BF2S Forums EE Chat - February

Macbeth wrote:

This will be over as soon as Jay admits either
A) He doesn't know what he is talking about
B) Macbeth knows more about what we are talking about than he does

Lol, ok. You are and always have been a moron with an oversized ego. Your problem has always been that you think your smart. You're not. You can regurgitate the shit you read in class, and you do a wonderful job parroting the views your professors provide you, but you have zero real world experience, and you admittedly want none. You're the kid that declared that he never wanted to leave New Jersey because he could learn all he needed about history and culture from the comfort of his reading chair. You have no perspective of your own. It mirrors your emotional psychopathy and inability to understand emotion in any way other than mimicry and manipulation. I'd feel sorry for you, but I really don't care. I'd frankly rather talk to androoz than you, because for all of his outward arrogance and childishness, he at least doesn't think he's a 20 year old ubermensch.

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Centralization doesn't mean fascism. It just mean authority is concentrated. Concentrated authority could be used to protect rights for instance. Take note of enlightened despotism. Rousseau's "forcing people to be free" is in the same vein. Power and authority to protect. American liberals follow this by believing that an expanded government could best protect them, their liberty, and their rights. American conservatives, and by extension libertarians see this (protection of liberty) being achieved with less government involvement. Same shit, different approach.

Both parties are authoritarian in some ways as any other government but they are nowhere near fascist and are very much on the liberal side of things.

Anyway, tell me what is the most libertarian government or country in the world right now? In history?

The fact that you believe that enlightened despotism can actually exist, let alone that it is a desirable outcome, tells me all I need to know about you. Concentrated power always leads to despotism. There can be no other outcome. If the power exists, it will be used to control others and bend them to the will of whoever wields that power. But, you hate humanity and have the ego of Ayn Rand, so it appeals to you and your desire to manipulate and control others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_absolutism
Has existed. It's totally a term that has meaning and is used by people who study politics and stuff.

As for the Ayn Rand thing- you named your account here JohnG@lt sooo lol . Hell your user title is still a reference to your old account name. You should change that.

Macbeth wrote:

Still name a libertarian country or the closest thing to it.

I want an androoz control master switch. Modmin button that would delete all threads started by and all posts made by a user who has less than ten days of registration.

The ultimate fakk off.

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Still name a libertarian country or the closest thing to it.

The libertarian 'utopia' you mock can not exist because of the aforementioned tendency for power to beget power. The natural state for any government is authoritarian tyranny. That's why libertarianism remains the ideal to strive for as it is so fleeting. The only real valid example from history was early America under the Articles of Confederation, and even post Articles up to Andrew Jackson. From there it's been federal expansion on an exponential scale.

So, mock all you want, you're the asshole helping the politicians get the power they want.

So it's kinda like communism then?

Never existed. Just an utopia. Contradictory to human nature.

Better than desiring jackboots.

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

The libertarian 'utopia' you mock can not exist because of the aforementioned tendency for power to beget power. The natural state for any government is authoritarian tyranny. That's why libertarianism remains the ideal to strive for as it is so fleeting. The only real valid example from history was early America under the Articles of Confederation, and even post Articles up to Andrew Jackson. From there it's been federal expansion on an exponential scale.

So, mock all you want, you're the asshole helping the politicians get the power they want.

So it's kinda like communism then?

Never existed. Just an utopia. Contradictory to human nature.

Better than desiring jackboots.

Okay wow haha. Enjoy fantasy land.

Macbeth wrote:

I would also consider staying out of DST for now on if I were you. I'm just going to bring this up every time you try to advocate libertarianism or libertarian policy.

What is there to mock? My desire for freedom? Good luck with that, the only people that will agree with you are Dilbert and AussieReaper(Because HuffPo told him to). Congratulations on your future confirmation bias.

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I would also consider staying out of DST for now on if I were you. I'm just going to bring this up every time you try to advocate libertarianism or libertarian policy.

What is there to mock? My desire for freedom? Good luck with that, the only people that will agree with you are Dilbert and AussieReaper(Because HuffPo told him to). Congratulations on your future confirmation bias.

The whole advocating something you know has never and can never exist. That's what I am going to mock relentlessly.

Communism is also about freedom. You should consider looking into that realm of magical thinking.

You can mock all you want.

To you, the only rational response to ever expanding government is to accept it, and accelerate it along. My response is to fight the expansion in any way I can. Your way is like telling a woman that since she's already being raped, she should just go ahead and enjoy it since she has no alternative.

Enjoy your jackboots, coward.

So, Jay, how are you being proactive in your fight against big government?

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

The whole advocating something you know has never and can never exist. That's what I am going to mock relentlessly.

Communism is also about freedom. You should consider looking into that realm of magical thinking.

You can mock all you want.

To you, the only rational response to ever expanding government is to accept it, and accelerate it along. My response is to fight the expansion in any way I can. Your way is like telling a woman that since she's already being raped, she should just go ahead and enjoy it since she has no alternative.

Enjoy your jackboots, coward.

Your response is to bitch, complain, and hope for something you know will never come. Kinda like a religious person refusing to accept reality.

I really do find it hilarious that you know the thing you wish most for will never and can never come true. You constructed your whole persona around something that isn't there. That's an impressive feat.

What is it you think I'm fighting for? There is no overarching libertarian philosophy or world view. That's pretty much the whole point. Freedom. Freedom in thought, and freedom in outcomes. Everyone has different ideas, and different expectations. The only unifying factor we have is a desire to remain as free as possible. And you mock that? For someone so young to give up on the world already is pathetic.

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

You can mock all you want.

To you, the only rational response to ever expanding government is to accept it, and accelerate it along. My response is to fight the expansion in any way I can. Your way is like telling a woman that since she's already being raped, she should just go ahead and enjoy it since she has no alternative.

Enjoy your jackboots, coward.

Your response is to bitch, complain, and hope for something you know will never come. Kinda like a religious person refusing to accept reality.

I really do find it hilarious that you know the thing you wish most for will never and can never come true. You constructed your whole persona around something that isn't there. That's an impressive feat.

What is it you think I'm fighting for? There is no overarching libertarian philosophy or world view. That's pretty much the whole point. Freedom. Freedom in thought, and freedom in outcomes. Everyone has different ideas, and different expectations. The only unifying factor we have is a desire to remain as free as possible. And you mock that? For someone so young to give up on the world already is pathetic.

Who said I'm giving up on the world? I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments, and ideas. With a lot of success it seems.

I also find it funny how you fail at trying to argue political science terms, and theories with me. It's funny because you are convinced you know what you are talking about every time and always end up flaming me in frustration.

I'm about to play Crusader Kings 2. Too bad the Steam overlay doesn't work

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Your response is to bitch, complain, and hope for something you know will never come. Kinda like a religious person refusing to accept reality.

I really do find it hilarious that you know the thing you wish most for will never and can never come true. You constructed your whole persona around something that isn't there. That's an impressive feat.

What is it you think I'm fighting for? There is no overarching libertarian philosophy or world view. That's pretty much the whole point. Freedom. Freedom in thought, and freedom in outcomes. Everyone has different ideas, and different expectations. The only unifying factor we have is a desire to remain as free as possible. And you mock that? For someone so young to give up on the world already is pathetic.

Who said I'm giving up on the world? I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments, and ideas. With a lot of success it seems.

I also find it funny how you fail at trying to argue political science terms, and theories with me. It's funny because you are convinced you know what you are talking about every time and always end up flaming me in frustration.

I flame you because you deserve nothing better, child.

Superior Mind wrote:

What are you buying/not buying?

As inconsequential as my vote is, I get to vote against Nanny Bloomberg in every election. I get to vote for the candidate that I feel will do less to destroy civil and economic liberty. It's a delaying action, akin to rearguard tactics of old. As for my wallet, as soon as I pass the license test, I'll be taking it to New Hampshire with me where there is no income or sales tax.