rdx-fx
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+955|6854
For a semi-auto precision rifle (they do exist), I'd build an AR-10 clone with a 6.5x47 Lapua barrel.
The 6.5x47 Lapua case is the same diameter and overall loaded length as the 7.62x51 (.308) that the AR-10 is designed for, so the build would be easy. 
Just change the barrel to a Krieger AR-10 1:10 6.5x47 Lapua barrel.

Mega Machining matched lower & monolithic upper,
Geissele Automatics semi-auto match trigger,
Lewis Machine & Tool bolt & bolt carrier, and parts,
Krieger barrel (stainless 1:10 twist, heavy AMU AR profile),
Magpul stock,
Tango Down grip,
Surefire suppressor.

Out to 1200 yards, the above semi auto rifle will send bullets with nearly the same accuracy and flight path as a bolt action rifle.
Less energy on impact from the little 6.5mm diameter 140gr bullet - but it flies about the same as the larger diameter 7.62mm 230gr, or the much larger .338 diameter 300 grain.
If the targets are deer-sized or smaller, they'll pretty much all be equally dead.
rdx-fx
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+955|6854

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

How do you like the NightForce scopes? I'm looking at those for my SPR.
Nightforce builds an absolutely bullet-proof scope.
Very solid.

A little heavy, but you can (quite literally) use it as a baseball bat without destroying it.
Nightforce representative did pretty much just that, and it still passed a "box test" adjustment repeatability test.
I'm not going to do the same to my scopes, but... it's an impressive demonstration trick.

A story they like to tell about their scopes is of getting warranty returns from soldiers in Iraq, with a bullet hole through the side of the scope.
Soldier taped the hole up (to keep light and dirt out), and kept shooting, in the example in their product literature.
It missed the lenses, and even an AK-47 round through the side of the tube didn't screw up the zero point too badly.

On the downside, they aren't as refined as a Hensoldt or Schmidt und Bender.
Nightforce uses the best in Japanese lenses.
Hensoldt (aka Zeiss premium/military brand), and Schmidt und Bender use Schott Glasswerks (Germany) lenses and coatings (AFAIK).
Schott Glasswerks glass is just flat out the best glass made - clear, clean, great light transmission at night, no color blur between different frequencies of light, less eye strain when looking through a scope for a long period of time, etc etc.

I would put Nightforce as on par with the best scopes around, except for Hensoldt, S&B's top tier, or Leica's top tier.

Look through a pair of Leica HF coated 10x binoculars, or the HF (hexaflouride?) coated Hensoldt optics 
You can make out people's eye-color at 1500 yards!
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6652
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7034|PNW

rdx-fx wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

Whats up with the square holes in the plate?

eleven bravo wrote:

air holes to make it go faster
No, that's the red. The holes are just flash.

waaagh
rdx-fx
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+955|6854
For when you need a man-portable WW-II tank cannon.

Would be an interesting design problem;
Design a man-portable "rifle", with manageable recoil, under 75 lbs, that will defeat up to a T-72 tank's side or rear armor.
With proper balancing of powder/bullet weight/muzzle-brake-design, one could probably get the recoil to a sane level. 
(That 950 JDJ apparently does not - broken ribs and shooters blacking out is too much recoil)

Much more practical to just use a shaped charge warhead on a rocket.
Personally, if you need that much firepower - you need to call in artillery or air strikes.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6831|Mountains of NC

firearms are/is art
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/17445/carhartt.jpg
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6831|Mountains of NC

guess a dog dying in the corner is a better representation of art then 


its not just art of designing the gun but the engraving that goes into the weapon

https://www.barryleehands.com/photos/Rampant%201%20engraved%20by%20Barry%20Lee%20Hands%20copyright%202008.jpg

https://reigelgunengraving.com/sitebuilder/images/Engraved_Winchester_Model_1890_left_.22_short_reigelgunengraving.com-442x342.jpg

https://www.gamradtgallery.com/Images/Firearms/Colt/15.jpg
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/17445/carhartt.jpg
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6368|eXtreme to the maX
Can't make up my mind between a Morini or a Feinwerkbau

https://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/HI%20RES/FWB%20AW.jpg

https://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/HI%20RES/MORINI%20CM22M.jpg

Neither is perfect, but they seem to be the best available as far as I can narrow it down.

(Yes I know, the target doesn't care if you don't think they're pretty)
Fuck Israel
rdx-fx
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+955|6854

Dilbert_X wrote:

Can't make up my mind between a Morini or a Feinwerkbau





Neither is perfect, but they seem to be the best available as far as I can narrow it down.

(Yes I know, the target doesn't care if you don't think they're pretty)
What are the relative advantages of each?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6368|eXtreme to the maX
FWB is a Russian design made in Germany = win/win, or it would be if ze Germans were using quality steel and not doing silly things like Nickel plating it. Includes recoil damping via angled path of the slide and a sprung sliding mass which connects with the slide near the end of its travel, low bore line, reliable functioning, latch/double sear trigger so sear smoothness is not a factor in the trigger pull
Cons: Slides have a reputation for disintegrating - more stress raisers than a kindergarten car park five minutes before spongebob is on tv - nickel plating does not help, its somewhat heavy - I prefer lighter guns - and mag is in the grip with a full frame so there is a real limit to what can be done with the grip.

Morini is an Italian design made in Switzerland = derp/wat. Hammer strike and recoil spring are adjustable which can be both good and bad, low bore line, mag in front of the trigger guard which makes for a longer gun/shorter barrel and less space for trigger access con), anything can be done with the grip. I like the sights and the rear is width adjustable which avoids a lot of messy filing.
Cons: They keep tweaking the design, historically some have reliability issues, Morini designs take a while to settle down if ever, but at least the Swiss (Swiss Italians...) have had it for a while,  still hard to know if they're fixed now or if they've just designed in a whole new set of issues.

By reliability I don't expect a misfeed, failure to eject or misfire in 1,000+ rnds, preferably 5,000+ - not so simple in a .22lr esp given the quality of current ammo. Even RWS is turning to shit.
My Izh35 was reliable until it wore out, as was my previous FAS.
Both are reputed to need their chambers reamed, a common problem with modern production, even my HP needed a chamber polish to extract reliably....

I suppose I could go mad and buy an MG2  - also designed by Mr Morini but essentially an Izh35 with a tubular mag and lever action rifle feed mechanism converted to semi-auto - but no.
https://karlslundesport.dk/files/mg2%20rf_ue%20.jpg
Looks cool though.

I'm leaning towards a Morini, and I'll keep working on my 2nd hand FAS in parallel so hopefully one will come good.
I've been distracted and my shooting isn't terrific at present, so its more for fun than serious competition, but with luck I'll get back to it in earnest and I need a fully functioning firearm.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-12-21 02:14:17)

Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6368|eXtreme to the maX
He could own a shotgun or a target/sniper rifle, if he had the discipline to go through the process.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-12-21 04:08:53)

Fuck Israel
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7034|PNW

some art stuff moved out of this thread to:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3723049
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6368|eXtreme to the maX
Holy moly, the 210 is back in production
https://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P210-TGT-Detail-bty-L.jpg
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD … arget.aspx
Fuck Israel
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6241|Blue Mountain State
So some of the parts to my new SPR got home today. Even came with two bumper stickers, tactical drink coaster, and lube. All for free. This is the first AR I've built from the ground up. My other one I got as a complete .22LR with a 5.56 upper. I'll probably wait till I get home to get the NightForce scope. I might also put in a better trigger at some point too.

When Complete:

Complete LaRue Stealth Sniper System upper receiver "16 barrel with "13.2 rail
Stripped LaRue lower receiver
Rock River Arms pin and spring kit
DPMS trigger group
LaRue Mil-Spec buffer tube with spring and plunger
BAD-ASS ambi safety selector
Magpul CTR stock with cheek riser(Flat Dark Earth)
Magpul MOE + Grip(Flat Dark Earth)
Magpul ladder rail covers(Flat Dark Earth)
Troy Rear BattleSight
Troy Front BattleSight(HK Style)
Harris BR-S bipod 6-9" legs with LaRue QD mount
NightForce 3.5-15x50 MLR with Mil-Rad reticule and QD mount

https://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/DeltaBF2s/larue1.jpg
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6733

Dilbert_X wrote:

He could own a shotgun or a target/sniper rifle, if he had the discipline to go through the process.
my family have a bunch of shotguns and hunting rifles-- my uncles mainly. they're fun to use but i've never handled one and thought "now i am holding a great piece of art with huge symbolic power". instead i thought "cool lets fuck up some pheasants".
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6652
1stSFOD-Delta,

they didnt send you the ornament

you prefer the magpul moe over the hogue?

Builds gonna be nice, but I have to ask. Why the dpms trigger group when you're spending so much on everything else?
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the dpms triggers, but with a build like that I'd expect a high quality trigger.

Also if you're going to do some target shooting you should consider the LaRue Tactical POD (LT733) and B&T Accu-Shot monopod.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2011-12-21 10:24:11)

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jord
Member
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The A W S M F O X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

patronage is much different from commission work, hahaha.

you're so ridiculous.
They're different names for the exact same thing.

Post your guns or shut up now.
The dealiest weapon he can own is a napkin.
there was a .50 for sale in kent a while back...
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6760

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

tactical drink coaster
well, that right there sealed the deal
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6652
one of these?

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/mcgrubbs/wrench.jpg

doubles as a barrel wrench
https://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p123/west-phoenix-az/BF2S/bf2s_sig_9mmbrass.jpg
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6241|Blue Mountain State

west-phoenix-az wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta,

they didnt send you the ornament

you prefer the magpul moe over the hogue?

Builds gonna be nice, but I have to ask. Why the dpms trigger group when you're spending so much on everything else?
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the dpms triggers, but with a build like that I'd expect a high quality trigger.

Also if you're going to do some target shooting you should consider the LaRue Tactical POD (LT733) and B&T Accu-Shot monopod.
I just ordered the trigger just to have one. I'm not familiar with AR match triggers, tbh. I'd like to do some more research and maybe even try a few out before I get one. They have a few on the LaRue site. We'll see.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6241|Blue Mountain State
I do like the feel of the Magpul pistol grips. I have a MIAD on my issued M4 right now. My rubber Ergo grip fell apart. The MOE + has the best of both.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5848

My cousin out in Pennsylvania bought a WASR. He added a foregrip and bought one of those double drum clips.

It looks like something out of a videogame.
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6652
I've had the stock, ergo, moe, command arms and probably a couple others. I like the Hogue the best. They have one with storage too. If you haven't held one, check it out. They're the only grips on my ARs and AKs right now.

If your bipod/mount didn't come with the larue knob, check out the Alpha-Bravo Bipod Lock. It's a nice upgrade.
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1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6241|Blue Mountain State
Definitely going to get a sound suppressor for it.
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6652
Keep this in mind if you get blowback

https://03designgroup.com/photo/do-it-yourself-gas-buster-chargining-handle/DPP_0001copy%5b2%5d.jpg
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