Should Sharia courts exist in the U.S. and U.K.

2013-05-27 11:49:36

#26

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5972

Jay wrote:
Macbeth, would you say that your governor is on welfare? What about your mayor? What about the guy that works in the Department of Public Works and oversees road construction and sewer maintenance and the like in your town? Are they dependent on the government to live? No? Neither are people who volunteer for the military. It's just a job and the government happens to sign the checks.

I must say that you've gotten dumber since you discovered drugs. It's sad.

They are dependent. Just not as much as you or most other grunts are/were. They chose to work for the government. You had no choice. That is welfare.

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2013-05-27 11:51:31

#27

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5744|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
Macbeth, would you say that your governor is on welfare? What about your mayor? What about the guy that works in the Department of Public Works and oversees road construction and sewer maintenance and the like in your town? Are they dependent on the government to live? No? Neither are people who volunteer for the military. It's just a job and the government happens to sign the checks.

I must say that you've gotten dumber since you discovered drugs. It's sad.
They are dependent. Just not as much as you or most other grunts are/were. They choose to work for the government. You had no choose. That is welfare.

You get so bitter and angry when you know you've lost an argument. Come on, say something that earns you another vacation. I know it's on the tip of your fingers...

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-05-27 11:54:06

#28

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5972

Who is bitter and angry? You tried to play Mr. self made man and call me a loser when we all know your history...

You shot first dingus.

2013-05-27 15:20:06

#29

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,068|7158|PNW

Should Sharia courts exist in the U.S. and U.K.

No.

To clarify, no: where it would take the place of either nation's justice, it should not be allowed. Where judgments would violate either nation's laws and civil liberties, it should not be allowed. The presumption of a special form of form independent justice granted by privilege to a religious group should be discouraged.

2013-05-27 15:24:19

#30

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

except that is never how sharia courts exist, and only the most nutty militant of extremists actually propose sharia law superceding/replacing the incumbent state powers.

2013-05-27 15:27:07

#31

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,068|7158|PNW

Anything they want to do that does not defy/replace/supercede either nation's laws and civil liberties, I am fine with.

2013-05-28 02:20:30

#32

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,820|6492|eXtreme to the maX

Macbeth wrote:
In the U.S. it was ruled that if both sides agreed a lawsuit case could be tried using Sharia law. Should this be okay?

Depends, you can't stop people coming to a private agreement.

I don't know the equivalent US laws but I would say UK laws, such as perverting the course of justice or interfering with a witness should be extended to include coercing or intimidating someone to give up their right to go to the state court or to force them to use some other 'court'.

An easy way out is to either pass a law or remind people that non-state 'courts' decisions carry no legal weight and are non-binding.

Jews and muslims seem to go in for this, and then there's the catholic church which is a law unto itself, they shouldn't get any special dispensation.

Fuck Israel

2013-05-28 20:11:34

#33

BVC: Member; +325|7081

People can voluntarily abide by sharia if they wish, and I guess it might be technically possible to include asepects of it in some legal contracts, though it would probably fall over if challenged.

I'm completely against sharia, on the grounds that it is anti-freedom, and is typically associated with fundies and extremists.

2013-05-28 21:05:50

#34

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7076|Tampa Bay Florida

Macbeth wrote:
Who is bitter and angry? You tried to play Mr. self made man and call me a loser when we all know your history...

You shot first dingus.

2013-05-29 01:25:50

#35

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7161|Moscow, Russia

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2013-05-29 01:39:02

#36

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5972

Spearhead wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Who is bitter and angry? You tried to play Mr. self made man and call me a loser when we all know your history...

You shot first dingus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMYktsKmSk

I hate surrealist humor.

2013-05-30 04:36:28

#37

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

Macbeth wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Who is bitter and angry? You tried to play Mr. self made man and call me a loser when we all know your history...

You shot first dingus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMYktsKmSk
I hate surrealist humor.

i hate people on the internet who misuse the term 'surrealist' in everyday parlance. that video had no surrealist elements.

2013-05-30 04:37:04

#38

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

Shahter wrote:

that's rich, coming from a russian. you lose how many countrymen to ww2? and now you're the biggest neo-nazi nation on earth? tolerant slavs.

2013-05-30 04:55:56

#39

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6539|what

you're thinking of greece.

2013-05-30 05:05:22

#40

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

AussieReaper wrote:
you're thinking of greece.

lol if you think greece's recent far-right media spotlight has anything on the scale of russia's racism... you might want to check some crime statistics. fyi the recent political turmoil in greece has produced just as many extremist anarchists/communists as it has fascists. russia however has an endemic race-crime problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia

In 2006, Amnesty International reported that racism in Russia was “out of control” and estimated the number of Russian neo-Nazis at around 85,000 in 2008.

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2013-05-30 05:11:37

#41

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6539|what

Winning 7% of the vote is a pretty damning statistic.

440 thousand votes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_%28Greece%29

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2013-05-30 05:20:26

#42

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

wow. did you just try to imply everyone who voted for the golden dawn are neo-nazis? or race-criminals? please tell me you didn't just do that. in times of economic/political hardship, a certain contingent (normally unemployed or frustrated workers) will be goaded into voting for the far-right reactionary option. these parties appeal to their economic plight. it does not mean they are all going out in jackboots stomping on heads.

the BNP received 563,743 votes in the 2010 general election. does that mean the UK has half a million 'neo-nazis'?

please tell me your reddit understanding of world politics is better than this, dave.

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2013-05-30 05:32:49

#43

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6539|what

Golden Dawn aren't simply the far right wing option. They are the furthest you can move towards the right without plowing off a cliff.

If it were simply a reactionary vote, you wouldn't see this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur … 85705.html

And I really hope you're not that simple in believing this is just a reactionary option and the voters don't really believe the party is Neo-Nazi.

Flags must just be a fucking coincidence, right?

2013-05-30 05:35:04

#44

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

i am literally facepalming that you think every person who voted for the golden dawn would be willing to commit a racist crime or aggravated assault. when i talk about russia's 'neo-nazis', i mean people who hang around in gangs actually beating up/stabbing/killing immigrants. the political movement in greece is an extreme reaction to an extreme situation, yes. by saying it is 'reactionary' i do not mean it is mild. it is extreme. but are they criminals? no. if they were genuine extremists/criminals, they would be having legal moves made against them.

also a far-right movement invoking the iconography of fascism/nazism is nothing new, nor nothing particularly that meaningful. aussie skinheads and the american KKK fly german SS banners. what does it all mean?!?!?!

2013-05-30 05:47:36

#45

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i am literally facepalming that you think every person who voted for the golden dawn would be willing to commit a racist crime or aggravated assault. when i talk about russia's 'neo-nazis', i mean people who hang around in gangs actually beating up/stabbing/killing immigrants. the political movement in greece is an extreme reaction to an extreme situation, yes. by saying it is 'reactionary' i do not mean it is mild. it is extreme. but are they criminals? no. if they were genuine extremists/criminals, they would be having legal moves made against them.

also a far-right movement invoking the iconography of fascism/nazism is nothing new, nor nothing particularly that meaningful. aussie skinheads and the american KKK fly german SS banners. what does it all mean?!?!?!

BUT UZIQUE!!! Everyone that lived in Germany from 1935-1945 is completely guilty of crimes against humanity and played an active roles all of the policies and doctrines of the Nazi regime!

DUH!

2013-05-30 06:06:11

#46

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

Extra Medium wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i am literally facepalming that you think every person who voted for the golden dawn would be willing to commit a racist crime or aggravated assault. when i talk about russia's 'neo-nazis', i mean people who hang around in gangs actually beating up/stabbing/killing immigrants. the political movement in greece is an extreme reaction to an extreme situation, yes. by saying it is 'reactionary' i do not mean it is mild. it is extreme. but are they criminals? no. if they were genuine extremists/criminals, they would be having legal moves made against them.

also a far-right movement invoking the iconography of fascism/nazism is nothing new, nor nothing particularly that meaningful. aussie skinheads and the american KKK fly german SS banners. what does it all mean?!?!?!
BUT UZIQUE!!! Everyone that lived in Germany from 1935-1945 is completely guilty of crimes against humanity and played an active roles all of the policies and doctrines of the Nazi regime!

DUH!

"everyone gets the war they deserve" - sartre.

2013-05-30 06:41:45

#47

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
Extra Medium wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i am literally facepalming that you think every person who voted for the golden dawn would be willing to commit a racist crime or aggravated assault. when i talk about russia's 'neo-nazis', i mean people who hang around in gangs actually beating up/stabbing/killing immigrants. the political movement in greece is an extreme reaction to an extreme situation, yes. by saying it is 'reactionary' i do not mean it is mild. it is extreme. but are they criminals? no. if they were genuine extremists/criminals, they would be having legal moves made against them.

also a far-right movement invoking the iconography of fascism/nazism is nothing new, nor nothing particularly that meaningful. aussie skinheads and the american KKK fly german SS banners. what does it all mean?!?!?!
BUT UZIQUE!!! Everyone that lived in Germany from 1935-1945 is completely guilty of crimes against humanity and played an active roles all of the policies and doctrines of the Nazi regime!

DUH!
"everyone gets the war they deserve" - sartre.

1776, 1812.

2013-05-30 06:51:35

#48

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

his quotation was made more in the context of mass-movements and politics, implying all french-people and german-people bear responsibility for the direction world war 2 went in. camus and sartre both philosophized in their existentialist tracts that anyone who was ultimately opposed and abhorred the events of ww2 always had the free rational choice to kill themselves (they meant this with deadly seriousness, not a sort of "just kys" comment).

but okay, turn it into some stupid patriotic point if you will. those wars didn't really have anything to do with mass politics or opinion, though. not in the same way that fascism represented the will of some mass of people. aristocrats sending the young and poor to die is not something you could say "everyone deserves".

kinda surprised an okie doesn't understand his sartre tbh.

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2013-05-30 09:08:18

#49

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4581|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
his quotation was made more in the context of mass-movements and politics, implying all french-people and german-people bear responsibility for the direction world war 2 went in. camus and sartre both philosophized in their existentialist tracts that anyone who was ultimately opposed and abhorred the events of ww2 always had the free rational choice to kill themselves (they meant this with deadly seriousness, not a sort of "just kys" comment).

but okay, turn it into some stupid patriotic point if you will. those wars didn't really have anything to do with mass politics or opinion, though. not in the same way that fascism represented the will of some mass of people. aristocrats sending the young and poor to die is not something you could say "everyone deserves".

kinda surprised an okie doesn't understand his sartre tbh.

Are you implying that the American Revolution didn't have anything to do with mass politics or mass opinion? Are you also implying that Britain didn't deserve to lose the colonies? Was the uprising not the will of the mass of the colonists? Did British aristocrats not send many young soldiers across an ocean to die for what came down to enforcing taxes and preserving British control over the resources of the colonies?

2013-05-30 10:41:25

#50

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4640

i don't think you understand the quotation. that's fine. no i am not saying "britain didn't deserve to lose the colonies". i don't care about 'losing the colonies'. i'm not sure anyone in britain cares. the quotation was about world war 2. very different political situation and ideology at work than a nation trying to find independence during the age of empire.

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