banksd1983
APC whore
+20|7151
so supposedly this "best clan" can't adapt and learn to play with the new improvements?

though i've used squad hopping, in 8v8 matches it turns bf2 into a strategic game rather than one which requires skill

should be good, sucks they can't adapt

i'm new to my clan and my clan's new to matches, we split up into a few squads and play from there, seems more fun that way
elmo1337
Banned
+186|7045|The real world
rdx is my example, I want to kidnap him and keep him in my house
Jack Bauer
WWJD - What Would Jack Do
+26|7040

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

EA. What a tool.
`nuff said.

*EDIT*

banksd1983 wrote:

so supposedly this "best clan" can't adapt and learn to play with the new improvements?

though i've used squad hopping, in 8v8 matches it turns bf2 into a strategic game rather than one which requires skill

should be good, sucks they can't adapt

i'm new to my clan and my clan's new to matches, we split up into a few squads and play from there, seems more fun that way
Uhm, no.  I think the point they're trying to make is that EA is listening to the WRONG PART if their community.  Making significant gameplay changes which a significant portion of the games most skilled players/teams (who are hopefully generally over the age of 18 and able to think at some level above that of an adolescent [haha, well we can wish..] ) are vehemently opposed to is not a smart move.

Classic EA-Style, right?

Regards,

Jack Bauer

Last edited by Jack Bauer (2006-05-22 11:59:14)

Marlboroman82
Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.
+1,022|7109|Camp XRay

woe is me, what are we supposed to do now that these guys have quit? seems to me that the reaction they were looking for was some type of pity party. If you ask me a squad calls themselves elite should grow a pair and man up and adapt to the changes. That is if they are actually any good. Why do people insist on whining about things before they actually even try it. If you wanna bitch about how bad it sucks you should at least wait until you give it a shot. I agree that things may not make much sense but at least try it before you knock it. So whoever this elite clan is I guess they should think about removing the elite title if they can't adapt to change.
https://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l250/marlboroman82/Untitled-8.png
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7252|UK

Marlboroman82 wrote:

woe is me, what are we supposed to do now that these guys have quit? seems to me that the reaction they were looking for was some type of pity party. If you ask me a squad calls themselves elite should grow a pair and man up and adapt to the changes. That is if they are actually any good. Why do people insist on whining about things before they actually even try it. If you wanna bitch about how bad it sucks you should at least wait until you give it a shot. I agree that things may not make much sense but at least try it before you knock it. So whoever this elite clan is I guess they should think about removing the elite title if they can't adapt to change.
Once changed it will NEVER change back, that is why they are pissed and so am i.

banksd1983 wrote:

so supposedly this "best clan" can't adapt and learn to play with the new improvements?

though i've used squad hopping, in 8v8 matches it turns bf2 into a strategic game rather than one which requires skill

should be good, sucks they can't adapt

i'm new to my clan and my clan's new to matches, we split up into a few squads and play from there, seems more fun that way
I bet you anything you want that in those clan matches you constantly rotate through squad leaders, especially if you are using 2 or more squads in 5v5 and 8v8.
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7256|AUS, Canberra
i still cant belive they put out a press release, thats goto be the dumbest thing iv ever heard of.
Jack Bauer
WWJD - What Would Jack Do
+26|7040

the_heart_attack wrote:

i still cant belive they put out a press release, thats goto be the dumbest thing iv ever heard of.
Why not?  If they truly are world champs (I must admit I never heard of them before this thread, however) I fail to see what they have to lose by sending out a press release on their way out of the BF2 scene.  Assuming they really are that good, I'd bet at least 1 Terrorist that EA will probably hear at least something about it now, whereas if they hadn't created the press release, who knows?

Regards,

Jack Bauer

Last edited by Jack Bauer (2006-05-22 12:09:53)

JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7263
Arent teams [HOT] and 20id both way better than them?
dld4217
310 Cop
+1|7062|Arizona
Bye!!!!
[tlv]TDL
Member
+7|7144

JaMDuDe wrote:

Arent teams [HOT] and 20id both way better than them?
Code7 beat HOT on karkand, maybe HOTs best map so no. And Code7 won the World Turnament, that makes them the worlds best team.

The guys in Code7 are awsome, played with all of the norwegian ones public many times and the team in a infantry 5on5 match, they really know how to play this game, better than everybody else.
Marlboroman82
Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.
+1,022|7109|Camp XRay

Look like i stated above why do you all bitch and rave about something that has not even been implemented yet. You have no idea how it will actually work until you play with it. I understand that when you play clan matches that rotate through squad leaders is a vital tatic. On the other hand I remember the bitching about how previous patches were going to ruin bf2. Seems to me that a few people still play bf2 so I guess they either got better or learned to adapt. I am not trying to be a prick about all of this, but I am having a really hard time understanding why people feel they know what the outocme is going to be before it is even implemented.
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[RDH]Warlord
Quakecon Attendee
+17|7144|SLC, Utah, USA

a fly wrote:

the squad changed DESTROY teamwork, and ea is blind to it, if i switch so i can spawn back and HELP me TEAMMATE, isent that a good thing?

i will not mind this change if the spawntime becomes 10 seconds, but if you choose not to spawn a medic has a total of 35 seconds to revive you.... that should make up for the lost squadleader "exploit"
If I had god-mode, never died, isn't that helping my TEAMMATE?  If I never died, I could kill someone, so he would never kill my teammembers.

EA is trying to make this as stable a game, as similar to real-life.  Guys popping out of nowhere because you cannot find/kill that one pesky guy hiding isn't that enjoyable.  Picture for a moment there is no such thing as squads (no mobile spawns).  1 person goes for a back point, someone defends against one person.  6 people go for a back point calls more attention than one, so more defenses can be scrambled.  EA realizes that now that one person can become 6 at the worst possible time, due to people exploiting something they never intended people to exploit, and people call that a nerf.

As for Code7, well, those guys are whiners.  I play BF2 very well, and I don't find the changes in this game enough for me to cry out "THEY'RE NOT LISTENING TO US!!! THEY HATE US AND WANT TO MAKE US MISERABLE!"  EA IS listening to people.  It's a problem with online complaints.  Only people with complaints post them online.  People with nothing to complain about don't go on to say that "this feature is good, it should never be changed" on their own.  So EA has only the complainers to listen to, and when they get it wrong, they get confused as to why people hate the change.
Jack Bauer
WWJD - What Would Jack Do
+26|7040

Marlboroman82 wrote:

Look like i stated above why do you all bitch and rave about something that has not even been implemented yet. You have no idea how it will actually work until you play with it. I understand that when you play clan matches that rotate through squad leaders is a vital tatic. On the other hand I remember the bitching about how previous patches were going to ruin bf2. Seems to me that a few people still play bf2 so I guess they either got better or learned to adapt. I am not trying to be a prick about all of this, but I am having a really hard time understanding why people feel they know what the outocme is going to be before it is even implemented.
Haha, you put a smile on my face.  Thank you for that.

The previous patches have seriously deviated the balance of the game from the vision that the original authors/creators of BF2 intended.

To quote ComradeWho (http://forums.bf2s.com/profile.php?id=9482) from his post in another thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=25150#p368409

ComradeWho wrote:

"I can tell you about this
Way back... in the long long ago...
there used to be a creative balance to this game
before the newbun tribe demanded that the elders nerf the flying machines
the MEC had the havok.. the USMC had the blackhawk.. and the PLA had the j-10. each army had one aircraft with a distinct advantage over the others. but the newbun tribe, unable to view the game from a larger perspective and only able to focus on their own shitty experience, whined and dismantled many elements of the creative balance the game once had.  now we have a wierd hybrid of a new type of balance (varying strengths and weaknesses) and the old type of balance (equality) and the result is that nothing is really balanced."
I believe this to be very insightful and in all liklihood, the truth about what has happened to this game (It is worth noting that this is not official, nor concrete, but it sure hit home with me).

Best Regards,

Jack Bauer

*EDIT* Added a link to ComradeWho's profile.  If I could, I would have given him much more than a single +1 karma for the insight he provided in that post.

Last edited by Jack Bauer (2006-05-22 13:05:03)

xaven
Member
+25|7219|Berlin

Marlboroman82 wrote:

I am not trying to be a prick about all of this, but I am having a really hard time understanding why people feel they know what the outocme is going to be before it is even implemented.
Because they do. And I do. I fought many clan matches and fun wars etc. so I can see clearly what are the results changing the gameplay in this way. On most maps like karkand and others squad hopping is essential.

By the way: Code7 has quit because they feel kinda pissed and I can understand it. You invest much much time, motivation, engagement in techniques (and tactics based on these techniques) and suddenly its all for nothing.

to give an example for our public only comrades: you play 2 months china only to get the peoples medaillon. As you almost get it, requirements are lowered and everybody has it. All china only playing for nothing.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7138
Did any one of you actually care squadhopping before EA announced its removal?

No, you didn't, so please stop writing post after pointless post about it.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7138

xaven wrote:

Did you ever care about the ability to jump? No? Ok, so stop writing such bull****.
I'm not advocating it's removal, rather that people should stop spamming their half-baked opinions about it everywhere.

Read my post again dude, you misinterpreted it
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
xaven
Member
+25|7219|Berlin

SargeV1.4 wrote:

xaven wrote:

Did you ever care about the ability to jump? No? Ok, so stop writing such bull****.
I'm not advocating it's removal, rather that people should stop spamming their half-baked opinions about it everywhere.

Read my post again dude, you misinterpreted it
youre right, sorry! its late and my english sucks anyway. and that whole issue and my bank account and my ill grandma. sorry.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7252|UK

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

a fly wrote:

the squad changed DESTROY teamwork, and ea is blind to it, if i switch so i can spawn back and HELP me TEAMMATE, isent that a good thing?

i will not mind this change if the spawntime becomes 10 seconds, but if you choose not to spawn a medic has a total of 35 seconds to revive you.... that should make up for the lost squadleader "exploit"
If I had god-mode, never died, isn't that helping my TEAMMATE?  If I never died, I could kill someone, so he would never kill my teammembers.

EA is trying to make this as stable a game, as similar to real-life.  Guys popping out of nowhere because you cannot find/kill that one pesky guy hiding isn't that enjoyable.  Picture for a moment there is no such thing as squads (no mobile spawns).  1 person goes for a back point, someone defends against one person.  6 people go for a back point calls more attention than one, so more defenses can be scrambled.  EA realizes that now that one person can become 6 at the worst possible time, due to people exploiting something they never intended people to exploit, and people call that a nerf.

As for Code7, well, those guys are whiners.  I play BF2 very well, and I don't find the changes in this game enough for me to cry out "THEY'RE NOT LISTENING TO US!!! THEY HATE US AND WANT TO MAKE US MISERABLE!"  EA IS listening to people.  It's a problem with online complaints.  Only people with complaints post them online.  People with nothing to complain about don't go on to say that "this feature is good, it should never be changed" on their own.  So EA has only the complainers to listen to, and when they get it wrong, they get confused as to why people hate the change.
plz never ever talk about REALISM in a game, ITS A GAME!!! tickets is hardly realistic now is it? (yes in know it represents lives, however thats not anything like how it works in real life)
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7252|UK

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Did any one of you actually care squadhopping before EA announced its removal?

No, you didn't, so please stop writing post after pointless post about it.
maybe because that was completly adverse to game play and fun.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|7051|England

Its amazing, Ive had this game for about 3-4months now. Loving it. Made me quit CS:Source. Why? Decent updates and bug fixes with a nice, coherent and also random gameplay. In that time, ive had the red name bug once...and that was in the first week I had the game. Never encountered any other bugs (although I know of the commander one).

With CS:S, people complain left right and centre to valve about the shitty things in the game.
-  Friends network hasnt worked since it was released in Oct 03. They have now, just got around to beta testing it. And now they are fixing it, everyone is complaining "its too late, everyone uses xfire. you are too late valve".
- SourceTV (like battlerecorder) is so bodged up, you cant view weapons in first person mode and you cannot spectate a game by moving around - your view is exactly at the origin of the map (usually in the middle of the ground - and you cannot change this).
- Original player models for each team have only just all finally been released after the game being released over 2 years ago - and 6 of the 8 models are of an absolutly appauling quality, for the high quality game that Source is supposed to be.
- Newer maps take longer to load, so noone plays them. Its only Dust2 since its quick to load and basic gameplay. Nobody will play the redone versions of Militia/Nuke/Inferno or others since they take a long time to load. BF2 maps take longer to load than they do.
- A lot of the updates have caused driver problems where people have had to install new drivers to keep up with the game, or adjust windows background settings to comply with the additional updates.

Along with hundreds of other items, including one where on EVERY update, your favourites list gets wiped and even if you add new favourites, they are gone next time you load up the game. How useful is that?
If we had that in BF2, there would be about 300 topics on this forum along, each with about 5pages of replies bitching about it.


Consider yourselves lucky that there are so few bugs in BF2 and everything actually works (to an extent) and there are actually updates to the game that dont screw up even the most basic of things.
EA is not perfect by a long shot - no computer game company is or ever will be. Get used to it.
If everyone is as mature as they claim to be, you would have realised this by now.

Every game ever made will have complainers about it...everyone will like something about a game and dislike another part. Some people love squad hopping...others done. Grow up and get over it. This patch isnt even released yet and all I read is posts slating how bad its gona be.
Personally, I think the vehicle drops are intended to help get around everyone complaining about squad hopping - to enable more troops to get to the battle quicker (although, we all know it wont work that way).
Whats that saying? "Appearances can be deceptive - you should get to know somebody first".
Same applies here. Grow up, stop bitching and either keep your trap shut til its released or complain AFTER its released.
And no, im not in a clan for BF2 - so this is the viewpoint of myself, being a public player.

Last edited by Snake (2006-05-22 14:38:41)

sgt_mango333
Member
+31|7138
Wah....who cares.  EA does itself and the gaming community a lot of good by making these changes.  Every change makes the game different and breathes a little bit or renewed life into it, draws in more new players, and keeps it possilbe for EA to continue to support something they have no legal obligation to do in the first place.

It's too bad a top level clan can't find it in themselves to adapt with the game.  Says something about them if that is their only reason for stepping back.  Although I have a feeling they just need a break from the rigor and the structure and this is a convenient excuse to bow out ?gracefully?

Adapt, play, and have fun.  If the changes EA makes are just too much for you and your fragile little world, quit playing and start knitting...that hasn't changed for over 100 years.  At least then you'll stop flooding these otherwise useful forums with whining and moaning about your psychological frailty.
banksd1983
APC whore
+20|7151

Vilham wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:

woe is me, what are we supposed to do now that these guys have quit? seems to me that the reaction they were looking for was some type of pity party. If you ask me a squad calls themselves elite should grow a pair and man up and adapt to the changes. That is if they are actually any good. Why do people insist on whining about things before they actually even try it. If you wanna bitch about how bad it sucks you should at least wait until you give it a shot. I agree that things may not make much sense but at least try it before you knock it. So whoever this elite clan is I guess they should think about removing the elite title if they can't adapt to change.
Once changed it will NEVER change back, that is why they are pissed and so am i.

banksd1983 wrote:

so supposedly this "best clan" can't adapt and learn to play with the new improvements?

though i've used squad hopping, in 8v8 matches it turns bf2 into a strategic game rather than one which requires skill

should be good, sucks they can't adapt

i'm new to my clan and my clan's new to matches, we split up into a few squads and play from there, seems more fun that way
I bet you anything you want that in those clan matches you constantly rotate through squad leaders, especially if you are using 2 or more squads in 5v5 and 8v8.
wouldn't it be more realisitc to make one person squad leader and have them stay back while squad members go in for the "fight"? or are these games just about capping flags?

I still think it's lame to squad hop multiple times, especially in clan matches. pick a squad, stay with it. Kill the enemy, cap some flags.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7175|Tampa Bay Florida
Britney Spears is a bad mother
BallisticallyYours
Member
+23|7116|Chicago, IL

1927 wrote:

There seem to be a lot of people putting the game away but not all lie the blame at EA's door.  At least this bunch don't mention how TK'ing is getting worse.  There arn't the only ones getting fed up, but probably the best there is.  If you do anything long enough you get fed up and de-motivate yourself.

Is it fair to blame EA cos they seem bored?


Perhaps they aren't putting it to sleep but kind of by looking to play other games.
Agreed!
Defiance
Member
+438|7156

I sent an email a week or two ago saying that 1.3 would be hated by competitive gamers, and this happens.

I'M PSYCHIC!

banksd1983 wrote:

wouldn't it be more realisitc to make one person squad leader and have them stay back while squad members go in for the "fight"? or are these games just about capping flags?
No, because in matches UAV and scans are everywhere, squad leaders often die no matter what and the closer you can spawjn to the flag the better your chances are at capping it.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-05-22 17:06:15)

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