It is true. You do pick up more skills doing a degree in any field than you do sitting on a base In Kabul playing video games, lifting weights, drinking, and praying your wife or girlfriend isn't cheating on you with someone who didn't sell their soul to the military.
did your girlfriend leave you for a vet or something?Macbeth wrote:
It is true. You do pick up more skills doing a degree in any field than you do sitting on a base In Kabul playing video games, lifting weights, drinking, and praying your wife or girlfriend isn't cheating on you with someone who didn't sell their soul to the military.
hah college grads have "more skills" than a vet. get real macbeth.
They get paid less, too.
If vets were so much more skilled than college grads than why is the college grad unemployment rate less than half of that of the veteran's? Shouldn't people be clamoring for veterans instead of taking pity on them by giving them jobs just because they spent time defending America's empire? Everyone agrees you come out of the military with barely any skills. Even the vets admit this while they beg because they "SERVED THEIR COUNTRY "
Thread summary:
1) There's a shit load of vets who just sat on their ass doing nothing when they could have been studying.
2) Macbeth wants a job at Walmart but can't get in on the vets program.
3) Walmart wants good PR to counter their bad. What better way to pander to their MURICA base?
4) Catherine Black.
1) There's a shit load of vets who just sat on their ass doing nothing when they could have been studying.
2) Macbeth wants a job at Walmart but can't get in on the vets program.
3) Walmart wants good PR to counter their bad. What better way to pander to their MURICA base?
4) Catherine Black.
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5) Ponies.
It should keep them off the streets and out of the dole queues I guess.
(Veterans, not ponies)
(Veterans, not ponies)
Fuck Israel
Any points after five, ie. >5 = Rugers.Adams_BJ wrote:
5) Ponies.
Five points from Gryffindor.
And now, back to griping about veterans' benefits with your host: Macbeth!
And now, back to griping about veterans' benefits with your host: Macbeth!
ITT: Macbeth being a sociopath!
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
Mac, with a ~70% turnover rate for it's employees in the first year I'm sure you can obtain employment there next year. Take your degree with you, I hear the standards at Walmart have gone up with the hiring of veterans. Walmart employs many humanity, social science and art majors so you won't feel too alone.
many "humanity" majors? lol.13/f/taiwan wrote:
Mac, with a ~70% turnover rate for it's employees in the first year I'm sure you can obtain employment there next year. Take your degree with you, I hear the standards at Walmart have gone up with the hiring of veterans. Walmart employs many humanity, social science and art majors so you won't feel too alone.
i would almost say it's good to see you posting again, but then when you post you come across like an aspie retard.
aren't you doing a "humanity" degree at a shitty community college?
I've read enough post by people who seem to know what they're talking about to know how worthless anything but a degree in natural science or engineering is. No one successful in life has ever come from a humanities background. Engineers on the other hand...
i guess that is kinda hard to refute... i'm stumped
Your eng lit degree is from a top institution is very different from someone whos taking it from university of online piece of shit.aynrandroolz wrote:
i guess that is kinda hard to refute... i'm stumped
institutions that give out the degree matters as much as the degree itself.
Post of the day...13/f/taiwan wrote:
No one successful in life has ever come from a humanities background.
did you get le trolledunnamednewbie13 wrote:
Post of the day...13/f/taiwan wrote:
No one successful in life has ever come from a humanities background.
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here's the order of importance for general graduate-level jobs (i.e. not vocationally-specific or in a specialized industry):Cybargs wrote:
Your eng lit degree is from a top institution is very different from someone whos taking it from university of online piece of shit.aynrandroolz wrote:
i guess that is kinda hard to refute... i'm stumped
institutions that give out the degree matters as much as the degree itself.
the institution itself and its reputation with employers / ranking (not necessarily the same thing; perception is not always factual, graduate employers care a lot less about yearly ranking fluctuations than you may imagine).
your grade/level of achievement (in the uk, the class-honors system; in the us, the cum laude system afaik).
your subject (according to the hierarchy of 'traditional' subjects).
even though taiwan was being facetious, it has been gone over time and time again: the grad workplace is not some scientific haven. if you want to get into a corporate job, there are just as many strategy/human resources/management-type positions as there are number-crunchers that will require maths/science backgrounds. if you're applying for a generic grad-scheme (or 'fast-track') with any of the major companies, your actual subject will matter a lot less than WHERE you went and at what level you achieved/proved yourself. pricewaterhouse do not recruit more physics grads than geography grads, for instance (although they go into two different branches of the company, sure enough).
although saying this, of more importance than any of this quasi-quantitative bullshit is matter-of-factly WHO you know. similarly, on the social side of things, a really strong candidate-interview or a particularly persuasive application statement could swing it. none of the 'empirical' fact-stat based stuff is going to consign you definitely. once you've got your foot on the bottom-rung and have been in grad-level employment for ~5 years or so, your university and your degree-grade and your subject will be distant irrelevancies. and of course, there's always postgraduate qualifications in broad-research areas or vocationally/industry-specific areas that will further make your original degree a redundant detail.
tl;dr: go to a top uni and do a subject that is considered hard. you'll make it somewhere. the engineering profession isn't missing any lit or philosophy grads, sure, but they have their own cushty middle-class havens (mostly law and things like journo/publishing). plus they get to fuck a whole lot more women. which i think neatly closes this debate.
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Erm no.
Companies these days really don't take on 'management trainees' in anything like the numbers they used to. Whole tiers of management have been scythed out of companies, the pyramid is very flat and if you don't have some technical skill to get your foot through the door and into a graduate role then the number of openings available is very very small.
For anything technical or mathematical - including finance related areas - the degree subject is far and away the most important factor. You're not going to get a financial role with a degree in sociology from Cambridge wheareas you're in with a shout if you did something maths based from Bristol.
For non-technical roles companies still prefer technical graduates, because the subjects just are more rigourous and cover a wider range of subjects. Bad luck if you won't accept that, thats what the companies say and thats how they recruit.
After that it doesn't matter so much if you did Maths, Physics, Aeronautical etc, providing its from a moderately respectable institution.
Companies these days really don't take on 'management trainees' in anything like the numbers they used to. Whole tiers of management have been scythed out of companies, the pyramid is very flat and if you don't have some technical skill to get your foot through the door and into a graduate role then the number of openings available is very very small.
For anything technical or mathematical - including finance related areas - the degree subject is far and away the most important factor. You're not going to get a financial role with a degree in sociology from Cambridge wheareas you're in with a shout if you did something maths based from Bristol.
For non-technical roles companies still prefer technical graduates, because the subjects just are more rigourous and cover a wider range of subjects. Bad luck if you won't accept that, thats what the companies say and thats how they recruit.
After that it doesn't matter so much if you did Maths, Physics, Aeronautical etc, providing its from a moderately respectable institution.
Fuck Israel
What about the veterans who have already been to college and have had a multitude of jobs before they joined the military?Mac wrote:
Your typical college student is more qualified for any job than some veteran who spent 4 years living on some base in the middle east all expenses paid.
Baba Booey
Few and far between.
Yeah, what the fuck would I know.
Baba Booey
don't feed the troll1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Yeah, what the fuck would I know.
I don't think so? But what about JRR Tolkien--wait, he was a veteran. Nevermind.Mutantbear wrote:
did you get le trolledunnamednewbie13 wrote:
Post of the day...13/f/taiwan wrote:
No one successful in life has ever come from a humanities background.
lol this guy again. cynically pointing out that the future of graduate employment in the west has been 'scythed' down and freed of his arch-nemeses', the 'bullshitters' from humanities... but then optimistically keeping his own future rosy, not predicting at all that just as many jobs are being 'scythed' (or rather, 'outsourced') to STEM graduates from up-and-coming countries. maths, physics, medicine... these are universal languages. enter the global jobplace. enter the wage competition. a large proportion of STEM graduates in the british public sector are "not from round 'ere". i find it funny that in this modern workplace you predict the death of the supposedly 'soft-skilled' humanities grad, who can never acquire any sort of vocational experience or 'technical skill', but then assume the western scientist patrician elite are going to hold on, forever. newsflash: a large proportion of the science/engineering places at top universities in the west are taken by foreign students. looks like the structural shift isn't only affecting the humanities, eh?Dilbert_X wrote:
Erm no. .
but whatever, listen to the hyper-talented and successful grad that still lives at home in his 40's, and migrated out to another country latched on the back of his parent's shell. i'm sure you must have been having an illustrious career in the UK, with your degree and the incredible lifestyle it brings, if you left it all behind just because your mama and pater changed plans i bet you tell yourself how successful you are every day, chanting it rhythmically under your breath, when mummy calls down to you in the basement that "meatloaf is ready!"
anyway, point being, which you hardly challenged: get a good degree from a good uni and you'll find a decent enough job. there are no 'blacklisted' faculties - the dreaded humanities - which will doom you to a life of misery. it's pointless hot air to say otherwise. regardless of potential salaries, most 'respectable' subjects from 'respectable' unis lead into some form of 'respectable' graduate career - which should bring all the potential fulfillment and happiness and self-realization etc.etc. that you went to uni for in the first place. wonderful. i don't think a humanities grad working in publishing, obviously doing something suited to their interests and passions, is ever worrying much about the salary of an engineer. the science types - predictable materialists - keep telling themselves that though, when they queue up for soul-crushing accountancy and auditing work at the office.
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