Because he committed the crime before thatmenzo wrote:
i dont think he is convicted before that, so why cant they?Jenspm wrote:
Nope, that sentence will be put in place 1/1/2012, so he can't be punished under it.menzo wrote:
I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-mass-kille … 15957.htmlJaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Oh and by the way, to all those that insist it was a right wing christian conspiracy...he acted alone. Uzi, you catchin' that?Jaekus wrote:
I didn't act alone, Norway attacker tells courtThe man who has claimed responsibility for the deadly terrorist attacks in Norway last week has told a judge he was working with two other cells of right-wing extremists.
Anders Behring Breivik, 32, admitted the facts of the case, but "he has not pleaded guilty", judge Kim Heger said after the closed-door hearing.
"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge added.
Breivik was remanded in custody for eight weeks, the first four of which will be in isolation.
Breivik told the judge he had carried out the bombing in Oslo and the mass shooting on a nearby island to send the Labour government a message.
He told the court he needed to carry out the attack to save Norway and western Europe from, among other things, "cultural Marxism" and a Muslim takeover.
Police revised the death toll from the attacks down on Monday, saying 68 people were now known to have been killed in the shootings at a summer camp on Utoya island, lowering an earlier toll of 86.
Eight died in the car bombing in downtown Oslo, an increase of one - but others are still missing, and police said the toll may again rise.
Up until the hearing, Breivik said he had worked alone, but he told police and the court he had two more groups of collaborators still at large.
"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge said.
Those claims are now being investigated.
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WHat you or I think is irrelevant. What Norwegian law dictates is what matters, as has been so boldly pointed out. THis guy could be found insane, or he could be found to no longer be threat after his sentence( max 21 years). You and I do not know.Dilbert_X wrote:
When the crime was committed is what generally matters.
Whatever, he's never coming out, whatever lowing thinks.
Ahhh so now it was only Uzi that was going nuts over this right wing christian conspiracy claim. How it MUST be the Christians SEE it isn't just Islam....."fuck you lowing"..Jaekus wrote:
I don't want them to be true. I was merely linking a news article.
Last time, again, no-one is claiming a vast christian conspiracy - unlike you and your vast muslim conspiracy - just that this loon was clearly motivated in some way by christianity.lowing wrote:
It would appear so far, that your vast Christian conspiracy that you so desperately want to be true...........isn't
double check the quotes, his lawyer is not the one casting doubts on his claims. THe police are.Jaekus wrote:
I don't want them to be true. I was merely linking a news article.
Also, quoting his lawyer is a pretty biased source.
I confidently predict this guy is never coming out.lowing wrote:
WHat you or I think is irrelevant. What Norwegian law dictates is what matters, as has been so boldly pointed out. THis guy could be found insane, or he could be found to no longer be threat after his sentence( max 21 years). You and I do not know.
I know you don't believe me, not that I care tbh.lowing wrote:
Ahhh so now it was only Uzi that was going nuts over this right wing christian conspiracy claim. How it MUST be the Christians SEE it isn't just Islam....."fuck you lowing"..Jaekus wrote:
I don't want them to be true. I was merely linking a news article.
you better try re reading the beginning of this thread dilbert, specifically Uzi, but others as well.Dilbert_X wrote:
Last time, again, no-one is claiming a vast christian conspiracy - unlike you and your vast muslim conspiracy - just that this loon was clearly motivated in some way by christianity.lowing wrote:
It would appear so far, that your vast Christian conspiracy that you so desperately want to be true...........isn't
Not least because he put it in his manifesto in the clearest possible terms.
Enough with trying to make this something that its not.
Please point out where exactly he says its a 'vast christian conspiracy'.lowing wrote:
you better try re reading the beginning of this thread dilbert, specifically Uzi, but others as well.
Time for you to concede now.lowing wrote:
When this guy states he killed these people in the name of CHristianity or Jesus, I will concede.
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3595399Dilbert_X wrote:
Please point out where exactly he says its a 'vast christian conspiracy'.lowing wrote:
you better try re reading the beginning of this thread dilbert, specifically Uzi, but others as well.
All I see is comments that he's a christian nutjob.
Dilbert, I am not sure you are up on current events........Hw claimed Christianity had nothing to do with this, that he was retaliating against his govt. over immigration laws..Dilbert_X wrote:
I also saw this:Time for you to concede now.lowing wrote:
When this guy states he killed these people in the name of CHristianity or Jesus, I will concede.
I see, and yet, all you do is argue with me, when all I stated was we do not know his motives and when we found out, they were over immigration (political) and not religious, you still argue with me. Got it. SO then, what is it, exactly that I have said, that you wanna argue about?Jaekus wrote:
I know you don't believe me, not that I care tbh.lowing wrote:
Ahhh so now it was only Uzi that was going nuts over this right wing christian conspiracy claim. How it MUST be the Christians SEE it isn't just Islam....."fuck you lowing"..Jaekus wrote:
I don't want them to be true. I was merely linking a news article.
Go back through every post I've made in this thread. I made one post that asked: why can't his motives be both religious AND political?
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blowing up shit and killing children over immigration laws have nothing to do with Christianity..add to that, he said his motives were not religious based. Can't get that from an Islamic terrorist.Spark wrote:
"Defending European Christendom" has nothing to do with Christianity.
I see.
You see arguments where I see discussion, and your acerbic attitude reflects this.lowing wrote:
I see, and yet, all you do is argue with me, when all I stated was we do not know his motives and when we found out, they were over immigration (political) and not religious, you still argue with me. Got it. SO then, what is it, exactly that I have said, that you wanna argue about?Jaekus wrote:
I know you don't believe me, not that I care tbh.lowing wrote:
Ahhh so now it was only Uzi that was going nuts over this right wing christian conspiracy claim. How it MUST be the Christians SEE it isn't just Islam....."fuck you lowing"..
Go back through every post I've made in this thread. I made one post that asked: why can't his motives be both religious AND political?
Blowing oneself up and killing people have nothing to do with Islam either. Just thought I'd throw that out there.lowing wrote:
blowing up shit and killing children over immigration laws have nothing to do with Christianity..add to that, he said his motives were not religious based. Can't get that from an Islamic terrorist.Spark wrote:
"Defending European Christendom" has nothing to do with Christianity.
I see.
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Good post, thanks.Varegg wrote:
He can be sentenced to 21 years max as the law works today, however in addition to that 21 years he can get a sentence that says he can't get out of prison if the crime he comitted is in danger of happening again by him aka he can actually be in prison for the rest of his life ...
To the issue that he is part of a network with additional cells in Norway and abroad I highly doubt it, if he was part of such a network I hardly think he would give that information to the police ... imo he bluffs about that, that doesn't mean the poilice shouldn't check into it.
He did not kill all those people in the name of God, not according to the information given out so far, he believes in God but his actions was political, he wanted to punish the labour party for their contribution to the "marxist multiculturalism" in Norway.
Some factflaws from foreign media: He is not and have never been listed in the archives of PST (Norways Police intellingence agency), he was found in an archive at the customs agency on a list containing 60 names that had gotten a backround check after purchasing products from a internet firm in Poland, his purchase was of 121 nok or circa $22 and they don't know yet what he bought.
The timeline from the shootings on Utoya indicates he was there for 61 minutes before he was apprehended and not 1,5 hours as CNN and BBC still reports.
Ahh so insults and digs are now discussion with you? Got it. If I had the gumption I would make a compilation of your "discussions", but I don't.Jaekus wrote:
You see arguments where I see discussion, and your acerbic attitude reflects this.lowing wrote:
I see, and yet, all you do is argue with me, when all I stated was we do not know his motives and when we found out, they were over immigration (political) and not religious, you still argue with me. Got it. SO then, what is it, exactly that I have said, that you wanna argue about?Jaekus wrote:
I know you don't believe me, not that I care tbh.
Go back through every post I've made in this thread. I made one post that asked: why can't his motives be both religious AND political?
