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2012-01-03 21:42:37
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


Why should there be a Department of Education? Do we not have state boards? County boards? District boards? How much government does it require to pick a text book?

Just because the line of thinking is alien to you doesn't make it wrong.
My 2c - because Texas wouldn't teach evolution...
Yes it would. The state is not that ass backwards. Even if they did, so what? Their loss and their kids loss.

Some members of their state board tried forcing the teaching of intelligent design into their science textbooks and it didn't fly.
Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
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2012-01-03 21:44:43
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


My 2c - because Texas wouldn't teach evolution...
Yes it would. The state is not that ass backwards. Even if they did, so what? Their loss and their kids loss.

Some members of their state board tried forcing the teaching of intelligent design into their science textbooks and it didn't fly.
Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
It's that whole democracy thing where people are allowed to vote for what they believe in. Not everyone shares your beliefs Aussie, and you're certainly free to never take up residency in Texas if you despise them so much.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 21:47:27
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eleven bravo wrote:

rick santorum is really mentioning mussolini like that name is significant in a 2012 american election
He's delightfully insane.  but seriously, this country has a sodomy problem,  and he's the solution.
2012-01-03 21:49:00
Macbeth
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


My 2c - because Texas wouldn't teach evolution...
Yes it would. The state is not that ass backwards. Even if they did, so what? Their loss and their kids loss.

Some members of their state board tried forcing the teaching of intelligent design into their science textbooks and it didn't fly.
Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
The really sad part is that the states with the worst education stats are also the states where the populations are most supportive of wiping out the DoE and teaching intelligent design.
2012-01-03 21:51:26
KEN-JENNINGS
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Actually jay I don't think you're racist I just think you're a 'let's laugh them because they're different' kind of guy. Especially if they're poorer than you.
2012-01-03 21:52:46
Jay
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Actually jay I don't think you're racist I just think you're a 'let's laugh them because they're different' kind of guy. Especially if they're poorer than you.
Nah, I don't laugh. I'm not a bully. I just don't feel sorry for them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 21:53:23
KEN-JENNINGS
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Macbeth wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


Yes it would. The state is not that ass backwards. Even if they did, so what? Their loss and their kids loss.

Some members of their state board tried forcing the teaching of intelligent design into their science textbooks and it didn't fly.
Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
The really sad part is that the states with the worst education stats are also the states where the populations are most supportive of wiping out the DoE and teaching intelligent design.
That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Correlation does not blah blah
2012-01-03 21:54:21
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


Yes it would. The state is not that ass backwards. Even if they did, so what? Their loss and their kids loss.

Some members of their state board tried forcing the teaching of intelligent design into their science textbooks and it didn't fly.
Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
It's that whole democracy thing where people are allowed to vote for what they believe in. Not everyone shares your beliefs Aussie, and you're certainly free to never take up residency in Texas if you despise them so much.
Oh, thanks.

Enjoy your "God did it" education system because democracy!
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2012-01-03 21:54:52
KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Actually jay I don't think you're racist I just think you're a 'let's laugh them because they're different' kind of guy. Especially if they're poorer than you.
Nah, I don't laugh. I'm not a bully. I just don't feel sorry for them.
Haha I'm not Jewish, I don't need someone to bag my groceries. *fist bump*
2012-01-03 21:55:42
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Intelligent design wouldn't be discussed at all by the dept of ed. But in Texas...? lol their loss oh well. Thats not a great attitude.
It's that whole democracy thing where people are allowed to vote for what they believe in. Not everyone shares your beliefs Aussie, and you're certainly free to never take up residency in Texas if you despise them so much.
Oh, thanks.

Enjoy your "God did it" education system because democracy!
I would send my kids to a private school that taught real science if the majority of my state felt that way. Or, I would move. The beautiful thing about being an American is that we have 50 nominally independent governments to choose from.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 21:56:20
Jay
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Actually jay I don't think you're racist I just think you're a 'let's laugh them because they're different' kind of guy. Especially if they're poorer than you.
Nah, I don't laugh. I'm not a bully. I just don't feel sorry for them.
Haha I'm not Jewish, I don't need someone to bag my groceries. *fist bump*
You've never stereotyped anyone?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 21:58:55
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


It's that whole democracy thing where people are allowed to vote for what they believe in. Not everyone shares your beliefs Aussie, and you're certainly free to never take up residency in Texas if you despise them so much.
Oh, thanks.

Enjoy your "God did it" education system because democracy!
I would send my kids to a private school that taught real science if the majority of my state felt that way. Or, I would move. The beautiful thing about being an American is that we have 50 nominally independent governments to choose from.
Awesome. Low education standards? Solution = Move.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2012-01-03 22:06:53
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Oh, thanks.

Enjoy your "God did it" education system because democracy!
I would send my kids to a private school that taught real science if the majority of my state felt that way. Or, I would move. The beautiful thing about being an American is that we have 50 nominally independent governments to choose from.
Awesome. Low education standards? Solution = Move.
Isn't that pretty standard? One of the primary factors that most Americans look into when looking to buy a home is the quality of the school district. Bad school districts drive people away rather than attract them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 22:11:15
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Jay wrote:

One of the primary factors that most Americans look into when looking to buy a home is the quality of the school district.
If you have money, can move, and have a concept of what is and is not a good education. A single black mother living in the Bronx doesn't have any of those and can't just move.
2012-01-03 22:14:44
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


I would send my kids to a private school that taught real science if the majority of my state felt that way. Or, I would move. The beautiful thing about being an American is that we have 50 nominally independent governments to choose from.
Awesome. Low education standards? Solution = Move.
Isn't that pretty standard? One of the primary factors that most Americans look into when looking to buy a home is the quality of the school district. Bad school districts drive people away rather than attract them.
Not everyone has that option. and it is not the only factor.

You would rather see a drop in standards because YOU would simply move. What of those who can't?

It's bizarre you would be fine with ID taught anywhere in the US.
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2012-01-03 22:19:22
KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay- regarding you're "why do we need the DoE?" question.

Because there should be basic schooling taught. It's the same as any other issue: healthcare, social security, welfare, etc. it's part of the social contract. That's part of what government is for. The fact that people leech off the system is more a reflection on human nature and american capitalism and less a reflection of government in general should be.

I'm starting to think that the whole 'city on a hill' thing is ultimately going to doom our society. It's like we've put ourselves in a fishbowl and the captive audience has both warped our collective psyche and pressure-cooked our government into some kind of Leviathan.
2012-01-03 22:19:28
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Awesome. Low education standards? Solution = Move.
Isn't that pretty standard? One of the primary factors that most Americans look into when looking to buy a home is the quality of the school district. Bad school districts drive people away rather than attract them.
Not everyone has that option. and it is not the only factor.

You would rather see a drop in standards because YOU would simply move. What of those who can't?

It's bizarre you would be fine with ID taught anywhere in the US.
Dude, what part of democracy don't you understand? You're a liberal, isn't it what you always tout? Majority rule. If the majority want ID taught to their kids, so be it.

Besides, prove ID to be wrong.

Last edited by Jay (2012-01-03 22:20:23)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 22:40:00
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


Isn't that pretty standard? One of the primary factors that most Americans look into when looking to buy a home is the quality of the school district. Bad school districts drive people away rather than attract them.
Not everyone has that option. and it is not the only factor.

You would rather see a drop in standards because YOU would simply move. What of those who can't?

It's bizarre you would be fine with ID taught anywhere in the US.
Dude, what part of democracy don't you understand? You're a liberal, isn't it what you always tout? Majority rule. If the majority want ID taught to their kids, so be it.

Besides, prove ID to be wrong.
That's not how it works. Prove I'D is right and there is no problem at all teaching it. Otherwise prove there is no magical tea pot in space or that goes into the curriculum too.

As ken said, the government has a social contract. Delivery of those services needs to meet a standard.
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2012-01-03 22:41:13
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Not everyone has that option. and it is not the only factor.

You would rather see a drop in standards because YOU would simply move. What of those who can't?

It's bizarre you would be fine with ID taught anywhere in the US.
Dude, what part of democracy don't you understand? You're a liberal, isn't it what you always tout? Majority rule. If the majority want ID taught to their kids, so be it.

Besides, prove ID to be wrong.
That's not how it works. Prove I'D is right and there is no problem at all teaching it. Otherwise prove there is no magical tea pot in space or that goes into the curriculum too.

As ken said, the government has a social contract. Delivery of those services needs to meet a standard.
Funny that you only want a standard when you agree with it
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 22:50:49
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:


Dude, what part of democracy don't you understand? You're a liberal, isn't it what you always tout? Majority rule. If the majority want ID taught to their kids, so be it.

Besides, prove ID to be wrong.
That's not how it works. Prove I'D is right and there is no problem at all teaching it. Otherwise prove there is no magical tea pot in space or that goes into the curriculum too.

As ken said, the government has a social contract. Delivery of those services needs to meet a standard.
Funny that you only want a standard when you agree with it
Don't you agree that ID is a lower standard then what the DoE sets?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2012-01-03 22:54:01
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


That's not how it works. Prove I'D is right and there is no problem at all teaching it. Otherwise prove there is no magical tea pot in space or that goes into the curriculum too.

As ken said, the government has a social contract. Delivery of those services needs to meet a standard.
Funny that you only want a standard when you agree with it
Don't you agree that ID is a lower standard then what the DoE sets?
The DoE doesn't set the standard. If the Texas state board had approved ID education it would've gone through. It would've been challenged and overturned by the Supreme Court, but it would've gone through. Stop thinking that our federal government is all-powerful, it's not. That 10th amendment is a bitch.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2012-01-03 23:05:20
AussieReaper
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

because the second he says get rid of the department of education/commerce/energy/let iran have nukes, people will be reminded why. are you that unfamailiar with the national electorate? its not rocket science.
Why should there be a Department of Education? Do we not have state boards? County boards? District boards? How much government does it require to pick a text book?

Just because the line of thinking is alien to you doesn't make it wrong.
Guess it requires the Supreme Court and 10th amendment at least...
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2012-01-04 00:50:12
Dilbert_X
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Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

and the next reply from jay will be something about sheep.
No, I just want to hear your honest opinion why you feel he is unelectable.
He's too old, too mad and his whacky theories aren't going to work in socialist America.
Fuck Israel
2012-01-04 04:31:36
Dilbert_X
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Mr Paul, a Texas congressman, finished third and vowed to contest New Hampshire.

"This momentum is going to continue," he told a jubilant crowd of supporters. "We will go on, we will raise the money."
I like how the Presidency is basically bought.
Fuck Israel
2012-01-04 05:43:13
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Mr Paul, a Texas congressman, finished third and vowed to contest New Hampshire.

"This momentum is going to continue," he told a jubilant crowd of supporters. "We will go on, we will raise the money."
I like how the Presidency is basically bought.
"bought"? The implication being that the candidates hand out money to voters or something.

You can't campaign on beans and franks and well-wishes. It costs money to buy air time and ad space, pay for offices, staffers, transportation, etc. Or did you think an election fairy magicked all that stuff into being?
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