UnkleRukus
That Guy
+236|5425|Massachusetts, USA

Jaekus wrote:

13rin wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Eh in some cities in the U.S. as long as you don't leave behind prints or something you can probably get away with shooting some random person on the street.
I wouldn't run from the Law.  But know them as it depends on the State you're IN.  In Florida the duty to retreat has been removed.  The castle doctrine has been extended from your home to include your automobile.  Statute specifically prohibits from prosecution if proved you have stood your ground when forcibly challenged.  This did lead to unintended consequences a year or two ago, whereas a gang member was able to claim this when members of another gang engaged him in a firefight.  A glitch bill was worked to fix this. 

Also remember that yes, deadly force can be used to prevent a forcible felony, but for fuck's sake pick your goddamn battle as it will put your life on hold for potentially years and you'll be totally fucked if proved wrong (let alone living with the guilt of killing someone when you shouldn't have).
See all that makes sense. But someone like shifty would in all likelihood end up botching the getaway, get caught by the authorities and have to explain why he fled a situation where he killed someone. A good prosecution could put him in prison for years.
We could only hope that will happen.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,068|7160|PNW

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Can we please keep this away from politics and ethics? Take it to DST if need be.

Stingray24 wrote:

Thanks, I was just about to say the same.  No matter why anyone chooses to carry, I'm just looking for opinion on the hardware here.
DST is that-a-way.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6495|eXtreme to the maX

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Have you tried shooting a .357 snubby with full loads?
Recoil is pretty severe.
Fuck Israel
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6886

Dilbert_X wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Have you tried shooting a .357 snubby with full loads?
Recoil is pretty severe.
you don't have to shoot full magnum loads, that gun will handle .38 just fine.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6834|The Land of Scott Walker

lowing wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6367|Blue Mountain State

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Get a Glock 27 .40 S&W. Then you can get a 9mm and 357 SIG barrels and have three guns in one.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6834|The Land of Scott Walker
That sounds like a great option.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
No one ever has anything bad to say about Glock for reliability. The only negative about Glock is the grips. They can be thick in smaller hands. 2 competitors you may wanna look at are Springfield XD's and SW M&P's. Just as reliable and might feel better in your hand.

I recently bought a new pistol ( Sig Saur P220)  so I have been reading up a lot in the forums, and Glock Springfield and SW all seem to be neck in neck for reliability and price, most complaints are about the Glock grips, I just wanted a SA pistol since I already have my glock. Let me know whatcha get I am curious.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7073|United States of America

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Get a Glock 27 .40 S&W. Then you can get a 9mm and 357 SIG barrels and have three guns in one.
But then you have to change the barrels. Get your own two-in-one gun.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6834|The Land of Scott Walker
Handled my cousin's XD .40 and the balance feels perfect.  For some reason I can get a sight picture more easily with the XD compared to the Glock.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Get a Glock 27 .40 S&W. Then you can get a 9mm and 357 SIG barrels and have three guns in one.
Have you shot a 27? I keep reading how snappy it is, making target acquisition take a little longer.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

Stingray24 wrote:

Handled my cousin's XD .40 and the balance feels perfect.  For some reason I can get a sight picture more easily with the XD compared to the Glock.
Well reliability isn't an issue with the XD, so if it feels better in your hand and aims easier for you, those are big strikes against the glock.
Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7131|London

is XD a gun or are you just making that XD smiley face
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

Dauntless wrote:

is XD a gun or are you just making that XD smiley face
lol no it is a springfield XD DA semi auto.
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6367|Blue Mountain State

lowing wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Get a Glock 27 .40 S&W. Then you can get a 9mm and 357 SIG barrels and have three guns in one.
Have you shot a 27? I keep reading how snappy it is, making target acquisition take a little longer.
Used to own one. Got rid of it because of the size. Traded it in for a 23.

I don't think it was that snappy. No more than the 23 or any other .40 I have.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

lowing wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:


Get a Glock 27 .40 S&W. Then you can get a 9mm and 357 SIG barrels and have three guns in one.
Have you shot a 27? I keep reading how snappy it is, making target acquisition take a little longer.
Used to own one. Got rid of it because of the size. Traded it in for a 23.

I don't think it was that snappy. No more than the 23 or any other .40 I have.
Glock 23 is your CCW, or one of them? Have you shot the XD or the M&P if so what is your opinion on those?
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6367|Blue Mountain State
I don't have a CCW, yet. I just turned 21. Gonna wait till I'm back from Afghanistan to get my permit.

I've only shot the full size XDM in .40. I liked it. I wouldn't mind owning one, but I prefer Glocks.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6495|eXtreme to the maX

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Because you need at least 15 rounds for self defence?
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6495|eXtreme to the maX

13urnzz wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Aright gents, let's try to keep it civil and leave the off-topic jabs to PMs and karma.

After mulling over what was said in the previous thread and talking to some friends who carry, I've started looking at revolvers.  This one has the addition of a laser sight.  For $499 at Gander Mountain it's not a bad option from what I've seen so far.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ … 7751_image

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Sm … ards38.jpg
Have you tried shooting a .357 snubby with full loads?
Recoil is pretty severe.
you don't have to shoot full magnum loads, that gun will handle .38 just fine.
True enough, I forgot no-one makes .38s an more.

Another gun I nearly bought:

https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Colt_DS/955ColtDSLM.jpg

https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Colt_DS/961ColtDSCylOpenM.jpg

My Trooper MkIII was pretty good.
Fuck Israel
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5567|Sydney

UnkleRukus wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

13rin wrote:


I wouldn't run from the Law.  But know them as it depends on the State you're IN.  In Florida the duty to retreat has been removed.  The castle doctrine has been extended from your home to include your automobile.  Statute specifically prohibits from prosecution if proved you have stood your ground when forcibly challenged.  This did lead to unintended consequences a year or two ago, whereas a gang member was able to claim this when members of another gang engaged him in a firefight.  A glitch bill was worked to fix this. 

Also remember that yes, deadly force can be used to prevent a forcible felony, but for fuck's sake pick your goddamn battle as it will put your life on hold for potentially years and you'll be totally fucked if proved wrong (let alone living with the guilt of killing someone when you shouldn't have).
See all that makes sense. But someone like shifty would in all likelihood end up botching the getaway, get caught by the authorities and have to explain why he fled a situation where he killed someone. A good prosecution could put him in prison for years.
We could only hope that will happen.
Have faith my son.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Why carry 5 shots of .38, when you can carry 14 or 15 shots of 9 mm or .40 sw? Get a semi auto and more shots. With it you got CCW and home and truck protection.
Good point.  Glock is looking very attractive in price and reliability.
Because you need at least 15 rounds for self defence?
From the guy that doesn't think you should be able to carry 1 round of self defense?

What difference does it make yo you?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6495|eXtreme to the maX
If it means crazies can get hold of high capacity magazines then it makes a difference to me.

Really, most people don't really need a self-defence weapon except in circumstances they could probably avoid. Even then they don't need a full-size pistol with a 15 round mag - unless they know 15 people who don't like them.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|7040|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

If it means crazies can get hold of high capacity magazines then it makes a difference to me.

Really, most people don't really need a self-defence weapon except in circumstances they could probably avoid. Even then they don't need a full-size pistol with a 15 round mag - unless they know 15 people who don't like them.
Wow, YOU'RE GENERALIZING!!! The vast majority of people that CCW are not "crazies".

No YOU don't need a self defense weapon. It is not for you to decide or impose your opinions on the rest of us, nor deem us all crazies for not agreeing with you.
13rin
Member
+977|6868

lowing wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

lowing wrote:


Have you shot a 27? I keep reading how snappy it is, making target acquisition take a little longer.
Used to own one. Got rid of it because of the size. Traded it in for a 23.

I don't think it was that snappy. No more than the 23 or any other .40 I have.
Glock 23 is your CCW, or one of them? Have you shot the XD or the M&P if so what is your opinion on those?
I had a 23.  Was my first pistol... *tear.   I love that gun.  Got fucking awesome with it.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7103|US

Dilbert_X wrote:

If it means crazies can get hold of high capacity magazines then it makes a difference to me.

Really, most people don't really need a self-defence weapon except in circumstances they could probably avoid. Even then they don't need a full-size pistol with a 15 round mag - unless they know 15 people who don't like them.
Which arbitrary limit would you like?

You do realize that pistol ammunition has a relatively low rate of instant/near-instant incapacitation, don't you?  It can take several rounds to stop an attacker.  Now, factor in the possibility of missing while under immense stress and the possibility of multiple attackers.  How many rounds to you think it would take?

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