i dont mean addition, subtraction, and converting units...Hurricane2k9 wrote:
doesn't wolfram alpha basically do that already?
yeah i guess you raise a good point.. it depends on how popular my product is and how intense the calculations are.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
So you're not selling uncrackable software, you're selling access to your system.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
the thing you're missing is that photoshop is an industry-level solution for graphics design. it is also the best in that industry. thus they charge a big price for a license; if it wasn't much for an individual user license, then they wouldn't be able to make any real money selling to the main intended audience: business. a business isn't going to pay thousands of dollars for a corporate license (which they will then use the software to profit from) if an invidual user can have it for $40 bucks. i can't believe this sort of thing needs explaining, tbh. i know piracy is a broad and complicated subject but a lot of the responses here just show a pig ignorance and serious level of moronism.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Charge $1050AUD for Photoshop.
Wonder why people pirate it.
great so what you're saying is that you want to grow up to be much more "successful" than me in every way as a computer programmer... but you're happy stealing and reverse coding everyone else's work so you don't have to pay a dime. how exactly are you going to make your own salary? if every computer-wise guy (and you're not the only one in the world, kid) used his tech knowledge to crack software because - after all - it's "his" computer data and it's "his" business what he does with it... how are you going to get paid again? you sounded awfully proud after spending a few weeks last summer working on a computer project... how would you feel if 90% of the users came along, downloaded it, and your boss/company/you didn't see a dollar? great attitude for somebody that wants to work in the computer industry: steal everything possible, but expect to lead a better lifestyle than anyone else in any other line of work . you're such a dumb, naive little cunt sometimes. i hope something terrible happens to you.HaiBai wrote:
if you werent retarded you would realize that i own my computer and i own everything on it. i can change if i want to and that's completely legal and moralUzique wrote:
thanks but we all already know this and didn't want an it lecture from the resident career programmer. cute, though. now how about you discuss the ethics - as posed in the op - instead of boring us all with your flashly display of jargon?HaiBai wrote:
piracy isn't stealing. when i download a trial of a program, i download the instructions that tell my computer how to run. these instructions are called assembly and my computer reads it to figure out what to do. now, say i'm tired of the trial version and i want the full thing. i can debug the program, modify the instructions (assembly), and the program will now be a full version.
the same thing happens when you hack games, get infected by a virus, and etc.
it's not stealing if you look at it from a technical standpoint.
edit: sorry for using 'jargon' i didn't know the word 'instruction' was too advanced for you. i'll dumb it down for you next time.
i'm sorry but you know nothing about the aesthetics of reproduction if you think photographing the mona lisa is a 'reproduction'. go read some walter benjamin and stop trying to come across as knowledgeable.Superior Mind wrote:
When you publish or do a work of art in public for profit or not it enters public knowledge and is subject to reproduction. It's like singing a song you heard on the radio. Or photographing the mono lisa.
right so your "take on it" is that because of consumer greed/immoral behaviour, the entire industry should 'adapt' and make their games MUCH MUCH shittier. great argument. yeah, you know what i want in my MMO's? constant one-a-month paid DLC's! that completely ruins any model of quality-protection because the company has to keep on spitting out shit to ensure any cash-flow. when a company knows they're going to make money (i.e. not be pirated) from a game on launch, there's much more incentive to actually make it a good game; there's no financial worry, as such, putting pressure on the design process. what you're basically saying is "game's should respond to the fact that nobody wants to pay for them anymore" (because we're shit) "by introducing lots of micro-transactions and real-cash economies". no fucking thanks. those games will all be awful. and you're stupid for suggesting it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Software piracy is such a misnomer.
My take on it is that even though it doesn't put people who download software, music and movies in the right, most of these stolen sales would have never happened if downloading illegitimate copies was impossible. Does Ubisoft (for example) seriously think that all those 15-year-olds have an unlimited stash of money to send to them? Do they think that punishing the people who pay for their stuff for the actions of penniless kids actually helps? Well, some of these companies don't exactly have my sympathy, and it lessens with each redundant CD key I have to enter or useless account I'm forced to create.
My take on it is that the companies who adapt will be successful. F2P MMO's with paid DLC, digital distribution catalogs that reward their players...companies that embrace file sharing and use it to promote merchandise and companies that realize, even if not publicly, that kiddies that download their content creation tools (Photoshop, anyone?) will be more likely to buy what they already know how to use if they get into a relevant field.
Companies that smack their head into the brick wall of "software piracy" are only swimming against the tide.
lol... brute force an algorithm... you can't brute force an algorithm /facepalmDilbert_X wrote:
So you're not selling uncrackable software, you're selling access to your system.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
No doubt someone moderately smart could use a brute force approach to figure out your algorithms and just write their own software.
yeah, most programmers don't know anything about reverse engineering. im not really worried.Uzique wrote:
great so what you're saying is that you want to grow up to be much more "successful" than me in every way as a computer programmer... but you're happy stealing and reverse coding everyone else's work so you don't have to pay a dime. how exactly are you going to make your own salary? if every computer-wise guy (and you're not the only one in the world, kid) used his tech knowledge to crack software because - after all - it's "his" computer data and it's "his" business what he does with it... how are you going to get paid again? you sounded awfully proud after spending a few weeks last summer working on a computer project... how would you feel if 90% of the users came along, downloaded it, and your boss/company/you didn't see a dollar? great attitude for somebody that wants to work in the computer industry: steal everything possible, but expect to lead a better lifestyle than anyone else in any other line of work . you're such a dumb, naive little cunt sometimes. i hope something terrible happens to you.HaiBai wrote:
if you werent retarded you would realize that i own my computer and i own everything on it. i can change if i want to and that's completely legal and moralUzique wrote:
thanks but we all already know this and didn't want an it lecture from the resident career programmer. cute, though. now how about you discuss the ethics - as posed in the op - instead of boring us all with your flashly display of jargon?
edit: sorry for using 'jargon' i didn't know the word 'instruction' was too advanced for you. i'll dumb it down for you next time.
its not. its a small side project for a high school student who wants to attempt to run a businessRTHKI wrote:
either way i doubt its that great
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is the second one physical sales? because i find it hard to believe that digital + physical sales are decreasing.Jay wrote:
Yeah, that whole 'downloaders are more likely to buy music' line that the pirates use is total bullshit. Total music sales have decreased by half since napster. Is it any wonder that todays music is total shit and has been for the past decade?Winston_Churchill wrote:
is the second one physical sales? because i find it hard to believe that digital + physical sales are decreasing.Jay wrote:
also: http://torrentfreak.com/artists-make-mo … re-100914/
record sales are a pretty small fraction of what artists make.
if it's profitable for you... it's worth cracking by someone more skilled than you. anything engineered by humans can be reverse engineered. this is pretty logical. no system is perfect, not even the military's. i think you're being a naive kid.HaiBai wrote:
yeah i guess you raise a good point.. it depends on how popular my product is and how intense the calculations are.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
if it is indeed not worth the effort to do that, ill just pack my software with my own method, followed by themida. ill also implement a bunch of tricks ive learned simply from experience. ill put checks and other studd everywhere just to annoy the fuck out of the cracker. after that i guess you just pray nobody with a high enough skill level comes anywhere near your software
when did i say that?Jay wrote:
Yeah, that whole 'downloaders are more likely to buy music' line that the pirates use is total bullshit. Total music sales have decreased by half since napster. Is it any wonder that todays music is total shit and has been for the past decade?Winston_Churchill wrote:
is the second one physical sales? because i find it hard to believe that digital + physical sales are decreasing.Jay wrote:
also: http://torrentfreak.com/artists-make-mo … re-100914/
record sales are a pretty small fraction of what artists make.
