BF2S Forums Conceal carry choices Pt 2

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Fair enough. Just to me it sounds like you're taking enough precautions as it is.
I guess it's a cultural thing. Over here no one carries or owns guns, unless they are farmers.

move to Atlanta, and see if you change your mind.

You will not believe this, but in my youth, early 20's I was all for gun control and used the pretty much the same arguments used against me, ( except the bullshit about all gun owners being crazed paranoid freaks hell bent on gunning someone down) but as the realities of life and society took hold, I realized I was wrong.

Aww, someone is scurred of black people. How cute.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime/


If you are pinning the crime in Atlanta to black people that is for you to explain. I simply have stated and now shown crime in Atlanta is high and there really is no denying it.

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-30 11:20:56)

ive lived here my entire life and ive never once felt unsafe

lowing wrote:

coolstorybro wrote:

ive lived here my entire life and ive never once felt unsafe

WHere EXACTLY do you live?

If you feel unsafe, act like a normal person and move. You keep telling us how well you do in life. Why do you live in the ghetto?

it must suck to live in fear

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If it means crazies can get hold of high capacity magazines then it makes a difference to me.

Really, most people don't really need a self-defence weapon except in circumstances they could probably avoid. Even then they don't need a full-size pistol with a 15 round mag - unless they know 15 people who don't like them.

Which arbitrary limit would you like?

You do realize that pistol ammunition has a relatively low rate of instant/near-instant incapacitation, don't you?  It can take several rounds to stop an attacker.  Now, factor in the possibility of missing while under immense stress and the possibility of multiple attackers.  How many rounds to you think it would take?

Every missed shot is a stray bullet which could kill a bystander, if you need more than five or six shots you need to learn to shoot, not get into that kind of situation in the first place, and if 2-3 guys are gunning for you you've probably had it before you've even drawn.

Does everyone who carries concealed have or need a full size pistol with a 15 round magazine? I doubt it.

Large cap magazines just encourage people to spray bullets around in the hope of hitting something.

No, not everyone carries double-stack pistols.  Single-stack pistols are easier to carry (width and weight). 
I'm thinking of getting something like a Kahr PM9 (6+1 in 9mm).  I'd probably carry an extra mag due to the fact that most malfunctions in semi-auto pistols are mag related.  In the risk management department, I'm comfortable with being able to stop 1-2 attackers.  That covers most scenarios involving lethal force, which occur rarely anyway. 
I don't really believe the "I'm in a safe place" argument, having lost a friend to an active shooter at a university.  Sure, some places are safer than others, but bad things can happen anywhere.  CCW just offers another layer of insurance.

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

If you feel unsafe, act like a normal person and move. You keep telling us how well you do in life. Why do you live in the ghetto?

I don't live in the ghetto, I drive to Atlanta almost daily, and I never said I felt unsafe. I said Atlanta has high crime especially car jacking, and I carry to give me a fighting chance against such an occurrence.

So now, tell me how and why you automatically tie all of this to black people?

I did move I moved close to the mountains. Still gotta make that drive though.

Because your racism oozes out of every post you've written on this forum.

lol.

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/m … lster2.jpg

got one, didn't get a holster for it though..lol

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Which arbitrary limit would you like?

You do realize that pistol ammunition has a relatively low rate of instant/near-instant incapacitation, don't you?  It can take several rounds to stop an attacker.  Now, factor in the possibility of missing while under immense stress and the possibility of multiple attackers.  How many rounds to you think it would take?

Every missed shot is a stray bullet which could kill a bystander, if you need more than five or six shots you need to learn to shoot, not get into that kind of situation in the first place, and if 2-3 guys are gunning for you you've probably had it before you've even drawn.

Does everyone who carries concealed have or need a full size pistol with a 15 round magazine? I doubt it.

Large cap magazines just encourage people to spray bullets around in the hope of hitting something.

No, not everyone carries double-stack pistols.  Single-stack pistols are easier to carry (width and weight). 
I'm thinking of getting something like a Kahr PM9 (6+1 in 9mm).  I'd probably carry an extra mag due to the fact that most malfunctions in semi-auto pistols are mag related.  In the risk management department, I'm comfortable with being able to stop 1-2 attackers.  That covers most scenarios involving lethal force, which occur rarely anyway. 
I don't really believe the "I'm in a safe place" argument, having lost a friend to an active shooter at a university.  Sure, some places are safer than others, but bad things can happen anywhere.  CCW just offers another layer of insurance.

Khar PM9 seems to be a good choice, but man the price for one sure is up there.

lowing wrote:

coolstorybro wrote:

it must suck to live in fear

your words not mine, I do not "live in fear" . I said Atlanta has a high crime rate, again, your denial of that fact is something beyond my control.

By you not telling me where you live leads me to believe you do not live anywhere near the city.

i live a lot closer than you if youre in the mountains, but my location is meaningless. where did i say atlanta has or doesnt have a high crime rate? and also did you read the part where i said i dont care whether or not people choose to carry? i just said i dont feel that i need to

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

If you feel unsafe, act like a normal person and move. You keep telling us how well you do in life. Why do you live in the ghetto?

I don't live in the ghetto, I drive to Atlanta almost daily, and I never said I felt unsafe. I said Atlanta has high crime especially car jacking, and I carry to give me a fighting chance against such an occurrence.

So now, tell me how and why you automatically tie all of this to black people?

I did move I moved close to the mountains. Still gotta make that drive though.

Because your racism oozes out of every post you've written on this forum.

You are racist for generalizing that all crimes in Atlanta are 'caused by blacks. Lowing didn't mention blacks, nor did he try to refer to them in any way like you may think.

War Man wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

I don't live in the ghetto, I drive to Atlanta almost daily, and I never said I felt unsafe. I said Atlanta has high crime especially car jacking, and I carry to give me a fighting chance against such an occurrence.

So now, tell me how and why you automatically tie all of this to black people?

I did move I moved close to the mountains. Still gotta make that drive though.

Because your racism oozes out of every post you've written on this forum.

You are racist for generalizing that all crimes in Atlanta are 'caused by blacks. Lowing didn't mention blacks, nor did he try to refer to them in any way like you may think.

Nah, the majority of crime committed in Atlanta is by black people. It's not racist to say it when it's a fact. I myself have spent a bit of time in Atlanta and it's really not a place I'd want to raise my kids.

I call lowing a racist because he is. He's always very careful to never say anything overt but I've caught him quoting from the damn David Duke website in the past. lowing does in fact assume that any black man walking down the street is a potential threat to him. I doubt he brushes against his pistol to make sure it's there when it's a white person walking past him.

Your hero is a racist war man. Sorry to tell ya.

tbh i don't mind war man either, or anyone here for that matter

Jay wrote:

War Man wrote:

Jay wrote:

Because your racism oozes out of every post you've written on this forum.

You are racist for generalizing that all crimes in Atlanta are 'caused by blacks. Lowing didn't mention blacks, nor did he try to refer to them in any way like you may think.

Nah, the majority of crime committed in Atlanta is by black people. It's not racist to say it when it's a fact. I myself have spent a bit of time in Atlanta and it's really not a place I'd want to raise my kids.

I call lowing a racist because he is. He's always very careful to never say anything overt but I've caught him quoting from the damn David Duke website in the past. lowing does in fact assume that any black man walking down the street is a potential threat to him. I doubt he brushes against his pistol to make sure it's there when it's a white person walking past him.

Your hero is a racist war man. Sorry to tell ya.

You got anything to back up anything you said here, I mean since you are calling it "fact". Or are you just giving your opinion?

And I have never been to a David Duke website Jay, sorry.