book be?
Anatomy of Greed by Brian Cruvell is a decent one on Enron if you want to get a different perspective Poseidon
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Will definitely get to it at some point, thanks. Only one chapter in to the SGITR and I'm intrigued. I forgot Lay was dead.
I actually tried looking up Cliff Baxter's CD.
I actually tried looking up Cliff Baxter's CD.
Would require its own thread if anybody was wiling to take it seriously.Uzique wrote:
i still want you to all read ulysses
now that would be a discussion
Started reading Hamlet today. Will get back to you all when I'm soliloquizing "To be or not to be" with a skull. I'm really enjoying the tights, though.
to be or not to be is said aloud to the self, or staged, to a mirror
alas, poor yorick! is said to a skull
and yeah unnamed, it would indeed.
alas, poor yorick! is said to a skull
and yeah unnamed, it would indeed.
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Speaking of Shakespeare...
Cannot unsee.
Cannot unsee.
not even going to click play... could very well possibly ruin my life
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Or at least Romeo & Juliet.Uzique wrote:
...could very well possibly ruin my life
Yeah well I was going more for thisUzique wrote:
to be or not to be is said aloud to the self, or staged, to a mirror
alas, poor yorick! is said to a skull
and yeah unnamed, it would indeed.
i do fucking love ulysses. every other page you read something that blows your mind. a passage on abortion:
His words were then these as followeth: Know all men, he said, time's ruins build eternity's mansions. What means this? Desire's wind blasts the thorntree but after it becomes from a bramblebush to be a rose upon the rood of time. Mark me now. In woman's womb word is made flesh but in the spirit of the maker all flesh that passes becomes the word that shall not pass away. This is the postcreation. Omnis cam ad te veniet. No question but her name is puissant who aventried the dear corse of our Agenbuyer, Healer and Herd, our mighty mother and mother most venerable and Bernardus saith aptly that she hath an omnipotentiam deiparae supplicem, that is to wit, an almightiness of petition because she is the second Eve and she won us, saith Augustine too, whereas that other, our grandam, which we are linked up with by successive anastomosis of navelcords sold us all, seed, breed and generation, for a penny pippin. But here is the matter now. Or she knew him, that second I say, and was but creature of her creature, vergine madre figlia di tuo figlio or she knew him not and then stands she in the one denial or ignorancy with Peter Piscator who lives in the house that Jack built and with Joseph the Joiner patron of the happy demise of all unhappy marriages parce que M. Léo Taxil nous a dit que qui l'avait mise dans cette fichue position c'était le sacré pigeon, ventre de Dieu! Entweder transsubstantiality oder consubstantiality but in no case subsubstantiality. And all cried out upon It for a very scurvy word. A pregnancy without joy, he said, a birth without pangs, a body without blemish, a belly without bigness. Let the lewd with faith and fervour worship. With will will we withstand, withsay.
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how many languages does it use in that passage? 4 (English, Italian, French, Latin?)Uzique wrote:
i do fucking love ulysses. every other page you read something that blows your mind. a passage on abortion:His words were then these as followeth: Know all men, he said, time's ruins build eternity's mansions. What means this? Desire's wind blasts the thorntree but after it becomes from a bramblebush to be a rose upon the rood of time. Mark me now. In woman's womb word is made flesh but in the spirit of the maker all flesh that passes becomes the word that shall not pass away. This is the postcreation. Omnis cam ad te veniet. No question but her name is puissant who aventried the dear corse of our Agenbuyer, Healer and Herd, our mighty mother and mother most venerable and Bernardus saith aptly that she hath an omnipotentiam deiparae supplicem, that is to wit, an almightiness of petition because she is the second Eve and she won us, saith Augustine too, whereas that other, our grandam, which we are linked up with by successive anastomosis of navelcords sold us all, seed, breed and generation, for a penny pippin. But here is the matter now. Or she knew him, that second I say, and was but creature of her creature, vergine madre figlia di tuo figlio or she knew him not and then stands she in the one denial or ignorancy with Peter Piscator who lives in the house that Jack built and with Joseph the Joiner patron of the happy demise of all unhappy marriages parce que M. Léo Taxil nous a dit que qui l'avait mise dans cette fichue position c'était le sacré pigeon, ventre de Dieu! Entweder transsubstantiality oder consubstantiality but in no case subsubstantiality. And all cried out upon It for a very scurvy word. A pregnancy without joy, he said, a birth without pangs, a body without blemish, a belly without bigness. Let the lewd with faith and fervour worship. With will will we withstand, withsay.
5 with the german, but yeah... 5, as well as needing a pretty intimate understanding of classical allusions, christian theology, irish folklore, european philosophy/science/ethics etc... and the passage is located within a wider chapter that has the stylistic task of imitating and parodying every successive stage of english literature. it starts out imitating latin incantations and archaic phrases, then moves through old english alliterative verse to middle-english chaucerian knights tales to elizabethan court language to enlightenment empiricism/rationality to romanticist poeticism to gothic suspense to victorian sentimentality to american demotic negro slang.
it's a headfuck.
it's a headfuck.
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Black English? whaaaaaat?Uzique wrote:
american demotic negro slang.
it's a headfuck.
seems like a truly fitting text for the institutions of "higher" education, as you need quite a large knowledge base to be able to comprehend it, period.
I'm guessing the allusions are to put more meaning into fewer words, and to make underlying connections in the book that make it larger than the sum of it's parts.
high modernist texts demand a knowledge base that is totally cross-disciplinary and extend far beyond just wanking over literature
that's why i find them fun and engaging... there's a lot to learn.
and joyce's descriptive writing is really powerful and good!!!
that's why i find them fun and engaging... there's a lot to learn.
and joyce's descriptive writing is really powerful and good!!!
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Indeed, Faber and Faber are hard to beat.Uzique wrote:
if i'm going for mass-available paperbacks then i'll go for a routledge or a faber & faber
On that note, ordered this:
Mainly because parts of the movie are shot in my hall of residence, and I want to read the book before watching it, but it's supposed to be a good book as well.
That passage was in the book? Fuck me, I've been less intimidated by weird-ass poetry.