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2011-12-25 13:31:45

#126

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

@hai bai.

Then you must intend to sell if for so little that it is not worth cracking. If it is worthwhile and costs something then it will be cracked. The only ways it wouldn't be is if there is so little interest that no one will bother to crack it, or if you sell massive quantities for a very small amount.

Last edited by -Whiteroom- (2011-12-25 13:36:51)

2011-12-25 13:31:52

#127

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX

HaiBai wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:

lol... brute force an algorithm... you can't brute force an algorithm /facepalm
You can run enough data sets through your unstealable software to figure out the algorithm - derp.
you're honestly retarded. seriously, stfu.

were not talking about a simple algorithm that scrambles a word. it considers 100s of different of factors. it's impossible to brute force the exact same algorithm

even if it was possible, do you realize how many data sets it would take? it would literally take years of using my servers. you think i wouldn't realize that some tool is trying to brute force or DDoS my server?

please, just shut up

You're unfamiliar with design of experiments I guess.

Fuck Israel

2011-12-25 13:32:17

#128

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

pop just mines whatever the underground produces that can be reified and packaged. just look at britney spears producing dubstep songs with rusko. it has never been going anywhere original.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 13:35:52

#129

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

Uzique wrote:
pop just mines whatever the underground produces that can be reified and packaged. just look at britney spears producing dubstep songs with rusko. it has never been going anywhere original.

It wouldn't be pop if it was doing anything original. Pop is the cash cow, no experimentation there, let no names trial and error shit until it catches on, the repackage it with a familiar, (and pretty), face. It sucks, but you can't blame the execs for doing it since it makes them a fuck ton of cash.

2011-12-25 13:36:26

#130

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX

I'm aware they are defined and separate areas, pop is turning to shit and nothing big is coming out of the indie/underground scene that record companies want to invest in. Where is the next REM, Elton John or AC/DC? They have ongoing appeal because there is so little else.

Apart from Lady Gaga

Fuck Israel

2011-12-25 13:48:48

#131

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

-Whiteroom- wrote:
Uzique wrote:
pop just mines whatever the underground produces that can be reified and packaged. just look at britney spears producing dubstep songs with rusko. it has never been going anywhere original.
It wouldn't be pop if it was doing anything original. Pop is the cash cow, no experimentation there, let no names trial and error shit until it catches on, the repackage it with a familiar, (and pretty), face. It sucks, but you can't blame the execs for doing it since it makes them a fuck ton of cash.

yeah but piracy effects more than just the execs...

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 13:51:04

#132

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

-Whiteroom- wrote:
@hai bai.

Then you must intend to sell if for so little that it is not worth cracking. If it is worthwhile and costs something then it will be cracked. The only ways it wouldn't be is if there is so little interest that no one will bother to crack it, or if you sell massive quantities for a very small amount.

not really... look at the guys who make and sell hacks for FPS. EA, AA, fpscheats, 187ci, etc. the programmers who make those cheats are at about the same level as me, and i know that because i know all of the developers who make them. does their shit ever get cracked? nope. they're all reverse engineers and they know how to protect their programs

2011-12-25 13:51:56

#133

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:

You can run enough data sets through your unstealable software to figure out the algorithm - derp.
you're honestly retarded. seriously, stfu.

were not talking about a simple algorithm that scrambles a word. it considers 100s of different of factors. it's impossible to brute force the exact same algorithm

even if it was possible, do you realize how many data sets it would take? it would literally take years of using my servers. you think i wouldn't realize that some tool is trying to brute force or DDoS my server?

please, just shut up
You're unfamiliar with design of experiments I guess.

you're unfamiliar with programming, assembly, and how computers work, so please stop trying to tell me what can and cant be done

2011-12-25 13:53:26

#134

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 13:56:59

#135

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX

HaiBai wrote:
you're unfamiliar with programming, assembly, and how computers work, so please stop trying to tell me what can and cant be done

the program connects to my server and asks for some calculations or some shit

Sorry, thats about the simplest thing to reverse engineer, just takes one person to buy a license and they can figure out your algorithm.
Lets assume they do it with stolen credit card details - you don't even get paid once.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-12-25 13:59:15)

Fuck Israel

2011-12-25 13:57:45

#136

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

@uzi
wasn't the point, that was more of a side comment. If you want to take a comment about piracy from that, take this one:
If they produced more than just crap, I might be more inclined to buy it. However they flood the market with so much generic "made in china" crap, that it holds no value beyond a dozen or so plays. It holds so little value that nobody actually wants to pay for it. How many songs written this year do you think will be worth listening to a couple decades down the road. Even your "underground" culture is effected by this, everything has to be the latest and greatest, which leads to stuff that can't be listened to repeatedly.

Last edited by -Whiteroom- (2011-12-25 14:00:01)

2011-12-25 13:59:39

#137

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

Uzique wrote:
haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.

Shhhh.. hes a genius that has thought of something that nobody has ever thought of before, and has a way of running it so that nobody can crack it. If only all these huge software companies knew his secret!

2011-12-25 14:00:16

#138

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

well seeing as i'm still listening to 10 year old underground music today, i think your point makes... no sense. pop is ephemeral; real art (music, film, tv, anything...) isn't. i'll be watching the wire in a decade, too. just like i still watch any 20th century film.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 14:01:03

#139

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

-Whiteroom- wrote:
Uzique wrote:
haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.
Shhhh.. hes a genius that has thought of something that nobody has ever thought of before, and has a way of running it so that nobody can crack it. If only all these huge software companies knew his secret!

i guess that's the sort of talent that the third biggest high school in all of america produces!

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 14:01:30

#140

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

Uzique wrote:
well seeing as i'm still listening to 10 year old underground music today, i think your point makes... no sense. pop is ephemeral; real art (music, film, tv, anything...) isn't. i'll be watching the wire in a decade, too. just like i still watch any 20th century film.

you are probably one of the odd men out then.

2011-12-25 14:01:49

#141

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
you're unfamiliar with programming, assembly, and how computers work, so please stop trying to tell me what can and cant be done
the program connects to my server and asks for some calculations or some shit
Sorry, thats about the simplest thing to reverse engineer, just takes one person to buy a license and they can figure out your algorithm.
Lets assume they do it with stolen credit card details - you don't even get paid once.

uh no, no they cant. i like how you're trying to tell me as if you knew what you were talking about.

2011-12-25 14:02:49

#142

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

Uzique wrote:
-Whiteroom- wrote:
Uzique wrote:
haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.
Shhhh.. hes a genius that has thought of something that nobody has ever thought of before, and has a way of running it so that nobody can crack it. If only all these huge software companies knew his secret!
i guess that's the sort of talent that the third biggest high school in all of america produces!

no no no, the top 2% of said high school only!

2011-12-25 14:03:10

#143

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

-Whiteroom- wrote:
Uzique wrote:
haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.
Shhhh.. hes a genius that has thought of something that nobody has ever thought of before, and has a way of running it so that nobody can crack it. If only all these huge software companies knew his secret!

are you under the impression that every piece of software geta cracked? because you're wrong

2011-12-25 14:05:13

#144

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX

HaiBai wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
you're unfamiliar with programming, assembly, and how computers work, so please stop trying to tell me what can and cant be done
the program connects to my server and asks for some calculations or some shit
Sorry, thats about the simplest thing to reverse engineer, just takes one person to buy a license and they can figure out your algorithm.
Lets assume they do it with stolen credit card details - you don't even get paid once.
uh no, no they cant. i like how you're trying to tell me as if you knew what you were talking about.

So whats so special about your software and anti-piracy features that will mean it can't be cracked or reverse engineered - bearing in mind Enigma was cracked using valve technology and I have a $20,000 piece of software from one of the largest software development companies sitting on my PC right now.

Whats it going to do thats so great that people will want to pay for it? Predict online poker hands?

Fuck Israel

2011-12-25 14:06:10

#145

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

itt people with no knowledge of programming and reverse engineering try to tell me about programming and reverse engineering

prolly getting trolled

2011-12-25 14:08:30

#146

HaiBai: Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me; +304|5871|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
HaiBai wrote:
you're unfamiliar with programming, assembly, and how computers work, so please stop trying to tell me what can and cant be done
Sorry, thats about the simplest thing to reverse engineer, just takes one person to buy a license and they can figure out your algorithm.
Lets assume they do it with stolen credit card details - you don't even get paid once.
uh no, no they cant. i like how you're trying to tell me as if you knew what you were talking about.
So whats so special about your software and anti-piracy features that will mean it can't be cracked or reverse engineered - bearing in mind Enigma was cracked using valve technology and I have a $20,000 piece of software from one of the largest software development companies sitting on my PC right now.

Whats it going to do thats so great that people will want to pay for it? Predict online poker hands?

i already told you, it'll connect to my server. but apparently that can be brute forced. i wonder where all these brute forces are that can generate cd keys for online games

and no its not poker

2011-12-25 14:10:38

#147

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX

A piece of software which takes in data and spits out an answer based on a consistent algorithm can be reverse engineered, why is this so hard for you?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-12-25 14:12:08)

Fuck Israel

2011-12-25 14:10:43

#148

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6857

lol haibai is too funny. if only the world's greatest software companies had known... use a server! omfg

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2011-12-25 14:11:39

#149

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5745|London, England

HaiBai wrote:
-Whiteroom- wrote:
@hai bai.

Then you must intend to sell if for so little that it is not worth cracking. If it is worthwhile and costs something then it will be cracked. The only ways it wouldn't be is if there is so little interest that no one will bother to crack it, or if you sell massive quantities for a very small amount.
not really... look at the guys who make and sell hacks for FPS. EA, AA, fpscheats, 187ci, etc. the programmers who make those cheats are at about the same level as me, and i know that because i know all of the developers who make them. does their shit ever get cracked? nope. they're all reverse engineers and they know how to protect their programs

Mitch, you're just digging yourself deeper into shithead territory. Now you're name dropping hackers?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-12-25 14:12:42

#150

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|7046|BC, Canada

HaiBai wrote:
-Whiteroom- wrote:
Uzique wrote:
haibai you really think you're the dog's bollocks at this programming stuff, don't you? no wonder you're convinced you're going to out-success every single person on this forum. i've never seen anyone talk with such dumb arrogance about their interest. congratulations kid, you have an interest in life. you're doing so well.
Shhhh.. hes a genius that has thought of something that nobody has ever thought of before, and has a way of running it so that nobody can crack it. If only all these huge software companies knew his secret!
are you under the impression that every piece of software geta cracked? because you're wrong

anything worthwhile to the masses.
unless you are selling to companies who are willing to pay.
If you are selling something useful to the home user, it will be, otherwise they don't care enough to do it, which means it is a product nobody wants.

Chances are "a million to one" that you have not come up with something ground breaking. If you have, congratulations, but I really doubt it.

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