I almost agreed with you before this Mac. I don't really care much for some areas of the animal rights movement, but it is very fucked up to do something like in those puppy throwing videos. You make it sound like you don't like killing animals because if they die you'll not reach orgasm.
People also get upset when they see two gay people kissing in public. Because it makes people feel uncomfortable isn't a good argument. The logical conclusion of this would be banning gay people from kissing in public since it upsets people. I think a man beating his dog in public is the social equivalent of gay people kissing. It doesn't affect anyone else beyond their feelings.
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I almost agreed with you before this Mac. I don't really care much for some areas of the animal rights movement, but it is very fucked up to do something like in those puppy throwing videos. You make it sound like you don't like killing animals because if they die you'll not reach orgasm.
I don't kill animals because I have compassion for them. I have more compassion for animals than most of the people arguing with me since I like said I refuse to kill bugs.
Are you like one of those Jainist Indians who wear face masks and go around with a broom because you don't want to step on micro scopic bugs when youre outside?
No. I can't help it if I kill one by accident. But I make the conscious decision to not hurt any.
How can you claim to have compassion for them while not having a problem with someone torturing/neglecting the shit out of them? Compassion isn't "well, I'm not going to kill them, but it's fine if someone else does". It's something almost universally considered wrong. It's not like a gay couple kissing form of uncomfortable either. It's more of a guy attempting to rape another unconsenting guy sort of uncomfortable.
overly distressing an animal is wrong.
What do you think they eat in the winter dumbass? There is a reason ranchers have to haul in hay and feed them sack grains in the winter. How little you know about literally anything about this subject makes me wonder why you even bother posting in this thread.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
cows have to "rummage, roam and hunt around for edible food" nowadays? that's funny. last time i checked, they ate grass.
Yes, yes, lets post some beautiful springtime pictures to twist the obvious message. Perhaps you can take this comment out of context.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
observe the harsh and unforgiving environment that we save our cows from here in england/europe
thank god we're not abandoning them to have to roam, desperate and hungry, for suitable food.
Cows are really cute animals and one of my favorite.
I don't want to go to India but if I do I am petting all the cows.
I don't want to go to India but if I do I am petting all the cows.
The locals may attack you for doing so.Macbeth wrote:
Cows are really cute animals and one of my favorite.
I don't want to go to India but if I do I am petting all the cows.
I am, however, starting to wonder if most of the people in this thread are actually living in India.
Why would they attack me? People feed and take care of the free roaming cows.
There are so many things wrong with your viewpoint that I don't even know where to begin...Macbeth wrote:
And I'm saying that someone kicking a dog in an elevator (like someone went to jail for here also) isn't a thing that should concern anyone else. Someone tossing puppies from a car window should be stopped because it is littering and dangerous to other drivers. Beating your dog isn't an issue for anyone else but you and the dog. I don't care if society finds it cruel or wrong. It doesn't affect them, they should stay out of it.
But I'll try, with a question. Do you really put as much value on an animal's life as you would a discarded paper cup or a candy bar wrapper?
I dunno, don't they worship cows as gods over there? I'm sure someone would take offense to you touching a deity or ancestor or whatever ridiculous religious dogma it is they attach to them.Macbeth wrote:
Why would they attack me? People feed and take care of the free roaming cows.
That is a nasty stereotype. India is the #1 exporter of beef in the world. It is banned in many states there though. People view the cows as motherly and tied them to religion, yes. But people interact with them all the time.Extra Medium wrote:
I dunno, don't they worship cows as gods over there? I'm sure someone would take offense to you touching a deity or ancestor or whatever ridiculous religious dogma it is they attach to them.Macbeth wrote:
Why would they attack me? People feed and take care of the free roaming cows.
No obviously. But not enough of a value to punish a person for doing something to them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There are so many things wrong with your viewpoint that I don't even know where to begin...Macbeth wrote:
And I'm saying that someone kicking a dog in an elevator (like someone went to jail for here also) isn't a thing that should concern anyone else. Someone tossing puppies from a car window should be stopped because it is littering and dangerous to other drivers. Beating your dog isn't an issue for anyone else but you and the dog. I don't care if society finds it cruel or wrong. It doesn't affect them, they should stay out of it.
But I'll try, with a question. Do you really put as much value on an animal's life as you would a discarded paper cup or a candy bar wrapper?
#1 exporter? How unethical and wasteful of them.Macbeth wrote:
That is a nasty stereotype. India is the #1 exporter of beef in the world. It is banned in many states there though. People view the cows as motherly and tied them to religion, yes. But people interact with them all the time.Extra Medium wrote:
I dunno, don't they worship cows as gods over there? I'm sure someone would take offense to you touching a deity or ancestor or whatever ridiculous religious dogma it is they attach to them.Macbeth wrote:
Why would they attack me? People feed and take care of the free roaming cows.
Ohh....god.... Not even sure who to agree/disagree with. I think part of my brain just liquified.Macbeth wrote:
No obviously. But not enough of a value to punish a person for doing something to them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There are so many things wrong with your viewpoint that I don't even know where to begin...Macbeth wrote:
And I'm saying that someone kicking a dog in an elevator (like someone went to jail for here also) isn't a thing that should concern anyone else. Someone tossing puppies from a car window should be stopped because it is littering and dangerous to other drivers. Beating your dog isn't an issue for anyone else but you and the dog. I don't care if society finds it cruel or wrong. It doesn't affect them, they should stay out of it.
But I'll try, with a question. Do you really put as much value on an animal's life as you would a discarded paper cup or a candy bar wrapper?
Explain your "no, obviously," because I don't quite understand where you're coming from. If the two offenses are both merely littering, then how do you think one is different than the other?Macbeth wrote:
No obviously. But not enough of a value to punish a person for doing something to them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There are so many things wrong with your viewpoint that I don't even know where to begin...Macbeth wrote:
And I'm saying that someone kicking a dog in an elevator (like someone went to jail for here also) isn't a thing that should concern anyone else. Someone tossing puppies from a car window should be stopped because it is littering and dangerous to other drivers. Beating your dog isn't an issue for anyone else but you and the dog. I don't care if society finds it cruel or wrong. It doesn't affect them, they should stay out of it.
But I'll try, with a question. Do you really put as much value on an animal's life as you would a discarded paper cup or a candy bar wrapper?
Animals are obviously living things and have value. I'm not saying they don't. It is the reason I don't kill ants. I respect their life. I just don't believe people should be punished for hurting animals they own. If someone wants to kill an animal they own. Fine by me. You aren't hurting me and you own the thing. What right do I have to tell someone else they can't hurt something they own because I like how it looks? I have no right to tell others what they may do with their property as long as it isn't affecting or a danger to me.
So your stance is that people should be free to decide what they want to do with animals without society's intervention. I can understand that, but I don't think we could function as a society if legislation was that loose on things like behavior.
The picture I posted was from winterExtra Medium wrote:
What do you think they eat in the winter dumbass? There is a reason ranchers have to haul in hay and feed them sack grains in the winter. How little you know about literally anything about this subject makes me wonder why you even bother posting in this thread.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
cows have to "rummage, roam and hunt around for edible food" nowadays? that's funny. last time i checked, they ate grass.Yes, yes, lets post some beautiful springtime pictures to twist the obvious message. Perhaps you can take this comment out of context.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
observe the harsh and unforgiving environment that we save our cows from here in england/europe
thank god we're not abandoning them to have to roam, desperate and hungry, for suitable food.
Last time, I don't care what adult humans do to themselves - as long as they don't have an excessive adverse impact on anyone or anything else, including animals and the planet.Extra Meds wrote:
Good lord. So I erred in referring specifically to obesity but obesity falls under, and is one of the major (if not the biggest) factors in humans being unhealthy from consumption of food. Nitpick some more.
Lets try a thought experiment:
Which do you think is worse, in terms of cruelty and environmental damage:
A: People gorging themselves fat on sacks of potatoes grown within walking distance of where they live [ ]
B: People gorging themselves fat on sacks of lark tongues, when said larks have been fed on orchid nectar air-freighted daily from what used to be the Amazon jungle (not the internet company) [ ]
Or another:
A: People gorging themselves fat on sacks of potatoes grown within walking distance of where they live [ ]
B: People gorging themselves fat on corn-fed beef [ ]
Fuck Israel
You have no value.Macbeth wrote:
Animals are obviously living things and have value. I'm not saying they don't. It is the reason I don't kill ants. I respect their life. I just don't believe people should be punished for hurting animals they own. If someone wants to kill an animal they own. Fine by me. You aren't hurting me and you own the thing. What right do I have to tell someone else they can't hurt something they own because I like how it looks? I have no right to tell others what they may do with their property as long as it isn't affecting or a danger to me.
I'll kill you in the time and manner which I find amusing.
I'm white and you're not - bad luck.
Fuck Israel
what do european cows eat in the winter? it's simple: grass. "how little i know"? i grew up in the countryside. just because you're from hicksville and are so poorly educated that you had to actually work a manual job on a farm, doesn't mean you're the only person that knows how cows are kept, moron. it's not like the animals would suffer a mass extinction if it wasn't for our luxury spa resort industrial farms to keep them warm and cosy. completely stupid fucking argument.Extra Medium wrote:
What do you think they eat in the winter dumbass? There is a reason ranchers have to haul in hay and feed them sack grains in the winter. How little you know about literally anything about this subject makes me wonder why you even bother posting in this thread.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
cows have to "rummage, roam and hunt around for edible food" nowadays? that's funny. last time i checked, they ate grass.Yes, yes, lets post some beautiful springtime pictures to twist the obvious message. Perhaps you can take this comment out of context.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
observe the harsh and unforgiving environment that we save our cows from here in england/europe
thank god we're not abandoning them to have to roam, desperate and hungry, for suitable food.
what your argument is essentially saying is "without industrial farms, we couldn't keep millions of cows in the dustbowl". well, no shit. that's like making the argument that, without zoos, you couldn't keep warm-blooded reptiles in scandinavian countries. really stupid argument. if you're trying to raise cows in a terrain/climate that doesn't suit them, that doesn't justify the cruelty and conditions of industrial farming: it justifies moving the fucking cows.
wow this is up there as one of the dumbest arguments you have ever made.Macbeth wrote:
People also get upset when they see two gay people kissing in public. Because it makes people feel uncomfortable isn't a good argument. The logical conclusion of this would be banning gay people from kissing in public since it upsets people. I think a man beating his dog in public is the social equivalent of gay people kissing. It doesn't affect anyone else beyond their feelings.
beating a dog in public is the same as two men kissing? wow. i'm not sure if that betrays an absolute bottom-rate intellect, or some sort of veiled and repressed hate ideology. let me break this down for you:
man beating a dog: violent, aggressive, does actual physical -(and arguably, as a result, emotional-) harm. non-consensual.
gay men kissing: peaceful, friendly, does no harm of any sort, completely consensual and willing.
how is a man beating a dog anything like two gay men kissing? asides from ordinary laws that ban people from 'heavy petting' or 'public display', according to reasonable circumstances and specific locations - e.g. no dogging in the bushes, no hanky-panky in the swimming pool - i see almost no circumstances in which two human beings showing love and affection for one another can cause legal concern. a man beating the shit into his dog, in public, where everyone has to watch or hear the thing cry... oh yeah, completely comparable.
what i was going to say before was: all i can say is that if you committed your intellect and emotions to your actual studies and the matters of political science with as much tenacity and assiduity as you commit yourself to the cause of defending someone's right to beat the shit into their dog... well i would say you wouldn't be scraping by with a lackluster average in your studies. but judging from the quality of argument made above, even if you did care about latin american marxism as much as you care about a dog being dropkicked, you'd still be fucking failing. dumb. argument.