13rin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Its not like he invaded the wrong country or anything, calm down.
Did Bush ever apologise for that, or all the lives lost?
Not talking about Bush, calm down.
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I'm usually critical of the amount of money spent on defense in the US, but as long as some of it is funding stuff like this, all is forgiven.
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13rin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

No. It's not like he's handing out MoHs every other day. Those are so few and far between--and should be such an honor for him to be involved in--that every detail should be ingrained in his brain until the day he dies. Especially the first one. Especially if it was posthumous.

Not going to say he's a disgrace to the military. That's a bit harsh. Honestly, I think civil-military relations have improved overall under Obama (mainly because of Gates...we'll see how Panetta does). But he gets no slack for this slip up.
Oh but he did get slack for this.  No major news network is running this story.  He called he family and apologized, but I still stand by that statement.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/06/ … ghanistan/
What I meant to say is he shouldn't get any slack. Of course he'll get a complete pass by the media.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Its not like he invaded the wrong country or anything, calm down.
Did Bush ever apologise for that, or all the lives lost?
it wasn't the wrong country. Bush intended to invade Iraq.

But we get it. You hate Bush. It's nuanced, sure...but we picked up on it.
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Bush intended to invade the country with the WMDs.
That was Iran, not Iraq, an easy mistake I guess.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Bush intended to invade the country with the WMDs.
That was Iran, not Iraq, an easy mistake I guess.
No, he intended to invade the country that had violated UNSC resolutions approximately 18 times, many of which involved that country's WMD program and UN inspections. That country would be Iraq. Easy mistake for you to make, I guess. "q" is sooo close to "n" on the keyboard and all...
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Except Iraq didn't really violate any UNSC resolutions, since it didn't have any WMD programs.
UN Inspectors found nothing either, despite years of inspections.

The putative 'violations' amounted to nothing more than 'we know you have WMD programs, therefore you must be hiding them from us'.
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He's referring to their violations during the 90s, Iraq did have weapons programs during that time.

We went over this countless of times already, is there a problem with your memory?
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So the 'violations' stopped and yet we claimed they continued?

All the while Iran was blatantly developing WMDs and missile capabilities?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So the 'violations' stopped and yet we claimed they continued?
Yep that's what happened. Despite the fact that they were wrong, there were more than enough reasons to be concerned.

Dilbert_X wrote:

All the while Iran was blatantly developing WMDs and missile capabilities?
Iran wasn't nearly as dangerous as Iraq was.
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Shocking wrote:

Iran wasn't nearly as dangerous as Iraq wasn't.
Fixed
Despite the fact that they were wrong, there were more than enough reasons to be concerned.
There were no reasons at all.

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Saddam wasn't dangerous?

What sort of fantasy history do you read?
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Are we talking about Iraq or Saddam?
Iraq was a toothless tiger.
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Saddam controlled Iraq. Under his leadership, Iraq was dangerous.

Maybe not directly for any western country but most definitely for the ME.
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are you kidding? iraq was 10x more stable under saddam than it is under any of the mindless factional blood-letters that want power now.
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Shocking wrote:

Saddam controlled Iraq. Under his leadership, Iraq was dangerous.

Maybe not directly for any western country but most definitely for the ME.
Not really.
So, anyway, why didn't any ME countries join in on the Iraq invasion?
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the only way to deal with sectarian conflicts in the nation-model is to put it out with a totalitarian stamped boot ala saddam or to split the country between the separate dividing parties... in which case we're not talking about an 'iraq' and its danger to the middle-east at all, we're talking about 'x' group's potential volatility... the nation model is already outdated in the west, where we're all assuming international trade-economic and political conglomerations, so i'm not sure why we're so intent on imposing it on everybody else.
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well actually, i am sure, it's called 'divide and conquer' for them and 'combine and overpower' for us.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

There were no reasons at all.
He developed a biological weapons program.
He developed a chemical weapons program.

Both gave him good results, even if the programs were disbanded, due to all the research that had been done they would easily be revived if necessary. He tested his gas on the Kurds, if you remember. Furthermore, he was definitely interested in nuclear weapons and did want to create them. To top it all off he was hostile to all his neighbours, untrustworthy and unpredictable. Due to fears of further UN sanctions and perhaps even invasion, he disbanded his programs. Yet there is no doubt that if the UNSC stopped sitting on top of him for even just a brief moment, he would have restarted his programs.

And you're telling me there were no reasons to be concerned about Iraq?
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Uzique wrote:

are you kidding? iraq was 10x more stable under saddam than it is under any of the mindless factional blood-letters that want power now.
I'm not saying Iraq wasn't stable under Saddam, it was.
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Shocking wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

There were no reasons at all.
He developed a biological weapons program.
He developed a chemical weapons program.

Both gave him good results, even if the programs were disbanded, due to all the research that had been done they would easily be revived if necessary. He tested his gas on the Kurds, if you remember. Furthermore, he was definitely interested in nuclear weapons and did want to create them. To top it all off he was hostile to all his neighbours, untrustworthy and unpredictable. Due to fears of further UN sanctions and perhaps even invasion, he disbanded his programs. Yet there is no doubt that if the UNSC stopped sitting on top of him for even just a brief moment, he would have restarted his programs.

And you're telling me there were no reasons to be concerned about Iraq?
None of which was really unique or any reason to invade, any more than North Korea or China or many others.

Bush wanted a whipping boy for various reasons, and found Iraq.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-06-30 05:33:51)

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Blah blah blah who gives a fuck? It's 2011. Find a new schtick.
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The precedent for the Iraq war was made under Clinton, he wanted him gone too - not just Bush. I don't think creating a second North Korea would've been in anyone's best interest.
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Shocking wrote:

The precedent for the Iraq war was made under Clinton, he wanted him gone too - not just Bush. I don't think creating a second North Korea would've been in anyone's best interest.
Woah buddy, don't argue with lowi.. i mean dilbert
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Shocking wrote:

The precedent for the Iraq war was made under Clinton, he wanted him gone too - not just Bush. I don't think creating a second North Korea would've been in anyone's best interest.
So why didn't Clinton invade Iraq?
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Shocking wrote:

The precedent for the Iraq war was made under Clinton, he wanted him gone too - not just Bush. I don't think creating a second North Korea would've been in anyone's best interest.
iraq becoming a second north korea? really?
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