so i guess if someone breaks into your house because you left the doors unlocked it's okay
most analogies suck, but that one is pretty good
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
didnt ubisoft try this and failHaiBai wrote:
actually, the program i'm making now that i plan to create a business for next year will probably require an active internet connection to my servers to run. it's the only way that you can guarantee that your software can't be crackeds
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with it
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.RTHKI wrote:
didnt ubisoft try this and failHaiBai wrote:
actually, the program i'm making now that i plan to create a business for next year will probably require an active internet connection to my servers to run. it's the only way that you can guarantee that your software can't be crackeds
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
that's not the way it works according to the law as well as the morals of the world.
same reason you're not allowed to keep a car you bought if it was stolen, even if you didn't know it was stolen.
same reason you're not allowed to keep a car you bought if it was stolen, even if you didn't know it was stolen.
No, you agree to the EULA. You own nothing. You're a renter.HaiBai wrote:
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with it
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That concept already existsHaiBai wrote:
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.RTHKI wrote:
didnt ubisoft try this and failHaiBai wrote:
actually, the program i'm making now that i plan to create a business for next year will probably require an active internet connection to my servers to run. it's the only way that you can guarantee that your software can't be crackeds
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
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i guess im sort of playing devil's advocate. piracy does suck. do i still crack programs for my own benefit? of course. but do i ever redistribute them to other people? nope.
Fairly certain that Activision Blizzard would own those copyrights/patents.Mutantbear wrote:
That concept already existsHaiBai wrote:
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.RTHKI wrote:
didnt ubisoft try this and fail
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i own my computer and everything on it. as long as im not redistributing/reselling the work of other people, i'm fineJay wrote:
No, you agree to the EULA. You own nothing. You're a renter.HaiBai wrote:
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with it
no shit?Mutantbear wrote:
That concept already existsHaiBai wrote:
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.RTHKI wrote:
didnt ubisoft try this and fail
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
oh please. that's like saying microsoft patented operating systemsJay wrote:
Fairly certain that Activision Blizzard would own those copyrights/patents.Mutantbear wrote:
That concept already existsHaiBai wrote:
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
Lol at the 17 year old with the law degree. Good luck in court, kid.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Software piracy is such a misnomer.
My take on it is that even though it doesn't put people who download software, music and movies in the right, most of these stolen sales would have never happened if downloading illegitimate copies was impossible. Does Ubisoft (for example) seriously think that all those 15-year-olds have an unlimited stash of money to send to them? Do they think that punishing the people who pay for their stuff for the actions of penniless kids actually helps? Well, some of these companies don't exactly have my sympathy, and it lessens with each redundant CD key I have to enter or useless account I'm forced to create.
My take on it is that the companies who adapt will be successful. F2P MMO's with paid DLC, digital distribution catalogs that reward their players...companies that embrace file sharing and use it to promote merchandise and companies that realize, even if not publicly, that kiddies that download their content creation tools (Photoshop, anyone?) will be more likely to buy what they already know how to use if they get into a relevant field.
Companies that smack their head into the brick wall of "software piracy" are only swimming against the tide.
My take on it is that even though it doesn't put people who download software, music and movies in the right, most of these stolen sales would have never happened if downloading illegitimate copies was impossible. Does Ubisoft (for example) seriously think that all those 15-year-olds have an unlimited stash of money to send to them? Do they think that punishing the people who pay for their stuff for the actions of penniless kids actually helps? Well, some of these companies don't exactly have my sympathy, and it lessens with each redundant CD key I have to enter or useless account I'm forced to create.
My take on it is that the companies who adapt will be successful. F2P MMO's with paid DLC, digital distribution catalogs that reward their players...companies that embrace file sharing and use it to promote merchandise and companies that realize, even if not publicly, that kiddies that download their content creation tools (Photoshop, anyone?) will be more likely to buy what they already know how to use if they get into a relevant field.
Companies that smack their head into the brick wall of "software piracy" are only swimming against the tide.
Im saying that that concept already exists but can still be cracked and used offlineHaiBai wrote:
i own my computer and everything on it. as long as im not redistributing/reselling the work of other people, i'm fineJay wrote:
No, you agree to the EULA. You own nothing. You're a renter.HaiBai wrote:
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with itno shit?Mutantbear wrote:
That concept already existsHaiBai wrote:
don't they make a bunch of singleplayer games? i could see why that would annoy people.
my program would be useless without an internet connection so it makes sense to run the calculations/whatever on my server and then send it back to the client.
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i know a ton of programmers who use the same model who don't work for activision/blizzard. if you don't know what you're talking about, fuck off.Jay wrote:
Lol at the 17 year old with the law degree. Good luck in court, kid.
no it can't. how can they "crack" it if the client HAS to connect to my server and download the calculations? my main program won't be given to the client. please stop talkingMutantbear wrote:
Im saying that that concept already exists but can still be cracked and used offlineHaiBai wrote:
i own my computer and everything on it. as long as im not redistributing/reselling the work of other people, i'm fineJay wrote:
No, you agree to the EULA. You own nothing. You're a renter.HaiBai wrote:
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with itno shit?Mutantbear wrote:
That concept already exists
Yes, people like to be limited. You do understand that not everyone connects to the internet 24/7, yes? To call your concept inconvenient is putting it mildly.
I dub thee Mitch III.
I dub thee Mitch III.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Its theft, plain and simple, or whatever you want to call taking a service without paying.
Does it hurt anyone if I park my car in a half-empty pay carpark without paying? Watch a film in a cinema without buying a ticket? Creep in the back door of a gig?
Should I be paying for the above?
Does it hurt anyone if I park my car in a half-empty pay carpark without paying? Watch a film in a cinema without buying a ticket? Creep in the back door of a gig?
Should I be paying for the above?
Fuck Israel
LOL, those get cracked all the time.HaiBai wrote:
if i did make a program, i'd put in some sick protection
actually, the program i'm making now that i plan to create a business for next year will probably require an active internet connection to my servers to run. it's the only way that you can guarantee that your software can't be cracked
if other developers don't want to do that, it's their loss
Fuck Israel
What kind of product are you even talking about. How would they use your product if they dont even download it.HaiBai wrote:
no it can't. how can they "crack" it if the client HAS to connect to my server and download the calculations? my main program won't be given to the client. please stop talkingMutantbear wrote:
Im saying that that concept already exists but can still be cracked and used offlineHaiBai wrote:
i own my computer and everything on it. as long as im not redistributing/reselling the work of other people, i'm fineJay wrote:
No, you agree to the EULA. You own nothing. You're a renter.HaiBai wrote:
well no, because something i download onto my computer is mine. the entire program is mine, and i can do anything i want with it
no shit?
Some flash game or something $$$ big bucks
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the service the tool provides for requires an internet connection anyway so it doesnt matterJay wrote:
Yes, people like to be limited. You do understand that not everyone connects to the internet 24/7, yes? To call your concept inconvenient is putting it mildly.
I dub thee Mitch III.
LOL, dilbert you're an idiot who doesnt know what he's talking about so stfu pleaseDilbert_X wrote:
LOL, those get cracked all the time.HaiBai wrote:
if i did make a program, i'd put in some sick protection
actually, the program i'm making now that i plan to create a business for next year will probably require an active internet connection to my servers to run. it's the only way that you can guarantee that your software can't be cracked
if other developers don't want to do that, it's their loss
doesn't wolfram alpha basically do that already?
they do download the program. the program connects to my server and asks for some calculations or some shit. my server sends information to client. client displays in a pretty format to the userMutantbear wrote:
What kind of product are you even talking about. How would they use your product if they dont even download it.HaiBai wrote:
no it can't. how can they "crack" it if the client HAS to connect to my server and download the calculations? my main program won't be given to the client. please stop talkingMutantbear wrote:
Im saying that that concept already exists but can still be cracked and used offline
Some flash game or something $$$ big bucks
and boom, an uncrackable piece of software