no, it's not.Jay wrote:
That's just romanticism
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you're not immoral, you're just lazy. and if you really liked someone's music, why would you suffer it at shitty youtube quality? how do you take it with you into the car, or on a run? you have a laptop on your passenger seat or something?(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
What Im curious about is your opinion about the morality of it. What Im getting is that Uzique says you should support the artists you like. Am I immoral if I dont pay directly(or in this case even indirectly) for the records, but I watch/listen to them in legally green lit ways provided to me?
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Umm, well... I dont have car... Or an mp3/4 etc player...Uzique wrote:
you're not immoral, you're just lazy. and if you really liked someone's music, why would you suffer it at shitty youtube quality? how do you take it with you into the car, or on a run? you have a laptop on your passenger seat or something?(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
What Im curious about is your opinion about the morality of it. What Im getting is that Uzique says you should support the artists you like. Am I immoral if I dont pay directly(or in this case even indirectly) for the records, but I watch/listen to them in legally green lit ways provided to me?
Like I've said: I dont have a special taste, and honestly I dont mind if its a bad quality, since I dont even have proper speakers. All I have is a 4 dollar worth headphone, so yeah...
well if you can only afford $4 headphones then clearly buying music isn't in your purchasing power... and quality is no concern.
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it's funny really, pre internet mass useage (lets say late 90s?) you would be considered a music aficionado to have maybe 500 albums? now any 17yr old with enough gb/tb and a private tracker amount has that.
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exactly. yet pirates say that the industry is charging too much... is this strictly true? or does the listener believe he is entitled to far more music than he really is? everything has a value.
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in my limited experience of buying music i don't think the price has changed relative to everything else especially. it's probably just more people googled thepiratebay.org.
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Like I've said in other threads, life isnt that easy here right now... If I could keep more than 20% of my monthly salary(which isnt that much to begin with) after paying taxes/rent/utilities (but havent yet bought food, household items/basic human need items etc) then I would certainly buy albums
so don't buy them?
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you could move to england and pick strawberries with polish people and still be able to afford an album a week.
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or aquire them even. you are essentially getting the results of someone elses labour for nothing. which legally might not be stealing, but morally it sure as fuck is.
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Or... buy used.
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Well, I wanted to but what Im a bit afraid of is that I would just be another immigrant minority. If things keep going the way the are now, then maybe I wouldnt even mind that eventually. So maybe you'll see me mowing the lawn of some middleclass person in a few years...Uzique wrote:
you could move to england and pick strawberries with polish people and still be able to afford an album a week.
jesus christ you are dumb
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Because that 17 yr old kid hasnt actually listened to his 500 albums, he doesnt give a fuck about them, its just a number to brag about. I'm a filthy pirate, and every album in my library has been carefully added. When i was 17 i did the same thing though. Huge library, no appreciation. On the other hand, without money/a trust fund I'd never have gotten into music anyway.FatherTed wrote:
it's funny really, pre internet mass useage (lets say late 90s?) you would be considered a music aficionado to have maybe 500 albums? now any 17yr old with enough gb/tb and a private tracker amount has that.
and how does this help the artist, exactly? come on, don't be dumbJay wrote:
Or... buy used.
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Was just reading this. That's a fairly large hit in sales, but they are right, the music industry did lose out huge by fighting online distribution instead of adapting and and coping better. Guess they just need to come up with more creative ways to make money. I wonder what the cost of forcing SOPA to this point has been.
How does buying anything used help the initial manufacturer? Doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to get it.Uzique wrote:
and how does this help the artist, exactly? come on, don't be dumbJay wrote:
Or... buy used.
well if most people's complaints and most piracy defenses are "against the industry", it doesn't make much sense to behave in a way that only spurns the original artist.
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Theres the burn, they are ok as long as each buyer can only sell the one copy they bought. Buying one copy and distributing that one to millions is where the industry and artist take the hit. Acceptable losses I guess. But you own that one copy, so it is yours to sell.Uzique wrote:
well if most people's complaints and most piracy defenses are "against the industry", it doesn't make much sense to behave in a way that only spurns the original artist.
You can run enough data sets through your unstealable software to figure out the algorithm - derp.HaiBai wrote:
lol... brute force an algorithm... you can't brute force an algorithm /facepalmDilbert_X wrote:
So you're not selling uncrackable software, you're selling access to your system.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
No doubt someone moderately smart could use a brute force approach to figure out your algorithms and just write their own software.
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you're naive in thinking there's that many reverse engineers running around with enough time to reverse everything they see.Uzique wrote:
if it's profitable for you... it's worth cracking by someone more skilled than you. anything engineered by humans can be reverse engineered. this is pretty logical. no system is perfect, not even the military's. i think you're being a naive kid.HaiBai wrote:
yeah i guess you raise a good point.. it depends on how popular my product is and how intense the calculations are.Mutantbear wrote:
why should I download a program that doesnt do anything
if 100% of the calculations are on your server then whats the point of the client. You are charging for an online service which is different from software piracy. All the load is on your servers since the client is useless; youll probably lose more money having to maintain the servers than from internet piracy if you actually created a piece of software
if it is indeed not worth the effort to do that, ill just pack my software with my own method, followed by themida. ill also implement a bunch of tricks ive learned simply from experience. ill put checks and other studd everywhere just to annoy the fuck out of the cracker. after that i guess you just pray nobody with a high enough skill level comes anywhere near your software
it would be way better and easier to write their own program rather then reverse mine and incorporate it into their own...
you're honestly retarded. seriously, stfu.Dilbert_X wrote:
You can run enough data sets through your unstealable software to figure out the algorithm - derp.HaiBai wrote:
lol... brute force an algorithm... you can't brute force an algorithm /facepalmDilbert_X wrote:
So you're not selling uncrackable software, you're selling access to your system.
No doubt someone moderately smart could use a brute force approach to figure out your algorithms and just write their own software.
were not talking about a simple algorithm that scrambles a word. it considers 100s of different of factors. it's impossible to brute force the exact same algorithm
even if it was possible, do you realize how many data sets it would take? it would literally take years of using my servers. you think i wouldn't realize that some tool is trying to brute force or DDoS my server?
please, just shut up
I don't go to any real 'underground' events, the one thing I can say is the warm-up acts at mainstream events are with few exceptions utter shit.Uzique wrote:
only mainstream music is shit, and that has more to do with the inevitable, logical endpoint of a mass culture so obsessed with instant gratification and instant wealth and bling and all of these other cultural currents than to do with 'music getting bad'. the mainstream mass culture simply desires these shitty, candy-coated 'products' and so the record companies sell to them. music is not suffering, just mainstream music has reached a destination that it has been heading towards for as long as 'pop' music has existed: the super-stream of hyper-coloured shite.
They seem to consist of teenage garage bands with fully developed grunge outfits and zero talent in either writing or performing songs. The rockstar 'zomg I take drugs and trash hotel rooms in my leotard' attitude is all there, in bands which haven't even put an album together. Maybe this is what the record companies think people want.
Mainstream touring is currently 10-20-30 year old bands, there is not much coming through to replace it from what I can see, apart from Pink and Lady Gaga. I can see it dying pretty soon.
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