SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6926|The darkside of Denver

pirana6 wrote:

how inclined are your guys' bench when you do incline press and the like? I have mine fairly low (the second rung past flat and the first rung - maybe 30 degrees?) I never really thought about how much it could effect what you're working. I'm thinking for mainly db bench press. I do flat barbell BP but for the DB's I was curious.

Jaekus wrote:

I think 45 degrees is the norm. At least, that's what the instructional vids seem to have it at, and how I've had it when I've done inclines
Yup, 45 degrees.  Any more and your getting too much should any less and you'll be doing more of a mid\lower chest deal.
Jebus
Looking for my Scooper
+218|6031|Belgium
105x5 squat today

Going to take it easy on wednesday again, as my technique wasn't perfect today.  Coming up with one leg a bit faster, turning back with one side etc..
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6926|The darkside of Denver

Jebus wrote:

105x5 squat today

Going to take it easy on wednesday again, as my technique wasn't perfect today.  Coming up with one leg a bit faster, turning back with one side etc..
I want to squat so bad. Im gonna try this week.  I can balance pretty well in this walking boot now, and ill be driving off the heels and not the midfoot\toes... we'll see.

for those who dont know, this is what I've been dealing with for about a month now. Two nice screws through my mid foot....

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/12050/broken%20foot.jpg

Last edited by SonderKommando (2011-03-21 14:18:55)

RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6832|Area 51
Uhm guys. Think I'm doing something wrong here. Since some time, everytime I do my Chest it hurts in my upper chest. Do any of you have a clue what could be going on? Should I stop working out my chest for some time?
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5445|Sydney

SonderKommando wrote:

Jebus wrote:

105x5 squat today

Going to take it easy on wednesday again, as my technique wasn't perfect today.  Coming up with one leg a bit faster, turning back with one side etc..
I want to squat so bad. Im gonna try this week.  I can balance pretty well in this walking boot now, and ill be driving off the heels and not the midfoot\toes... we'll see.

for those who dont know, this is what I've been dealing with for about a month now. Two nice screws through my mid foot....

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/12050 … 20foot.jpg
That fucking sucks bro
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6727|UK

Home wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

should i do incline then flat the next time or just do flat?  or incline?

i dunno
You should do both, but I did read an (t-nation? I can't remember the source) article about which chest exercise was most effective. They hooked EKG readers (or whatever they're called, the things that measure the "electrical" energy being used by your muscle) up to a test groups chests and had them do various exercises. The incline bench consistently had the highest readings, meaning theoretically it was pushing the muscle the hardest and causing more opportunity for growth, so you should definitely do at least some incline.

What do you guys do about muscle imbalances? I'm getting to the point in benching now where my uneven pecs are becoming pretty noticeable. Should I just do like an extra set of db benching, but only on the lagging side? I have the same problem with my calves and biceps, but those are easier to work on their own. I swear the right side of my body weighs like 10 pounds more god damnit
My right arm is alot stronger than my left it's retarded. If I go to a heavy weight I'd struggle on the right but usually can do one rep or two and the left can't do anything!

I keep getting some sort of strain deep into my left shoulder it usually happens after incline bench and upright rows any advice?
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5445|Sydney
So today is Tuesday but I figured I should get a workout in. So glad I did. Also did 5x5 squats of my BW (I currently weigh 80.8kg, that's having had breakfast 2 hours ago and have drunk a fair bit of water) and squatted 82kg, bit of a milestone for me
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6867|132 and Bush

RDMC wrote:

Uhm guys. Think I'm doing something wrong here. Since some time, everytime I do my Chest it hurts in my upper chest. Do any of you have a clue what could be going on? Should I stop working out my chest for some time?
What is your routine? I'd obviously lay off the incline for a bit if you are doing it. When I take a break and come back to an exercise I have pain as well .. due to DOMS. It's relative. What kind of pain?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6867|132 and Bush

SonderKommando wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

how inclined are your guys' bench when you do incline press and the like? I have mine fairly low (the second rung past flat and the first rung - maybe 30 degrees?) I never really thought about how much it could effect what you're working. I'm thinking for mainly db bench press. I do flat barbell BP but for the DB's I was curious.

Jaekus wrote:

I think 45 degrees is the norm. At least, that's what the instructional vids seem to have it at, and how I've had it when I've done inclines
Yup, 45 degrees.  Any more and your getting too much should any less and you'll be doing more of a mid\lower chest deal.
any more and you're working your shoulders..lol.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Jebus
Looking for my Scooper
+218|6031|Belgium
Wow, that sucks Sonder, GL with it bro

Weighed in at 72kg today, yay
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6832|Area 51

Kmar wrote:

RDMC wrote:

Uhm guys. Think I'm doing something wrong here. Since some time, everytime I do my Chest it hurts in my upper chest. Do any of you have a clue what could be going on? Should I stop working out my chest for some time?
What is your routine? I'd obviously lay off the incline for a bit if you are doing it. When I take a break and come back to an exercise I have pain as well .. due to DOMS. It's relative. What kind of pain?
Routine for now is:

Threadmill 20M - 25M

Then I do abs
Biceps (Bicep Curl)
Triceps
Shoulders (Lateral Raise)
Back (Seated Row)
Chest (Flat bench pressing, no incline)
Dip/Chin Assist (This thing: http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.co … ist-02.jpg


Whenever I do the seated dip (http://eu.precor.com/images/equipment/3 … dDip_1.png or the dip/chin assist it hurts, but not the kind of pain like muscle soreness. I can't really describe it.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+692|6557|Washington St.
Anybody have any experience with creatine? My friend uses it and says it's the bees knees and is trying to get me into it but I'm not sure cause I've heard bad things. I strictly use protein powder but am reading up on creatine and if it seems okay I might give it a go.
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5109|Amsterdam

pirana6 wrote:

Anybody have any experience with creatine? My friend uses it and says it's the bees knees and is trying to get me into it but I'm not sure cause I've heard bad things. I strictly use protein powder but am reading up on creatine and if it seems okay I might give it a go.
I know a guy that uses it and he's made incredible gains because of it. It helps you take in protein faster/better and regenerates your muscles faster. Thus it will allow you to lift (a little bit more) more and you don't need to rest as long between workouts.
But I heard it makes your muscles retain water making you look bigger, but also more bloated. And once you stop using it you'll lose this water-weight. I'm not sure about this though as I don't know anybody that has stopped using it.

But i sort of assumed that if it helps you take in protein better/faster it would improve your gains(by protein intake) even if you would lose the water weight. So i don't think you'll lose all the weight it helped you gain.

But I don't have any experience with it, so I'm not 100% sure on all of this.

Last edited by Kampframmer (2011-03-22 04:48:31)

pirana6
Go Cougs!
+692|6557|Washington St.

Kampframmer wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

Anybody have any experience with creatine? My friend uses it and says it's the bees knees and is trying to get me into it but I'm not sure cause I've heard bad things. I strictly use protein powder but am reading up on creatine and if it seems okay I might give it a go.
I know a guy that uses it and he's made incredible gains because of it. It helps you take in protein faster/better and regenerates your muscles faster. Thus it will allow you to lift (a little bit more) more and you don't need to rest as long between workouts.
But I heard it makes your muscles retain water making you look bigger, but also more bloated. And once you stop using it you'll lose this water-weight. I'm not sure about this though as I don't know anybody that has stopped using it.

But i sort of assumed that if it helps you take in protein better/faster it would improve your gains(by protein intake) even if you would lose the water weight. So i don't think you'll lose all the weight it helped you gain.

But I don't have any experience with it, so I'm not 100% sure on all of this.
Yeah i heard you gain water weight which makes you bigger but most of that is lost when you stop it BUT what you gained in non-water weight while you were on it stays (like you said).

It seems like if that is the case then it's good for seeing gains faster. The net gains are just increased even though you drop what you gained from water when you go off it.

I get paid friday so I might get a bit and see what goes on for the first few weeks (that's when you see gains or not supposedly)
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5109|Amsterdam

pirana6 wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

Anybody have any experience with creatine? My friend uses it and says it's the bees knees and is trying to get me into it but I'm not sure cause I've heard bad things. I strictly use protein powder but am reading up on creatine and if it seems okay I might give it a go.
I know a guy that uses it and he's made incredible gains because of it. It helps you take in protein faster/better and regenerates your muscles faster. Thus it will allow you to lift (a little bit more) more and you don't need to rest as long between workouts.
But I heard it makes your muscles retain water making you look bigger, but also more bloated. And once you stop using it you'll lose this water-weight. I'm not sure about this though as I don't know anybody that has stopped using it.

But i sort of assumed that if it helps you take in protein better/faster it would improve your gains(by protein intake) even if you would lose the water weight. So i don't think you'll lose all the weight it helped you gain.

But I don't have any experience with it, so I'm not 100% sure on all of this.
Yeah i heard you gain water weight which makes you bigger but most of that is lost when you stop it BUT what you gained in non-water weight while you were on it stays (like you said).

It seems like if that is the case then it's good for seeing gains faster. The net gains are just increased even though you drop what you gained from water when you go off it.

I get paid friday so I might get a bit and see what goes on for the first few weeks (that's when you see gains or not supposedly)
Good luck with it.
Personally i don't use it because being lean is all I've got (I'm not very big) so it would suck to get all bloated from the water retention.

please post if it works (or not) when you're done
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+692|6557|Washington St.

Kampframmer wrote:

Good luck with it.
Personally i don't use it because being lean is all I've got (I'm not very big) so it would suck to get all bloated from the water retention.

please post if it works (or not) when you're done
Well I'm pretty skinny too but I feel like if I'm going to try and get bigger and stronger a few supplements could help. And the bloating certainly isn't permanent so once you're off it you can look back and think of it as a smart choice even if DURING it wasn't so fun. I'm going to think of it as like having braces, sucks at the time but it's a small price to pay.

If I go forth with it Ill be sure to let y'all know
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7023|Scotland

Kampframmer wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

Anybody have any experience with creatine? My friend uses it and says it's the bees knees and is trying to get me into it but I'm not sure cause I've heard bad things. I strictly use protein powder but am reading up on creatine and if it seems okay I might give it a go.
I know a guy that uses it and he's made incredible gains because of it. It helps you take in protein faster/better and regenerates your muscles faster. Thus it will allow you to lift (a little bit more) more and you don't need to rest as long between workouts.
But I heard it makes your muscles retain water making you look bigger, but also more bloated. And once you stop using it you'll lose this water-weight. I'm not sure about this though as I don't know anybody that has stopped using it.

But i sort of assumed that if it helps you take in protein better/faster it would improve your gains(by protein intake) even if you would lose the water weight. So i don't think you'll lose all the weight it helped you gain.

But I don't have any experience with it, so I'm not 100% sure on all of this.
It doesn't let you take in protein faster or better.

It allows faster intake of oxygen to the muscles and allows for a larger amount of water to be kept by the muscles, thus increasing muscle mass.

It is the only medically proven supplement to actually enhance gains without using steroids/testosterone.

Creatine does not increase recovery.

Once you stop using you will not lose the water weight, as that water weight is converted into muscle mass when doing the exercise. Creatine instake MUST be broken off for 1-2 weeks after a 1-2 month use phase.

There are two ways of using it: Loading phase - In which you take 20 grams each day for 7 days, and then 3-5 grams for 1-3 months afterwards. The loading phase saturates your muscles so you get used to the creatine. The other method is taking 3-7 grams for 1-2 months with no loading phase. Each way works well, it depends on your body.

You should not (by medical and sports advice) take more than 5g a day unless you're huge.

There are some studies that showed (very recent, not published - I'm friends with a few sports doctors) a side effect of slightly smaller balls, but it is unproven in the long term. Side effects are minimal due to it being a natural chemical in your body.

It improves your power/size/strength by about 5-15%. It doesn't work with everyone though.

I've done it, differences are noticeable. I'm off it for now as I need to get back up to fully fit shape before I start properly again.

There are no kidney problems related to it, after a lot of research and studies.


RDMC:

You should NEVER do cardio before weight. EVER. It tires your muscles out. You might as well not do the weights if you're doing cardio beforehand, it's pretty pointless. Only do it afterwards.

Sounds like you've torn a few fibers in your chest. I had that for a while. Rest up, don't do chest exercises for a few weeks and come back to it. Do not work through the pain. Done it before and all it does is make it worse.
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6832|Area 51

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC:

You should NEVER do cardio before weight. EVER. It tires your muscles out. You might as well not do the weights if you're doing cardio beforehand, it's pretty pointless. Only do it afterwards.

Sounds like you've torn a few fibers in your chest. I had that for a while. Rest up, don't do chest exercises for a few weeks and come back to it. Do not work through the pain. Done it before and all it does is make it worse.
Really? Been doing it wrong all these time then, just out of interest how does cardio tire out my arms muscles, back and chest? I can see how it tires your legs.

And how about warming ups? Or should I just walk in and head straight for the weights section?

Last edited by RDMC (2011-03-22 14:31:45)

Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7023|Scotland

RDMC wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC:

You should NEVER do cardio before weight. EVER. It tires your muscles out. You might as well not do the weights if you're doing cardio beforehand, it's pretty pointless. Only do it afterwards.

Sounds like you've torn a few fibers in your chest. I had that for a while. Rest up, don't do chest exercises for a few weeks and come back to it. Do not work through the pain. Done it before and all it does is make it worse.
Really? Been doing it wrong all these time then, just out of interest how does cardio tire out my arms muscles, back and chest? I can see how it tires your legs.

And how about warming ups? Or should I just walk in and head straight for the weights section?
It gets everything tired out. Cardio is meant to push your endurance in every aspect, whatever you're doing. Your muscles are drained from the cardio and stretched which makes it harder for them to work at any decent rate when lifting weights.

You shouldn't be starting the workout with an elevated heart rate, always workout first. That way when you go onto cardio afterwards, you push your muscles to the absolute limit. They've just been torn (muscle fibers, not actually torn) and are trying to recover, and if you put in cardio and endurance afterwards, you'll get rid of fat faster and improve your overall strength/endurance.

You can do cardio before a workout in the same day if it's in the morning and the workout is in the evening, but it's still not a great idea.

Warming up is up to you. The latest medical studies show that warming up for weight lifting increase your chances of getting severely injured - the reason for this is that your muscles are stretched and tired out with stretching, so are more likely to fail or give way when you're lifting heavy weights. I agree with this diagnosis and never warm up before working out (only my shoulders, but that's rehab work). A quick moving of the shoulders/back/ legs to get you slightly warmed up won't hurt, but nothing more. Go in and get lifting.

I've never gotten injured from not warming up. But each to his own with this, it's entirely up to you if you feel you can manage it.
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6832|Area 51

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC:

You should NEVER do cardio before weight. EVER. It tires your muscles out. You might as well not do the weights if you're doing cardio beforehand, it's pretty pointless. Only do it afterwards.

Sounds like you've torn a few fibers in your chest. I had that for a while. Rest up, don't do chest exercises for a few weeks and come back to it. Do not work through the pain. Done it before and all it does is make it worse.
Really? Been doing it wrong all these time then, just out of interest how does cardio tire out my arms muscles, back and chest? I can see how it tires your legs.

And how about warming ups? Or should I just walk in and head straight for the weights section?
It gets everything tired out. Cardio is meant to push your endurance in every aspect, whatever you're doing. Your muscles are drained from the cardio and stretched which makes it harder for them to work at any decent rate when lifting weights.

You shouldn't be starting the workout with an elevated heart rate, always workout first. That way when you go onto cardio afterwards, you push your muscles to the absolute limit. They've just been torn (muscle fibers, not actually torn) and are trying to recover, and if you put in cardio and endurance afterwards, you'll get rid of fat faster and improve your overall strength/endurance.

You can do cardio before a workout in the same day if it's in the morning and the workout is in the evening, but it's still not a great idea.

Warming up is up to you. The latest medical studies show that warming up for weight lifting increase your chances of getting severely injured - the reason for this is that your muscles are stretched and tired out with stretching, so are more likely to fail or give way when you're lifting heavy weights. I agree with this diagnosis and never warm up before working out (only my shoulders, but that's rehab work). A quick moving of the shoulders/back/ legs to get you slightly warmed up won't hurt, but nothing more. Go in and get lifting.

I've never gotten injured from not warming up. But each to his own with this, it's entirely up to you if you feel you can manage it.
I see. Well thanks for the advice. From now on I'll try doing weights first then!

EDIT: Also I'll lay off with the chest exercises for the coming weeks, don't really want to but I guess it's better than risking an injury.

Last edited by RDMC (2011-03-22 14:43:37)

HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5751|Bolingbrook, Illinois
my warmup is 1x10 of 33% of what ill be working out with, then 1x3 of 66% of what ill be working out with.  then i start my 5x5
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5445|Sydney

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

RDMC:

You should NEVER do cardio before weight. EVER. It tires your muscles out. You might as well not do the weights if you're doing cardio beforehand, it's pretty pointless. Only do it afterwards.

Sounds like you've torn a few fibers in your chest. I had that for a while. Rest up, don't do chest exercises for a few weeks and come back to it. Do not work through the pain. Done it before and all it does is make it worse.
Really? Been doing it wrong all these time then, just out of interest how does cardio tire out my arms muscles, back and chest? I can see how it tires your legs.

And how about warming ups? Or should I just walk in and head straight for the weights section?
It gets everything tired out. Cardio is meant to push your endurance in every aspect, whatever you're doing. Your muscles are drained from the cardio and stretched which makes it harder for them to work at any decent rate when lifting weights.

You shouldn't be starting the workout with an elevated heart rate, always workout first. That way when you go onto cardio afterwards, you push your muscles to the absolute limit. They've just been torn (muscle fibers, not actually torn) and are trying to recover, and if you put in cardio and endurance afterwards, you'll get rid of fat faster and improve your overall strength/endurance.

You can do cardio before a workout in the same day if it's in the morning and the workout is in the evening, but it's still not a great idea.

Warming up is up to you. The latest medical studies show that warming up for weight lifting increase your chances of getting severely injured - the reason for this is that your muscles are stretched and tired out with stretching, so are more likely to fail or give way when you're lifting heavy weights. I agree with this diagnosis and never warm up before working out (only my shoulders, but that's rehab work). A quick moving of the shoulders/back/ legs to get you slightly warmed up won't hurt, but nothing more. Go in and get lifting.

I've never gotten injured from not warming up. But each to his own with this, it's entirely up to you if you feel you can manage it.
I always warm up 2x5 sets of squats (50kg then 60 kg, working weight atm is 82kg), more to get the form down than anything. Also spend 3-5 minutes of a moderate pace on a stationary bike.

Interesting about the warm up, because everything I've read says you should warm up. Have you got a link to any studies? I'd been keen to read up about it.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-03-22 15:43:16)

PrivateVendetta
I DEMAND XMAS THEME
+704|6458|Roma
Got to 60KG + bar squat today after about a weeks break.
Met someone else doing 5x5 as well, just shows who could be hiding if you go at a different time of day. Gave me some encouragement, he had been doing it for over a year and had moved on from 5x5, but he wasn't lifting much more than me and said he was impressed.
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/29388/stopped%20scrolling%21.png
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7023|Scotland

My bad, got confused with wording. I meant stretching. Any sort of static stretching or lengthening of the muscles prior to working out is the problem.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/122341.php
http://blogs.indystar.com/fitforlife/20 … -injuries/
http://peakperformance.runnersworld.com … mance.html
http://www.ulzi.net/warm-up-stretching- … t-injuries

I know it's relating to running here, but same is applied to working out. Can't find the actual link I read up on before.

Warming up is good. Just make sure it's ultra light and it doesn't last too long. Need a good amount of time for the workout.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5445|Sydney
Oh. Yeah I've read similar about stretching. I read ballistic stretches can be good pre-workout, but I never stretch, except for a couple different ones post-workout only.

50kg feels easy, and 60kg is just making sure I'm ready for the working weight. I do a 30kg bench press for a warmup (yesterday's working weight was 46kg) and only a 50kg deadlift warm up. I don't warm up for bent over rows or standing overhead presses.

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