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2013-05-07 18:52:54
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

i just said it's funny you visit liveleak. the views you espouse here are like a slightly diluted version of the all-out crazy people find there. you remind me of Lowing. there's a thing that fancy college-educated kids learn about sometimes called 'virtual balkanization'. basically it's a fancy term to describe how most internet users tend to agglomerate and cluster a certain list of frequently-visited sites/bookmarks, that perfectly encapsulates and compliments their world-view. 'balkanization'. you get your news from right-wing source a, spend your free time chatting shit with right-wing friends b, watch videos curated on loony racist-site c, come and post/debate with your opinions on sheltered site d, etc. (the 'you' there being impersonal, not actually accusing YOU). but yeah, that's all i'm laughing at. you clearly have a good memory of videos posted on a website that has a special flavour. it's just an observation. there is no need to be upset.
That's fantastic.  Virtual balkanization is very intriguing.  However, there is another term that I'm looking at here and that is "guilt by association" and "assumption".

Just for kicks, here is my bookmark quickbar in no particular order:

CNN
FOX News
BBC Worldwide
Wikipedia
Yahoo
Liveleak
Youtube
Facebook
Imgur
Entensity
Cracked


Virtual balkanization at it's finest.



But I digress.  Hurting animals for fun is bad, hurting animals for food is good.
2013-05-07 18:58:08
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
again, i said i'm not accusing you. it was a simple comment, being facetious - quote saying "it's funny" you mention liveleak. you visiting liveleak compliments the persona/posting style you have cultivated here. it was a simple remark. you really don't need to analyze it or dwell on it. yes, liveleak is full of crazy. yes, you can see lots of animal abuse on there. the comments are just the icing on a very rancid cake.
2013-05-07 18:58:20
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|6085
@extra, you just gave me an idea for a thread.

Last edited by 13/f/taiwan (2013-05-07 18:58:51)

2013-05-07 19:02:32
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

trust you to be a liveleaker.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

lol as if i was talking about some liberal conspiracy to suppress the 'truth in the media'. liveleak has a bad rep because it's just a rebranded ogrish. and ogrish in the early days of the internet (rip) was where all the worst sorts of rednecks, xenophobes, bigots and hate-speechers went to fap over terrorist beheading videos or war porn. if you want to watch gory videos, that's your prerogative. people hate on liveleak though because the community - if you can call it that - are all just the dumbest piece of shit racists you will ever see. look in the comments for that horse video: i'm willing to bet within 10 comments there will be something about gays/muslims/liberals/blacks/women.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

you, of all bf2s'ers posters (if we are to apply crude stereotypes), visits liveleak. it doesn't injure your credibility at all, it only bolsters the view most people already had of you. visiting liveleak doesn't change anything. you still have the same opinions.
You were saying something about how it wasn't personal?

Last edited by Extra Medium (2013-05-07 19:04:34)

2013-05-07 19:06:20
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
first post is talking entirely about liveleak. second post mentions how you visiting liveleak doesn't hurt your credibility at all. really fail to see how either of those quotations "make it personal". i just said it's funny that this forums most right wing, "fuck you liberals", pro-gun etc. guy visits liveleak - a site for anti-liberal, pro-gun, violence/gore videos. personal? you have very sensitive skin for a redneck.

@extra, you just gave me an idea for a thread.
inb4 post-your-bookmarks thread.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-07 19:06:37)

2013-05-07 19:15:27
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5564|Sydney
A friend is passionate about animal liberation. First time I met her I was wearing a leather jacket

She's completely vegan and feels very strongly about it but does not make it everyone's business. She will campaign for it the same way others bands market their merch; you're aware of it but it certainly isn't pushed upon you like a religion and it's very upfront what the intention is. She gathers petitions etc. to lobby for better treatment of animals that are bred for human consumption. AFAIK if you were to breed your own animals for food, whilst she doesn't agree with it she believes this is somewhat acceptable because they weren't bred into an environment where they are kept in a cage their whole life, pumped full of hormones to grow faster and fed terrible diets only to be dragged out and sold to Indonesia where their practices for killing animals is cruel and unnecessary. In this I find merit, though I don't think I would ever become a vegan.
2013-05-07 19:43:19
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7071|United States of America
I find it odd how some animal-rights (and also anti-abortion people, oddly) rely on the gross-out method to convince people that they are right. Of course a slaughterhouse isn't going to be a terrible nice place for those with weak stomachs. Of course an aborted fetus is on it's way to looking human (though to be fair, even birthed babies are pretty disgusting). It's a poor substitute for actual arguments.
2013-05-07 20:22:59
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7076|Tampa Bay Florida
My thoughts :

Factory farming is pretty disgusting, to the point of being unnatural.  Hopefully down the line we will be able to breed animals with their brains removed, so we'll really just be growing body parts, not animals.  I think they've already made and tested laboratory grown beef and chickens. 

As far as hunting goes, I think if you eat it and use the whole body then I don't really see the problem with it.  Especially if you live in Alaska.  But if you're a city dweller who just likes to go kill things for the thrill of it, thats kind of weird.
2013-05-07 20:27:45
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7076|Tampa Bay Florida


Mental disorder or did they just need something to replace black people?
2013-05-07 20:42:39
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640

DesertFox- wrote:

I find it odd how some animal-rights (and also anti-abortion people, oddly) rely on the gross-out method to convince people that they are right. Of course a slaughterhouse isn't going to be a terrible nice place for those with weak stomachs. Of course an aborted fetus is on it's way to looking human (though to be fair, even birthed babies are pretty disgusting). It's a poor substitute for actual arguments.
one of my earliest childhood memories was being awoken in the middle of the night by very loud noises and a lot of smoke/sirens. where i grew up in the countryside there was basically a lot of big houses, open spaces, and a slaughter-house (odd mix i know, though i never realized as a kid what the large building at the end of the lane was for). some activists had set it on fire in the night, anyway. that is distinctly one of my earliest memories. the other was considering eating the pebbles on my driveway. real world facts: uzique.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-07 20:43:22)

2013-05-07 20:45:25
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640

Spearhead wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVlxT_x-f0

Mental disorder or did they just need something to replace black people?
so much misery and poisonous human behavior... for something that looks so stupid and dumb. at least foie gras tastes good.
2013-05-07 22:38:06
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,055|7008|Little Bentcock

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

I find it odd how some animal-rights (and also anti-abortion people, oddly) rely on the gross-out method to convince people that they are right. Of course a slaughterhouse isn't going to be a terrible nice place for those with weak stomachs. Of course an aborted fetus is on it's way to looking human (though to be fair, even birthed babies are pretty disgusting). It's a poor substitute for actual arguments.
one of my earliest childhood memories was being awoken in the middle of the night by very loud noises and a lot of smoke/sirens. where i grew up in the countryside there was basically a lot of big houses, open spaces, and a slaughter-house (odd mix i know, though i never realized as a kid what the large building at the end of the lane was for). some activists had set it on fire in the night, anyway. that is distinctly one of my earliest memories. the other was considering eating the pebbles on my driveway. real world facts: uzique.
one of my earliest memories was squishing ants on a picnic table and eating them.
2013-05-08 01:46:11
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,068|7158|PNW

Spearhead wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVlxT_x-f0

Mental disorder or did they just need something to replace black people?
Just as retarded as the vast majority of rodeo events. Maybe the HSUS could do more to combat this sort of thing if their donation money didn't disappear into a black hole.
2013-05-08 06:54:50
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma
On the topic of slaughterhouses and factory farming:

Remember that these methods are akin to mass production farming that is also unpopular where farmers and scientists use genetically enhanced seeds and industrial fertilizers and pesticides and the such.  While unpopular, they are completely necessary.   Organic farming and "organic" meat, i.e. free range etc, are noble concepts and if you can do it good for you.  However, the fact is that the food supply for the world cannot be maintained by these methods and leading economist, scientists and other generally smart people have overwhelmingly agreed that 1/3rd to 1/5th of the worlds population would starve to death if these methods where used exclusively.

So, you decide which 1/5th of the population of the world you want to starve to death and YOU can go tell them that they and their families WILL starve to death because we don't want to be mean to chickens and cows and we don't want to eat trace amounts of pesticides on our caeser salads.
2013-05-08 07:05:01
Uzique The Lesser
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just because we need mass agri/farm, doesn't mean it has to be an ethical black-hole that keeps its animals its misery.

complete false dichotomy.

the problem is that the profit motive and sheer scale of this work lets standards slip, in a major way. treating animals humanely costs money.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-08 07:07:23)

2013-05-08 07:09:10
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

just because we need mass agri/farm, doesn't mean it has to be an ethical black-hole that keeps its animals its misery.

complete false dichotomy.

the problem is that the profit motive and sheer scale of this work lets standards slip, in a major way.
How else do you propose that we do it then.  Would you like to triple the amount of farm land so animals can move around more?  Would like to pump animals full of anesthetic chemicals before we kill them so it isn't so unpleasant?  Is this better or worse than the injection of hormones and antibiotics?
2013-05-08 07:11:30
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
i'm not sure how you reach the bizarre conclusion that the only way to make industrial farming more 'humane' is to spend millions injecting animals with anesthetic.
2013-05-08 07:13:26
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7125|Toronto | Canada

Your research is a little outdated actually.

More recent studies have shown that GMOs are most certainly needed for future growth of the human population, but organic farming is superior to conventional farming in almost every way.  Organic farming is simply a technique for farming.  Organic farming techniques have consistently shown increased output using the same amount of land as conventional farming, but with significantly decreased energy usage and waste.

The best solution would be GMO seeds and eventually animals using organic techniques, but that's still a little ways away for the general public to accept.

e: I really recommend Thompson's Agro-Technology or McKibben's Deep Economy for more into this kind of stuff

Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2013-05-08 07:15:21)

2013-05-08 07:16:46
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

i'm not sure how you reach the bizarre conclusion that the only way to make industrial farming more 'humane' is to spend millions injecting animals with anesthetic.
A lot of people take offense that animals are stuck in small cages 24 hours a day and hence the "free range" movement.

A lot of people take offense that animals are in distress at the slaughterhouse before they are killed and also that the method of death is not always instant and is sometimes a long and painful event. 

Also, I did not conclude that, I suggested it as an option for you to consider.  You reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired.
2013-05-08 07:17:04
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
i also do think a lot can be done on the dietary ends of humans/families themselves. i'm not pro-vegetarian or anything, but people generally do eat way too much red meat on a weekly basis to be healthy/get any nutritional benefit. i know 'freedom' and all that, but really something does have to give. our consumption habits have mostly been hijacked by industries and fast-food chains that promote a lifestyle of consumption that is not maintainable. a lot of people who live outside of major metro hubs can also very ably keep their own small vegetable/crop patches. people in the countryside should be encouraged to keep a small-store of farmyard animals, too, if possible. there are many steps we can take beyond simply getting everyone to rely on industrially-produced, supermarket-line, shrink-wrapped consumption. the problem is it's 'inconvenient' for our modern lifestyles. the bigger problem is it's not profitable to mega corps. these are obstacles to change.
2013-05-08 07:39:24
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

i also do think a lot can be done on the dietary ends of humans/families themselves. i'm not pro-vegetarian or anything, but people generally do eat way too much red meat on a weekly basis to be healthy/get any nutritional benefit. i know 'freedom' and all that, but really something does have to give. our consumption habits have mostly been hijacked by industries and fast-food chains that promote a lifestyle of consumption that is not maintainable. a lot of people who live outside of major metro hubs can also very ably keep their own small vegetable/crop patches. people in the countryside should be encouraged to keep a small-store of farmyard animals, too, if possible. there are many steps we can take beyond simply getting everyone to rely on industrially-produced, supermarket-line, shrink-wrapped consumption. the problem is it's 'inconvenient' for our modern lifestyles. the bigger problem is it's not profitable to mega corps. these are obstacles to change.
That would imply that everyone in an urban setting has a) a place to make a small garden, b) the skills to plant and grow food c) a climate that cooperates and d) enough "give a shit" to do it.


The whole idea is a pipe dream.  Mass production farming and ranching is the only logical conclusion for food production for the masses in the future.
2013-05-08 07:58:13
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
did you diss me for reading comprehension and then miss the part of my post where i said "people outside of major metro hubs"? please tell me you didn't just do that. self-sustainability and giving up on a culture of convenience/instant satisfaction is not a "pipe dream". people lived that way for thousands of years.
2013-05-08 08:19:15
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THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

did you diss me for reading comprehension and then miss the part of my post where i said "people outside of major metro hubs"? please tell me you didn't just do that. self-sustainability and giving up on a culture of convenience/instant satisfaction is not a "pipe dream". people lived that way for thousands of years.
People lived like that for thousands of years because there was 1/6th the population on Earth then and they had no means for mass food production.
2013-05-08 08:23:40
Uzique The Lesser
Banned
+382|4640
the point is it's not impossible for people who have a little bit of green-space to grow some fucking vegetables. it's not beyond the ken of most able-bodied human beings. i'm not suggesting everyone go and plough a hectare and grow their own rapeseed for oil. i'm suggesting having a 2 metre squared vegetable patch.  i'm talking about planting an apple tree. i'm talking about having a few tomato plants. whatever your local soil/climate can sustain, with minimal effort, really. maybe if one in 20 families in the countryside/suburbs decided to keep chickens, they could provide for their local community. small things like this. anything to take away the lazy effects of mass-produced, supermarket-sourced everything. it's bad for local economies and its bad for the environment. not to even mention the grey and thorny area of mass farm/industrial agri's animal ethics.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-08 08:25:20)

2013-05-08 08:43:08
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7071|United States of America

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Your research is a little outdated actually.

More recent studies have shown that GMOs are most certainly needed for future growth of the human population, but organic farming is superior to conventional farming in almost every way.  Organic farming is simply a technique for farming.  Organic farming techniques have consistently shown increased output using the same amount of land as conventional farming, but with significantly decreased energy usage and waste.

The best solution would be GMO seeds and eventually animals using organic techniques, but that's still a little ways away for the general public to accept.

e: I really recommend Thompson's Agro-Technology or McKibben's Deep Economy for more into this kind of stuff
Are you sure you don't have that backwards? Organic yields are on average lower than those that use GMOs/other chemicals to grow, and they require a lot more energy input to acheive that, but aren't proven to be any healthier for you either.

 

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