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11 Bravo wrote:

1927 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i mean what would make them unhappy?  what could happen to a billionaire that would make them unhappy?  death?  divorce?  pfffttt try that being poor.

Having Cancer with no way of curing it, watching your loved one die a slow death.  It dosent end there, they have the scars of what the deceased went through, and money cant erease those memories, they just take the sharpness off the wounds.  The one who died escapes, while the other half lives with whats happened.

Thats just one example of how having every penny in the world dosent guarantee happyness

yes i know the same things happen.  try going thru all of that and not being able to feed your kids or cannot afford the cancer/pain drugs?  their unhapy is just a slice of real unhappy tbh.

Thats dead right, those people don't know any differn't whereas a wealthy dude may go from top of the world to where those people were already.

Something may of happened in Japan today where some billionaire goes to work, his family get wiped out, his money means fuck all to him now as the ones he loved and worked for he cant share it with

1927 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

1927 wrote:

Having Cancer with no way of curing it, watching your loved one die a slow death.  It dosent end there, they have the scars of what the deceased went through, and money cant erease those memories, they just take the sharpness off the wounds.  The one who died escapes, while the other half lives with whats happened.

Thats just one example of how having every penny in the world dosent guarantee happyness

yes i know the same things happen.  try going thru all of that and not being able to feed your kids or cannot afford the cancer/pain drugs?  their unhapy is just a slice of real unhappy tbh.

Thats dead right, those people don't know any differn't whereas a wealthy dude may go from top of the world to where those people were already.

Something may of happened in Japan today where some billionaire goes to work, his family get wiped out, his money means fuck all to him now as the ones he loved and worked for he cant share it with

at least they had a good time while alive then.  i mean at least they were happy before that happened.  imagine a homeless person getting taken away by the waves.

Uzique wrote:

also the argument that rich people shouldn't be unhappy is like saying a western person shouldn't be miserable or depressed because he's not a starving african. the "other people have it worse" line never works. human experience is subjective, not measured on some objective scale of concrete misery. jesus.

yeeeeeesss

you only can say "other people have it worse" if you yourself have gone through a similar experience, even that can't apply a lot of times.

11 Bravo wrote:

1927 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

yes i know the same things happen.  try going thru all of that and not being able to feed your kids or cannot afford the cancer/pain drugs?  their unhapy is just a slice of real unhappy tbh.

Thats dead right, those people don't know any differn't whereas a wealthy dude may go from top of the world to where those people were already.

Something may of happened in Japan today where some billionaire goes to work, his family get wiped out, his money means fuck all to him now as the ones he loved and worked for he cant share it with

at least they had a good time while alive then.  i mean at least they were happy before that happened.  imagine a homeless person getting taken away by the waves.

happiness is a mental state, not a material state.

it's all in the mind-- psychologically, chemically. a homeless person can be an optimist and a filthy rich banker can be a despairing pessimist.

Some of the happiest people I've met were millionaires, or close to it.

I don't see how a bunch of poor people on the internet (including me) arguing about money is going to prove anything.

nobody here has: you all have computers, a house and the fucking internet

so cry me a river with your 'boohoo rich people don't know how bad it is to be poor like us' bullshit

you're in the world's top 5%, buddy

so put away the world's smallest violin and shut up with this relativity bullshit.

happiness is subjective, not relative.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-03-11 12:50:11)

Uzique wrote:

nobody here has: you all have computers, a house and the fucking internet

so cry me a river with your 'boohoo rich people don't know how bad it is to be poor like us' bullshit

you're in the world's top 5%, buddy

so put away the world's smallest violin and shut up with this relativity bullshit.

happiness is subjective, not relative.

Whatever you say. It's a fact that the majority of couples get divorced over money issues. It's a fact that if you polled a random sample of people and asked them to describe their happiness it would correlate to their money issues (mostly debt levels to be precise). Money issues (again, debt) create stress. Stress induces unhappiness and depression.

I'm not saying you have to be rich in order to be happy. I'm saying that reaching a point where you no longer have to worry about money or paying the bills or living paycheck to paycheck does indeed bring happiness via lowered stress levels. If you told me today that I would never have to worry about money for the rest of my life I'd dance a jig. I would go take dance classes, learn how to do a proper jig, and dance a fucking jig.

so are you making an argument for living within your means, with fiscal responsibility, or an argument for living filthily rich?

because it seems to me that the root cause of stress (leading to unhappiness) is people living above their actual means.

which has almost nothing to do with total material wealth

you think that increases with wealth? some of the most materially rich people in the world make ostentatious purchases for the very reason that they still have self-esteem issues. i honestly think that happiness, depression, self-esteem etc. is a chiefly interior and subjective process of the personality. i don't buy this idea that it correlates or is influenced with material wealth. your entire outlook on the world is conditioned by a psychological and chemical combination, and i'm not sure owning a yacht could really swing that pendulous balance around to 'happy' as easily as you make out. i think it's one of the myths of our modern consumerist culture that reaching the top of the salary-ladder will merit some sort of epiphanic moment of self-fulfillment. no. you just end up wanting more.

Uzique wrote:

and in all actuality and truth there isn't really many financial 'limitations' to a person's happiness after the basic-needs and rights have been taken care of. a person can pursue hobbies and engage in all the fun-time activities they want, within reason, in the confines of a paltry lower-middle class existence. whatever happened to reading a good book? people are acting as if not driving a merc to the exclusive golf-course every weekend is making them unhappy.

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique wrote:

and in all actuality and truth there isn't really many financial 'limitations' to a person's happiness after the basic-needs and rights have been taken care of. a person can pursue hobbies and engage in all the fun-time activities they want, within reason, in the confines of a paltry lower-middle class existence. whatever happened to reading a good book? people are acting as if not driving a merc to the exclusive golf-course every weekend is making them unhappy.

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I just took the test in emotional psychology and cognition about a week ago which talked about this model (which is more like a ladder than a pyramid actually) along many others and I already forgot the name of the one who came up with it.

Yay for-test-learning-only

And yes, I saw the link after I wrote this text

Last edited by Sisco (2011-03-11 13:27:49)

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Uzique wrote:

you think that increases with wealth? some of the most materially rich people in the world make ostentatious purchases for the very reason that they still have self-esteem issues. i honestly think that happiness, depression, self-esteem etc. is a chiefly interior and subjective process of the personality. i don't buy this idea that it correlates or is influenced with material wealth. your entire outlook on the world is conditioned by a psychological and chemical combination, and i'm not sure owning a yacht could really swing that pendulous balance around to 'happy' as easily as you make out. i think it's one of the myths of our modern consumerist culture that reaching the top of the salary-ladder will merit some sort of epiphanic moment of self-fulfillment. no. you just end up wanting more.

I dont see it as a cultural phenomena. Its just basic humanity to get jealous or strut like a peacock.

Unless of course you subscribe to stoicism.