That is bullshit. AQ has bombed hotels, resorts, embassies, night clubs, train stations, financial centers, military installations, ships on and on, and for you to say you knew it wasn't AQ because of what was bombed is non-sense. Also I am not talking about the shooting spree, I am talking about the bombing.Spark wrote:
I didn't, because of what Jaekus said. This is not an AQ-style operation. Targeting a particular political party - not the government at large - makes no sense for AQ. They hate all of us, why would they harbour special ire for a political party? Again, you are the one who jumped to the conclusion that this had to be AQ. Many of us are wise enough to know that other people do these kind of things as well.lowing wrote:
ok you do know there was a bombing attached to this attack right? and you do know it went off before the shooting spree right? Are you really going to lie, and say you thought that bombing was not the result of an Islamic attack? If you, you are lying plain and simple.Jaekus wrote:
I see "single person shooting spree" and know this isn't the M.O. of AQ.
a particular political party - not the government at large - makes no sense for AQ.
Fuck Israel
What was bombed was the PM's office.lowing wrote:
That is bullshit. AQ has bombed hotels, resorts, embassies, night clubs, train stations, financial centers, military installations, ships on and on, and for you to say you knew it wasn't AQ because of what was bombed is non-sense. Also I am not talking about the shooting spree, I am talking about the bombing.Spark wrote:
I didn't, because of what Jaekus said. This is not an AQ-style operation. Targeting a particular political party - not the government at large - makes no sense for AQ. They hate all of us, why would they harbour special ire for a political party? Again, you are the one who jumped to the conclusion that this had to be AQ. Many of us are wise enough to know that other people do these kind of things as well.lowing wrote:
ok you do know there was a bombing attached to this attack right? and you do know it went off before the shooting spree right? Are you really going to lie, and say you thought that bombing was not the result of an Islamic attack? If you, you are lying plain and simple.
This was an assassination attempt. Kind of twigged that it might not be AQ - just not the sort of thing they do. But of course, terrorism has to be Islamic, right?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I feel there's little to be understood. Ravings of a madman... but I'm sure his profile will be taken into consideration to try and spot future terrorists like him.Kmar wrote:
Understanding and supporting are two separate things.Shocking wrote:
Undoubtedly he has some sort of rationale but there is no justification to do what he did regardless of what he's saying. His logic is flawed.Kmar wrote:
That's a myth we tell ourselves in order to deal with the nasty side of humanity. Even the sociopath has a certain rationale. Now, being that the attacks were so recent, it is considerably insensitive to give him a stage whilst so many people are still in recent deep mourning.
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Well no shit, that is pretty much covering all of your bases huh? A foreign terror attack, (Islamic terrorism) or a local terror attack. Pretty much covers everything except an invasion from Mars. SHiT I think we ALL coulda made that prediction.Jenspm wrote:
Just FYI, the guardian instantly went out and said that this was probably one of two things: a foreign terror cell, or a local right-wing nutjob.lowing wrote:
ok you do know there was a bombing attached to this attack right? and you do know it went off before the shooting spree right? Are you really going to lie, and say you thought that bombing was not the result of an Islamic attack? If you, you are lying plain and simple.Jaekus wrote:
I see "single person shooting spree" and know this isn't the M.O. of AQ.
Not everyone assumes it's a muslim, lowing.
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And everyone should have, instead of jumping on the Islamic terrorism assumption.lowing wrote:
Well no shit, that is pretty much covering all of your bases huh? A foreign terror attack, (Islamic terrorism) or a local terror attack. Pretty much covers everything except an invasion from Mars. SHiT I think we ALL coulda made that prediction.Jenspm wrote:
Just FYI, the guardian instantly went out and said that this was probably one of two things: a foreign terror cell, or a local right-wing nutjob.lowing wrote:
ok you do know there was a bombing attached to this attack right? and you do know it went off before the shooting spree right? Are you really going to lie, and say you thought that bombing was not the result of an Islamic attack? If you, you are lying plain and simple.
Not everyone assumes it's a muslim, lowing.
What was bombed was an entire ministry. It's impossible for anyone to have guessed what it was after the initial attack, I got my doubts at the shooting spree because only then it became clear that this was a politically motivated attack.Spark wrote:
What was bombed was the PM's office.
This was an assassination attempt. Kind of twigged that it might not be AQ - just not the sort of thing they do. But of course, terrorism has to be Islamic, right?
After the bombing the only leads people had were that Al Qaeda threatened Norway in the past, blimey that people speculated about ME terrorism. Some news channels were much worse than others (say, Fox) - but it wasn't an illogical conclusion motivated by hatred for them muslims - which is what some people are trying to portray it as.
inane little opines
Was there a point to that? Soldiers pray all the time for safety and victory, does not make their fight a holy fight.Kmar wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/idINIndia-58430320110725April 6, 2011 - "I leased a car ... I needed this car as I had an introduction meeting with a farm owner the next day."
April 7 - "I had an introduction meeting with the (farm) owner, Petter and his girlfriend Tonje ... It turned out Petter was renting out the farm for the next 2,5 years due to the fact that he was going to jail ... At this point in time I lived with my mom, in order to conserve as much of my funds as possible."
April 9 - "I was inflicted with a virus by my mother and I came down with something that later appeared to be a very resilient throat infection."
April 25 - "I was finally back to normal. I had spent the past couple of weeks playing through Dragon Age II and a couple of other newly released games. Awesome!"
April 27 - "I made the order for the fertilizer which were to be delivered a week later. Prior to making this order I had officially registered my company as an agricultural entity ... allowing me to make orders from the national farming supplier."
"The last week in the capital I spent a lot of time with friends, partying and attending various social events. I knew that it would be the last chance, for a very long time, I would enjoy their presence."
"I would shortly solely rely on my 10 credit cards with a total of 29 000 credit."
May 2 - "I drove up to the farm with my newly leased Fiat Doblo with all the equipment and gear/clothing I needed."
May 3 - "I built the fume hood from the PVC plates and screws that was enclosed in the box. It was like an IKEA set and after a few hours I had completed it."
May 5 - "I started to grind the aspirin tablets today, at first using a mortar and pestle. After a few hours my hands hurt and I realised this method wasn't going to work out for this quantity. I decided I wanted to try an untraditional method by pouring the tabs on a large plastic sheet on the floor, using gravity to crush them with my 20kg dumbbell."
May 8 - "Failure is not an option for me."
May 11 - "It's quite ironic being situated practically on top of the largest military base in the country. It would have saved me a lot of hassle if I could just "borrow" a cup of sugar and 3kg of C4 from my dear neighbour:-)"
May 14 - "I continued to synthesise acetylsalicylic acid from aspirin ... It's the Eurovision finale today. I just love Eurovision...!:-) ... My country has a crap, politically correct contribution as always. An asylum seeker from Kenya, performing a bongo song, very representative of Europe and my country."
May 24 - "To my great disappointment, crushing the prills with the dumbbell failed miserably."
May 26 - "Shopping for blenders. Bought around 12 - stationary and handheld, different brands for testing."
May 27 - "Started crushing fert prills, testing out the various blenders ... Found a perfect blender; Electrolux."
June 6 - "Bought two more blenders ... Watching "The Shield", a couple of episodes each day on average."
June 11 - "I prayed for the first time in a very long time today. I explained to God that unless he wanted the Marxist-Islamic alliance and the certain Islamic takeover of Europe to completely annihilate European Christendom within the next hundred years he must ensure that the warriors fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."
June 13 - "I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site ... I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured ... BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-)"
June 25 - "I decided to drive down to the southern town, eat and pick up some Chinese takeaway. There was a relatively hot girl on the restaurant today checking me out. Refined individuals like myself is a rare commodity here so I notice I do get a lot of attention ... It's the way I dress and look."
June 30 - "This house is infested with beetles. Just now I was about to reach for a chocolate in my goodie bag and a beetle had crawled in ... After that I started killing every little insect in view. And I'm up to 18 just in the last hour."
July 2 - "I took my mom out to dinner this evening, then hooked up with Axel for a coffee afterwards, discussing politics. Oh, how I missed these discussions...:-)"
July 4 - "Began the preparations for a trip to extract the armour cache I had dug down a year ago in July 2010."
July 15 - "I took the train to the capital today to pick up the car I had reserved. Took a taxi from the train station to the car rental company. Came back to the farm late in the evening."
July 18 - "That night, after dark, I loaded in everything in the van. Still need to strap it properly in place though. Tested gear. Exhausted!!! Good workout though. I'm drinking 4 x protein shakes per day now to maximize muscle generation."
July 22 - "Initiate blasting sequences at pre-determined sites ... Have enough material for at least 20 blasts ... This is going to be an all-or-nothing scenario ... First coming costume party this autumn, dress up as a police officer. Arrive with insignias:-) Will be awesome as people will be very astonished:-) ... Side note; imagine if law enforcement would visit me the next days. They would probably get the wrong idea and think I was a terrorist, lol."
You need to read on after "I prayed"lowing wrote:
Was there a point to that? Soldiers pray all the time for safety and victory, does not make their fight a holy fight.
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Fuck Israel
Knowledge always benefits us in some way. I believe there is a lot to understand with people like this. It's dismissive to just call someone crazy. That's very dangerous.Shocking wrote:
I feel there's little to be understood. Ravings of a madman... but I'm sure his profile will be taken into consideration to try and spot future terrorists like him.Kmar wrote:
Understanding and supporting are two separate things.Shocking wrote:
Undoubtedly he has some sort of rationale but there is no justification to do what he did regardless of what he's saying. His logic is flawed.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Specifically "fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."?lowing wrote:
Was there a point to that? Soldiers pray all the time for safety and victory, does not make their fight a holy fight.Kmar wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/idINIndia-58430320110725April 6, 2011 - "I leased a car ... I needed this car as I had an introduction meeting with a farm owner the next day."
April 7 - "I had an introduction meeting with the (farm) owner, Petter and his girlfriend Tonje ... It turned out Petter was renting out the farm for the next 2,5 years due to the fact that he was going to jail ... At this point in time I lived with my mom, in order to conserve as much of my funds as possible."
April 9 - "I was inflicted with a virus by my mother and I came down with something that later appeared to be a very resilient throat infection."
April 25 - "I was finally back to normal. I had spent the past couple of weeks playing through Dragon Age II and a couple of other newly released games. Awesome!"
April 27 - "I made the order for the fertilizer which were to be delivered a week later. Prior to making this order I had officially registered my company as an agricultural entity ... allowing me to make orders from the national farming supplier."
"The last week in the capital I spent a lot of time with friends, partying and attending various social events. I knew that it would be the last chance, for a very long time, I would enjoy their presence."
"I would shortly solely rely on my 10 credit cards with a total of 29 000 credit."
May 2 - "I drove up to the farm with my newly leased Fiat Doblo with all the equipment and gear/clothing I needed."
May 3 - "I built the fume hood from the PVC plates and screws that was enclosed in the box. It was like an IKEA set and after a few hours I had completed it."
May 5 - "I started to grind the aspirin tablets today, at first using a mortar and pestle. After a few hours my hands hurt and I realised this method wasn't going to work out for this quantity. I decided I wanted to try an untraditional method by pouring the tabs on a large plastic sheet on the floor, using gravity to crush them with my 20kg dumbbell."
May 8 - "Failure is not an option for me."
May 11 - "It's quite ironic being situated practically on top of the largest military base in the country. It would have saved me a lot of hassle if I could just "borrow" a cup of sugar and 3kg of C4 from my dear neighbour:-)"
May 14 - "I continued to synthesise acetylsalicylic acid from aspirin ... It's the Eurovision finale today. I just love Eurovision...!:-) ... My country has a crap, politically correct contribution as always. An asylum seeker from Kenya, performing a bongo song, very representative of Europe and my country."
May 24 - "To my great disappointment, crushing the prills with the dumbbell failed miserably."
May 26 - "Shopping for blenders. Bought around 12 - stationary and handheld, different brands for testing."
May 27 - "Started crushing fert prills, testing out the various blenders ... Found a perfect blender; Electrolux."
June 6 - "Bought two more blenders ... Watching "The Shield", a couple of episodes each day on average."
June 11 - "I prayed for the first time in a very long time today. I explained to God that unless he wanted the Marxist-Islamic alliance and the certain Islamic takeover of Europe to completely annihilate European Christendom within the next hundred years he must ensure that the warriors fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."
June 13 - "I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site ... I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured ... BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-)"
June 25 - "I decided to drive down to the southern town, eat and pick up some Chinese takeaway. There was a relatively hot girl on the restaurant today checking me out. Refined individuals like myself is a rare commodity here so I notice I do get a lot of attention ... It's the way I dress and look."
June 30 - "This house is infested with beetles. Just now I was about to reach for a chocolate in my goodie bag and a beetle had crawled in ... After that I started killing every little insect in view. And I'm up to 18 just in the last hour."
July 2 - "I took my mom out to dinner this evening, then hooked up with Axel for a coffee afterwards, discussing politics. Oh, how I missed these discussions...:-)"
July 4 - "Began the preparations for a trip to extract the armour cache I had dug down a year ago in July 2010."
July 15 - "I took the train to the capital today to pick up the car I had reserved. Took a taxi from the train station to the car rental company. Came back to the farm late in the evening."
July 18 - "That night, after dark, I loaded in everything in the van. Still need to strap it properly in place though. Tested gear. Exhausted!!! Good workout though. I'm drinking 4 x protein shakes per day now to maximize muscle generation."
July 22 - "Initiate blasting sequences at pre-determined sites ... Have enough material for at least 20 blasts ... This is going to be an all-or-nothing scenario ... First coming costume party this autumn, dress up as a police officer. Arrive with insignias:-) Will be awesome as people will be very astonished:-) ... Side note; imagine if law enforcement would visit me the next days. They would probably get the wrong idea and think I was a terrorist, lol."
Xbone Stormsurgezz
AQ has bombed everything is my point, mostly NON govt. installations.Dilbert_X wrote:
a particular political party - not the government at large - makes no sense for AQ.
You don't think AQ makes assassination attempts? Nope never suggested there was no possibility of another group, but hey lets be honest about the frequency of big city bombings and who is usually behind them.Spark wrote:
What was bombed was the PM's office.lowing wrote:
That is bullshit. AQ has bombed hotels, resorts, embassies, night clubs, train stations, financial centers, military installations, ships on and on, and for you to say you knew it wasn't AQ because of what was bombed is non-sense. Also I am not talking about the shooting spree, I am talking about the bombing.Spark wrote:
I didn't, because of what Jaekus said. This is not an AQ-style operation. Targeting a particular political party - not the government at large - makes no sense for AQ. They hate all of us, why would they harbour special ire for a political party? Again, you are the one who jumped to the conclusion that this had to be AQ. Many of us are wise enough to know that other people do these kind of things as well.
This was an assassination attempt. Kind of twigged that it might not be AQ - just not the sort of thing they do. But of course, terrorism has to be Islamic, right?
THere is such a thing os playing the odds and still loosing. People played the odds, and there is a reasoning for doing so is sound.Jenspm wrote:
And everyone should have, instead of jumping on the Islamic terrorism assumption.lowing wrote:
Well no shit, that is pretty much covering all of your bases huh? A foreign terror attack, (Islamic terrorism) or a local terror attack. Pretty much covers everything except an invasion from Mars. SHiT I think we ALL coulda made that prediction.Jenspm wrote:
Just FYI, the guardian instantly went out and said that this was probably one of two things: a foreign terror cell, or a local right-wing nutjob.
Not everyone assumes it's a muslim, lowing.
So:
Praying for Christian warriors to prevail for the preservation of European Christendom =/= religious motivation
Saying "Alluhu Akhbar" as you go into battle = religious motivation
Praying for Christian warriors to prevail for the preservation of European Christendom =/= religious motivation
Saying "Alluhu Akhbar" as you go into battle = religious motivation
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Fuck Israel
Oh well then you would think he woulda blew up some Muslims then. It is humorous how everyone wants this to be a Christian holy war attack, instead of the politically motivated attack it was.Kmar wrote:
Specifically "fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."?lowing wrote:
Was there a point to that? Soldiers pray all the time for safety and victory, does not make their fight a holy fight.Kmar wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/idINIndia-58430320110725
Christ, here's a lesson on how to be a hypocrite if I ever saw one.
The only humor I see is you ignoring what is staring you in the face. Listen to the man's own words.lowing wrote:
Oh well then you would think he woulda blew up some Muslims then. It is humorous how everyone wants this to be a Christian holy war attack, instead of the politically motivated attack it was.Kmar wrote:
Specifically "fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."?lowing wrote:
Was there a point to that? Soldiers pray all the time for safety and victory, does not make their fight a holy fight.
Not to mention he picked the Knights Templar logo as the cover of his manifesto. ... oh yea, as well as a couple hundred pages of religious rantings posted in said manifesto.Dilbert_X wrote:
So:
Praying for Christian warriors to prevail for the preservation of European Christendom =/= religious motivation
Saying "Alluhu Akhbar" as you go into battle = religious motivation
I mean c'mon
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I think it's beyond hilarious that lowing, someone who has never read the Qu'ran in his life, is quick to try and paint Islam as a violent religion based on actions of a small percentage of Muslims, yet when a Christian does something in the name of Christianity, he is entirely desperate to paint the guy as NOT terrorizing based on religion.
Hypocrisy; sponsored by Fox News.
Hypocrisy; sponsored by Fox News.
nope, Islamic leaders sending you on the mission, Islamic leaders statements regarding jihad as the reason for the attack, Islamic leaders statements saying the attack was in the name of Islam and Muhammad.Dilbert_X wrote:
So:
Praying for Christian warriors to prevail for the preservation of European Christendom =/= religious motivation
Saying "Alluhu Akhbar" as you go into battle = religious motivation
http://i.imgur.com/G6JUW.jpg
This guy as a lone nut job, he is not a part of some world wide conspiracy against Muslims. Please stop trying to put this attack into the same category as Islamic terrorism who has state funded financial backing, world wide support networks and global reach and influence.
The guy you want so desperately to be the Christian OBL is nothing more than a nut job that apparently couldn't afford a ticket to fly somewhere else and kill anyone other than his own people, and children at that. Hardly a religious motivation.
We're talking about motivation, not direction....
Fuck Israel
He also plagiarized the uni-bombers manifesto, I don't recall him being some religious martyr. He is a nut case nothing more.Kmar wrote:
The only humor I see is you ignoring what is staring you in the face. Listen to the man's own words.lowing wrote:
Oh well then you would think he woulda blew up some Muslims then. It is humorous how everyone wants this to be a Christian holy war attack, instead of the politically motivated attack it was.Kmar wrote:
Specifically "fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."?Not to mention he picked the Knights Templar logo as the cover of his manifesto. ... oh yea, as well as a couple hundred pages of religious rantings posted in said manifesto.Dilbert_X wrote:
So:
Praying for Christian warriors to prevail for the preservation of European Christendom =/= religious motivation
Saying "Alluhu Akhbar" as you go into battle = religious motivation
I mean c'mon
http://i.imgur.com/BdmfT.jpg
Please show me here he did this in the name of Christianity.Poseidon wrote:
I think it's beyond hilarious that lowing, someone who has never read the Qu'ran in his life, is quick to try and paint Islam as a violent religion based on actions of a small percentage of Muslims, yet when a Christian does something in the name of Christianity, he is entirely desperate to paint the guy as NOT terrorizing based on religion.
Hypocrisy; sponsored by Fox News.
lowing wrote:
Please show me here he did this in the name of Christianity.
Fruitcake wrote:
"I prayed for the first time in a very long time today. I explained to God that unless he wanted the Marxist-Islamic alliance and the certain Islamic takeover of Europe to completely annihilate European Christendom within the next hundred years he must ensure that the warriors fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail."
Fuck Israel
No-one commented on this, so I'm going to go ahead and quote myself.Jenspm wrote:
The whole Christian angle is a bit off, I feel. He wasn't a 'proper' Christian, and I doubt he did this in the name of Christianity. He merely associated himself with Christianity as it's an easy way to paint the picture of a "proper Norwegian" - white, tall, blonde, Christian. A way of distancing himself from Islam, of creating a "correct religion", really.
The media have been too hasty to put this guy into different boxes - Christian, right-wing party member, freemason, etc - without thinking through what these groups actually mean to him.
He used Christianity to help him form the "ideal Norwegian", to me it was nothing more than that.
I think he used Christianity as an excuse rather than a way of life/belief.