So there hasn't been any further news then?
Breivik is out to protect Christian heritage and Christian values by inciting a crusade (religiously sanctioned war) against the muslims, being part of the justicar knights templar based off of the medieval christian military organisation, the knights templars. He himself was not a religious leader but a farmer.lowing wrote:
and since he claims a political motive for his attack I take his word for it
and since Ilsamic terrorists claim a religious motive for their attacks, likewise, I take their word for it. Why can't you?
Bin Laden was out to protect Islamic heritage and Islamic values by inciting a jihad (religiously sanctioned war) against the west (christians), forming Al Qaeda, a name taken from a base used by the Mujahideen, translated as "people doing jihad", or Muslims who struggle in the path of God. He himself was not a religious leader, but had a degree in engineering and business administration.
One you say is Islamic terrorism.
The other, you say, is political terrorism.
OKAY
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No actually I take both of their words for their motives. One say it is religious, the other says it is political. You refuse both, and decide for yourself their reasoning instead of listening to the ones that did it. OKAY!Shocking wrote:
Breivik is out to protect Christian heritage and Christian values by inciting a crusade (religiously sanctioned war) against the muslims, being part of the justicar knights templar based off of the medieval christian military organisation, the knights templars. He himself was not a religious leader but a farmer.lowing wrote:
and since he claims a political motive for his attack I take his word for it
and since Ilsamic terrorists claim a religious motive for their attacks, likewise, I take their word for it. Why can't you?
Bin Laden was out to protect Islamic heritage and Islamic values by inciting a jihad (religiously sanctioned war) against the west (christians), forming Al Qaeda, a name taken from a base used by the Mujahideen, translated as "people doing jihad", or Muslims who struggle in the path of God. He himself was not a religious leaders, but had a degree in engineering and business administration.
One you say is Islamic terrorism.
The other, you say, is political terrorism.
OKAY
Bin Laden's 'political objective' was to rid the Middle East of infidels - who also happen to be non-muslims.
Either they're both religious or they're both political, take your pick.
Or continue making yourself look madder than the Unabomber, your choice.
Either they're both religious or they're both political, take your pick.
Or continue making yourself look madder than the Unabomber, your choice.
Fuck Israel
I just listed both their motives... Bin Laden WAS out to 'protect' Islamic values and culture, and to unite all ME countries in these. Breivik IS out to 'protect' christian values and culture, and to unite the European continent in these.lowing wrote:
No actually I take both of their words for their motives. One say it is religious, the other says it is political. You refuse both, and decide for yourself their reasoning instead of listening to the ones that did it. OKAY!Shocking wrote:
Breivik is out to protect Christian heritage and Christian values by inciting a crusade (religiously sanctioned war) against the muslims, being part of the justicar knights templar based off of the medieval christian military organisation, the knights templars. He himself was not a religious leader but a farmer.lowing wrote:
and since he claims a political motive for his attack I take his word for it
and since Ilsamic terrorists claim a religious motive for their attacks, likewise, I take their word for it. Why can't you?
Bin Laden was out to protect Islamic heritage and Islamic values by inciting a jihad (religiously sanctioned war) against the west (christians), forming Al Qaeda, a name taken from a base used by the Mujahideen, translated as "people doing jihad", or Muslims who struggle in the path of God. He himself was not a religious leaders, but had a degree in engineering and business administration.
One you say is Islamic terrorism.
The other, you say, is political terrorism.
OKAY
Breivik is a supporter of a mono-cultural christian Europe. He states this in his manifest. Osama is a supporter of a mono-cultural Islamic Middle East, this probably was the guiding principle for him to do what he did.
You're a hypocrite.
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Osama called Afghanistan under the Taliban the only true "Islamic" country in the ME. Breivik called the PVV in the Netherlands the only true conservative party in Europe. Islamic values in the Middle East are synonymous with culture conservatism. The PVV is out for exactly the same... culture conservatism.
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You take some of the uncertainties of this case as facts lowing, it's way to early for that ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Indeed. Even the police investigating the case have stated they aren't making any assumptions on his motives yet.Varegg wrote:
You take some of the uncertainties of this case as facts lowing, it's way to early for that ...
I am not a hypocrite. I am taking the Islamic terrorists for their word when they claim Islamic jihad.Shocking wrote:
I just listed both their motives... Bin Laden WAS out to 'protect' Islamic values and culture, and to unite all ME countries in these. Breivik IS out to 'protect' christian values and culture, and to unite the European continent in these.lowing wrote:
No actually I take both of their words for their motives. One say it is religious, the other says it is political. You refuse both, and decide for yourself their reasoning instead of listening to the ones that did it. OKAY!Shocking wrote:
Breivik is out to protect Christian heritage and Christian values by inciting a crusade (religiously sanctioned war) against the muslims, being part of the justicar knights templar based off of the medieval christian military organisation, the knights templars. He himself was not a religious leader but a farmer.
Bin Laden was out to protect Islamic heritage and Islamic values by inciting a jihad (religiously sanctioned war) against the west (christians), forming Al Qaeda, a name taken from a base used by the Mujahideen, translated as "people doing jihad", or Muslims who struggle in the path of God. He himself was not a religious leaders, but had a degree in engineering and business administration.
One you say is Islamic terrorism.
The other, you say, is political terrorism.
OKAY
Breivik is a supporter of a mono-cultural christian Europe. He states this in his manifest. Osama is a supporter of a mono-cultural Islamic Middle East, this probably was the guiding principle for him to do what he did.
You're a hypocrite.
and I take the Norway terrorist for his word when he says it had nothing to do with Christianity.
I don't give a fuck what he is a supporter of. He could be a supporter of the girl scouts, that does not mean this attack was girl scout motivated.
THe guy said his attack was about immigration policy. It does not matter if it Muslims, blacks, short people, or purple people, it is still an immigration issue for him. NOT a religious issue. His concerns were that of Norway loosing its identity, be it to Islam or purple people.
Yeah? Where were you with this bullshit when Uzi and others blamed the right wing Christians for this?Jaekus wrote:
Indeed. Even the police investigating the case have stated they aren't making any assumptions on his motives yet.Varegg wrote:
You take some of the uncertainties of this case as facts lowing, it's way to early for that ...
and if it is too early to tell, and you don't want to take what he said as truth ( IE it was not a christian motivated attack) then why are you making claims that it is religiously motivated?
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Alright so I guess his manifest has nothing to do with why he did all this? You're basing your argument on what a lawyer said, completely ignoring a 1500 pages document written by mr. Breivik himself.lowing wrote:
I am not a hypocrite. I am taking the Islamic terrorists for their word when they claim Islamic jihad.Shocking wrote:
I just listed both their motives... Bin Laden WAS out to 'protect' Islamic values and culture, and to unite all ME countries in these. Breivik IS out to 'protect' christian values and culture, and to unite the European continent in these.lowing wrote:
No actually I take both of their words for their motives. One say it is religious, the other says it is political. You refuse both, and decide for yourself their reasoning instead of listening to the ones that did it. OKAY!
Breivik is a supporter of a mono-cultural christian Europe. He states this in his manifest. Osama is a supporter of a mono-cultural Islamic Middle East, this probably was the guiding principle for him to do what he did.
You're a hypocrite.
and I take the Norway terrorist for his word when he says it had nothing to do with Christianity.
I don't give a fuck what he is a supporter of. He could be a supporter of the girl scouts, that does not mean this attack was girl scout motivated.
THe guy said his attack was about immigration policy. It does not matter if it Muslims, blacks, short people, or purple people, it is still an immigration issue for him. NOT a religious issue. His concerns were that of Norway loosing its identity, be it to Islam or purple people.
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yeah yeah yeah, he wants a crusade. Great..this attack as a lone murderer, was not his crusade. He attacked his own people of an opposite political ideology as himself, NOT Muslims, he attacked his own govt. of opposite political ideology as himself, NOT muslims, he blew up a govt. building not an mosque, and as he said, about THIS ATTACK, ( not his manifesto) he did this over immigration and was not religiously motivated.Shocking wrote:
Alright so I guess his manifest has nothing to do with why he did all this? You're basing your argument on what a lawyer said, completely ignoring a 1500 pages document written by mr. Breivik himself.lowing wrote:
I am not a hypocrite. I am taking the Islamic terrorists for their word when they claim Islamic jihad.Shocking wrote:
I just listed both their motives... Bin Laden WAS out to 'protect' Islamic values and culture, and to unite all ME countries in these. Breivik IS out to 'protect' christian values and culture, and to unite the European continent in these.
Breivik is a supporter of a mono-cultural christian Europe. He states this in his manifest. Osama is a supporter of a mono-cultural Islamic Middle East, this probably was the guiding principle for him to do what he did.
You're a hypocrite.
and I take the Norway terrorist for his word when he says it had nothing to do with Christianity.
I don't give a fuck what he is a supporter of. He could be a supporter of the girl scouts, that does not mean this attack was girl scout motivated.
THe guy said his attack was about immigration policy. It does not matter if it Muslims, blacks, short people, or purple people, it is still an immigration issue for him. NOT a religious issue. His concerns were that of Norway loosing its identity, be it to Islam or purple people.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, but damn!!!!
http://www.slate.com/id/2300098/?gt1=38001
Norway's newest jail may hold rapists and murderers, but Halden Prison, the country's second largest and most secure facility, looks more like a posh sleepaway camp. In fact, architects say they purposely tried to avoid an "institutional feel." When it opened in 2010, some news accounts called it the "most humane" prison in the world.
Indeed, one of the many perks at Halden is flat-screen televisions in inmates' rooms. There's no HBO, though, so reruns of Oz and The Wire are contraband. Still, prisoners get private cells with mini-fridges and large windows to let in more sunlight. Here, then, is a quick tour of what luxuries may await Breivik behind bars. (That's a figure of speech, of course: There are no iron bars at Halden.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2300098/?gt1=38001
Norway's newest jail may hold rapists and murderers, but Halden Prison, the country's second largest and most secure facility, looks more like a posh sleepaway camp. In fact, architects say they purposely tried to avoid an "institutional feel." When it opened in 2010, some news accounts called it the "most humane" prison in the world.
Indeed, one of the many perks at Halden is flat-screen televisions in inmates' rooms. There's no HBO, though, so reruns of Oz and The Wire are contraband. Still, prisoners get private cells with mini-fridges and large windows to let in more sunlight. Here, then, is a quick tour of what luxuries may await Breivik behind bars. (That's a figure of speech, of course: There are no iron bars at Halden.)
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Sorry if this has been posted already, but damn!!!!
http://www.slate.com/id/2300098/?gt1=38001
Norway's newest jail may hold rapists and murderers, but Halden Prison, the country's second largest and most secure facility, looks more like a posh sleepaway camp. In fact, architects say they purposely tried to avoid an "institutional feel." When it opened in 2010, some news accounts called it the "most humane" prison in the world.
Indeed, one of the many perks at Halden is flat-screen televisions in inmates' rooms. There's no HBO, though, so reruns of Oz and The Wire are contraband. Still, prisoners get private cells with mini-fridges and large windows to let in more sunlight. Here, then, is a quick tour of what luxuries may await Breivik behind bars. (That's a figure of speech, of course: There are no iron bars at Halden.)
Yeah, it's one of the reasons our crime rate is so high.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
Consider the state of our welfare system, implementing Norways prison system here would actually encourage more crime.Jenspm wrote:
Yeah, it's one of the reasons our crime rate is so high.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
Nah, I'm sure, but it works pretty well for us. Lowers the rate of recidivism.
yeah well, when the world figures out they can come to Norway and commit crimes for no punishment that might change.Jenspm wrote:
Yeah, it's one of the reasons our crime rate is so high.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
Is Halden only for Norwegians?
Lol, okay. Maybe we'll borrow Gitmo to teach those pesky immigrants who's boss.lowing wrote:
yeah well, when the world figures out they can come to Norway and commit crimes for no punishment that might change.Jenspm wrote:
Yeah, it's one of the reasons our crime rate is so high.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
@Ilocano: no idea, but I doubt it.
neh I am sure your horse farms, swimming pools and fishing is just what a mass murderer needs. to show "him who's boss".Jenspm wrote:
Lol, okay. Maybe we'll borrow Gitmo to teach those pesky immigrants who's boss.lowing wrote:
yeah well, when the world figures out they can come to Norway and commit crimes for no punishment that might change.Jenspm wrote:
Yeah, it's one of the reasons our crime rate is so high.
Oh wait.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me.
@Ilocano: no idea, but I doubt it.
Looks at the pics from my link. Female personal trainers for inmates.
Our prisons don't breed crime like yours do. I'd prefer it to stay that way.
I am sure SHE will show him WHO the fuck "the boss" in Norway's prisons. lolIlocano wrote:
Looks at the pics from my link. Female personal trainers for inmates.
yup, they don't even punish it. lolJenspm wrote:
Our prisons don't breed crime like yours do. I'd prefer it to stay that way.