BF2S Forums Chinese schoolchildren and adults running around with live keychains

It is interesting how Chinese culture seems to have very little respect for animal life while western culture does. It's weird because Chinese art for a very long time was focused on nature and landscapes and not on human beings.

You would think this would translate into a cultural respect for nature and animals but it really hasn't. On the other hand in the west, Christians were given dominion over the earth in the bible. You would think this would translate over to Chinese like apathy but it hasn't. Animals, especially dogs, have always been a big part of western culture. It's not a new first world thing either. At the siege of Ma'arra in 1098, a chronicler from the time was more freaked out at the fact the crusaders were eating dogs than he was that they were eating other people. The quote was "the Christians did not shrink from eating not only killed Turks or Saracens, but even dogs!"

Just found that interesting.

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Ohnoes a country full of people doesnt share my personal code of morals!!!

Jay wrote:

we have the government we deserve. we're a vapid culture that spends our money on mindless entertainment and/or get rich/to heaven schemes. most people seem to find george jetsons job to be about as much as they can handle. this aint just america either, the whole 'developed world' is like rome under nero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

There's no dissonance. I qualify caring about inconsequential shit like the feelings of animals bred for the sole purpose of dying to be on par with mindless entertainment. It's something to do, and for no real purpose. I don't care that Michael Vick bred dogs to fight, and I don't care about Snooki. I don't harm animals, and I would get upset if someone did so in front of me, but what people do in China or on a Virginia farm has fuckall to do with my life.

Spearhead wrote:

Maybe this has got nothing to do with feeling sorry for fish and everything to do with some poor guy just trying to make a buck on the street?  The Chinese are not exactly known for their self regulation.

If the choice is between a man feeding his family and an animal suffering because of it, or a family starving, there are a lot of animal rights people that would rather see the family starve. Of course, they won't be happy until their purebreed Maine Coon has the right to vote though...

Last edited by Jay (2012-02-22 08:39:35)

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Ohnoes a country full of people doesnt share my personal code of morals!!!

Jay wrote:

we have the government we deserve. we're a vapid culture that spends our money on mindless entertainment and/or get rich/to heaven schemes. most people seem to find george jetsons job to be about as much as they can handle. this aint just america either, the whole 'developed world' is like rome under nero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

There's no dissonance. I qualify caring about inconsequential shit like the feelings of animals bred for the sole purpose of dying to be on par with mindless entertainment. It's something to do, and for no real purpose. I don't care that Michael Vick bred dogs to fight, and I don't care about Snooki. I don't harm animals, and I would get upset if someone did so in front of me, but what people do in China or on a Virginia farm has fuckall to do with my life.

Jay wrote:

Umm, I don't know what libertarians you've talked to, but... I kind of view pet ownership, or really a relationship with any animal that is dependent on you for its survival, almost in the same light as raising a child. Granted, they aren't equal, but you are responsible for the life nonetheless. I mean by the same token, a child is property until they turn 18 or emancipate themself. Are you advocating child molestation as well?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p3295650

No, it's not. It's not limited to human beings. A pet is not simply an inanimate piece of property (unless we're talking about a pet rock). That whole golden rule stuff certainly pertains to animals that you choose to bring into your home and care for. Fucking your dog in the ass is just about as fucked up as fucking your five year old kid in the ass. Sorry to break it to ya.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p3295665

Nonjudgmental of culture Jay meet America is decadent jay.
Animal's feelings don't matter Jay meet animals are like sorta of like children jay.

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Ohnoes a country full of people doesnt share my personal code of morals!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

There's no dissonance. I qualify caring about inconsequential shit like the feelings of animals bred for the sole purpose of dying to be on par with mindless entertainment. It's something to do, and for no real purpose. I don't care that Michael Vick bred dogs to fight, and I don't care about Snooki. I don't harm animals, and I would get upset if someone did so in front of me, but what people do in China or on a Virginia farm has fuckall to do with my life.

Jay wrote:

Umm, I don't know what libertarians you've talked to, but... I kind of view pet ownership, or really a relationship with any animal that is dependent on you for its survival, almost in the same light as raising a child. Granted, they aren't equal, but you are responsible for the life nonetheless. I mean by the same token, a child is property until they turn 18 or emancipate themself. Are you advocating child molestation as well?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p3295650

No, it's not. It's not limited to human beings. A pet is not simply an inanimate piece of property (unless we're talking about a pet rock). That whole golden rule stuff certainly pertains to animals that you choose to bring into your home and care for. Fucking your dog in the ass is just about as fucked up as fucking your five year old kid in the ass. Sorry to break it to ya.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p3295665

Nonjudgmental of culture Jay meet America is decadent jay.
Animal's feelings don't matter Jay meet animals are like sorta of like children jay.

Let's not forget that this was in response to you wanting to stomp on kittens for fun.

yeah seriously macbeth thats fucked up. btw after looking at the keychain, seems like you ccan change the water by taking the top off.

jord wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLaQsPtMIQI

[ ] china

i leik toitles

Mutantbear wrote:

but if macbeth edited his post in the other thread and said "Why should torturing a turtle in an tiny, airless container, that I own, for sexual gratification be illegal if it doesn't affect the lives of any other human beings? It seems like any sort of animal cruelty laws is just legislating morality."

you would say the same thing

There's a vast gulf between me finding something abhorrent on a personal level, and me wanting to legislate away the behavior. In the case of the Chinese, I don't feel any compunction to try to exert my moral code on them, especially as they have a completely different culture from my own. I expect different things from them than I do from a kid that lives within 50 miles of me.

Last edited by Jay (2012-02-22 09:36:55)

I do

Mutantbear wrote:

you dont think your ideas of good morality should transcend different cultures of the world?

I don't think buying live keychains is china's biggest issue... theyve got a whole lot more darker shit than this. put your money where your mouth is, stop buying chinese products if you feel they really hurt your morality.

Cybargs wrote:

Mutantbear wrote:

you dont think your ideas of good morality should transcend different cultures of the world?

I don't think buying live keychains is china's biggest issue... theyve got a whole lot more darker shit than this. put your money where your mouth is, stop buying chinese products if you feel they really hurt your morality.

it doesnt hurt mine, just digging

Pochsy wrote:

I don't find this to be an odious act at all. It's a fish. Fishermen in the west do no better.

Maybe if it was a mammal or some higher life form I might feel more strongly, but even then, animals =/= humans in my book. Morality does not apply.

morality always applies

Some meat eaters here need to visit the typical slaughter house, veal farm, mass production chicken/pig farms.

Yes, I've hand picked chickens, goats, pigs, and even a cattle for slaughter and seen there throat slit or head shot(cow).