BF2S Forums You be the judge! Trayvon Martin vs George Zimmerman

Ah....because of a "King".

Clever girl

Trayvon had exquisite taste in women, that's for damn sure.  That girl was uptown as fuck.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So why hasn't he been found innocent yet?
Justice certainly moves slowly when you have to go through trials and such.

http://news.yahoo.com/neighbor-testifie … 41374.html

From how the eye witnesses of the fight are testifying on how the fight went down, it's looking more and more like Zimmerman is going to walk.



Anyone want to take bets on the previous argument about a race riot happening after a verdict of innocent?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Blacks riot all the time, you can hardly claim cause and effect.

If they are rioting as a direct result of a verdict you can.  LA Riots ring a bell?

According to official statistics, 2/3's of the rioters were black and the other 1/3 were Hispanic.  The Hispanics became involved after many of the businesses that were looted belonged to Hispanic owners and also after many Hispanics in the South Central neighborhood had been killed or hospitalized.  Much of the participation was infighting between the Blacks and Hispanics as South Central (where the vast majority of the rioting occurred) is split nearly down the middle between Blacks and Hispanics and cultural and racial divides had existed for years, eventually boiling over during the riots.

So no, blacks weren't the only ones, it was 2/3 black, 1/3 Hispanic.


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$20 says he doesn't debate the arguments and calls me a name or some stupid shit.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

people of all colours riot. people of all creeds riot. all religions. all nationalities. you are looking at the wrong surface characteristic of the people. people riot primarily because of perceived economic or legal iniquity. they riot because they perceive state oppression or a lack of state/authority legitimacy. they do not riot because "they are black". that's the sort of stupid "blacks have a violent gene" shit that dilbert comes out with from his race-spooked momma's basement.

I agree with what you are saying.  Please understand what I am saying.  In America in the past 50 years the vast majority of riots have been a direct result of this specific race.  This is a fact.  I understand that any race is capable of rioting, but again, in America, in the past 50 years, blacks have rioted more than everyone else combined and then some.  The Zimmerman case is exactly the type of flash point that causes them.  Don't be surprised if it happens again if the verdict goes against their common interest.

Is that politically correct enough for you guys?  I really hate to come off as a racist while citing physical, readily available and factual evidence.

I guess its just a coincidence that the race that riots the most is the only one to have been enslaved and in modern times is the closest thing we have to a permanent underclass.  Must be their DNA or cranial structure.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

no it's not about 'political correctness'. it's about having one iota of analytical sense to see why they're all black. it's because black people in america, "over the past 50 years", have traditionally been the subaltern group and culture. i.e. the dudes who are poor. i.e. the dudes who suffer legal discrimination. i.e. the dudes who are oppressed, ex- or im- plicitly. it's not a 'black culture' thing. there's not a religious festival of rioting. it's not a genetic predilection. it's not biologically determined. all that 'determines' that pattern is the fact that black people in america, historically, do not have an even playing field. it's called analysis. rather than looking at a surface signifier (e.g. skin colour) and inferring fallacious arguments.

Yeah?  So where are all the Latino riots?  They are the poorest of the poor.  They are the one minority that has the most members in direct threat of being deported EVERY DAY.  They work the hardest, shittiest jobs and get the least gratitude and pay for it.  They have some of the worst legal representation, mainly because most cannot afford decent representation and because they don't have Latino Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons backing them.

Guess what they do when they have troubles.  They have peaceful protests and rallies. 

And how the hell do you even begin to say blacks don't have an even playing field?  They are the one racial group that can unilaterally raise hell when someone wrongs them.  People lose their jobs and careers when they cross them.  Shit like Affirmative Action gets enacted to help them.  They have access to more scholarships, grants, and programs to help further them.  They have members of their race who's sole job is to destroy people who do ANYTHING to detriment them.  They have organizations like the NAACP to help them.  They have their own history month and TV channel for fucks sake.  When is Hispanic history month?  Where is the Hispanic entertainment channel?  Where is the United Hispanic College Fund?  Where is the Hispanic Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?  When was the last time you saw a comedian, a DJ, a TV host, or a newspaper editor fired and raked over the coals publicly for calling someone a wetback?


You cannot tell me I'm singling this group of people out because of their disadvantages when there is a group of people in this country with twice as many problems and hurdles that is not even causing a fraction of the bullshit. 

Spearhead wrote:

I guess its just a coincidence that the race that riots the most is the only one to have been enslaved and in modern times is the closest thing we have to a permanent underclass.  Must be their DNA or cranial structure.

Permanent underclass is wrong on so many levels.  Hispanics are far lower on the overall spectrum.  They are fast becoming an overall majority yet still have the majority of people under the poverty line.  Also, fuck off with the slave bullshit, that is so fucking stupid it's hard to even type a rebuttal.  Here goes:  No African American alive today ever met a slave held by the South.  No AA alive today ever endured slavery by the South.  No AA alive today has even the slightest bit of an inkling of an iota of a shitty life as the best treated slave of the South.  WTF do they still have to be pissed about.  Maybe all the Irish people in New York should fucking ask City Hall for repatriations for the horrible treatment of the Irish in the 1800's?  Maybe all the Chinese should ask for back pay from the railroads in the 1800's?  See any Irish or Chinese people, pissed off about that stuff today?  Fuck no.  Why?  Because it's fucking stupid.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Jay wrote:

Let's give them government housing subsidies in government housing projects which create blight for miles around them since no one wants to open a business in a neighborhood that has such high concentrations of poor people which in turn makes it impossible for them or their children to ever leave the cycle of government dependency. Oh wait, liberals/progressives already created that mess.

where did i start talking about giant housing projects? all i'm saying is rioting isn't a 'blacks are violent' thing. rioting is a universal fact of life for any underclass. i didn't mention any sort of housing schemes. keep gurgling up your textbook babble though.

I was responding to spearhead.

You're right, it's not a race inherent thing, but it is a fact that poor black people in America tend to have more issues with, and less respect for, the law. Black culture doesn't differ all that much from Southern white trash culture. You know, the type that liberals bitch about constantly, the get off my lawn, god and guns and fuck the law type of culture. Well, when black people fled the south after the floods in the 1920s, they brought that with them, and the ones that remained poor never lost it. It just became amplified in their essentially walled off, urban ghettoes that supposedly well meaning people set up for them. So yes, poor black people are much more likely to riot here in America today, but it has everything to do with the fact that they have nothing to lose by doing so. They own nothing, their life is essentially transient, and they have no reason to obey the law except a fear of jailtime. No hope = no fear.

Jay wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Jay wrote:

Let's give them government housing subsidies in government housing projects which create blight for miles around them since no one wants to open a business in a neighborhood that has such high concentrations of poor people which in turn makes it impossible for them or their children to ever leave the cycle of government dependency. Oh wait, liberals/progressives already created that mess.

where did i start talking about giant housing projects? all i'm saying is rioting isn't a 'blacks are violent' thing. rioting is a universal fact of life for any underclass. i didn't mention any sort of housing schemes. keep gurgling up your textbook babble though.

I was responding to spearhead.

You're right, it's not a race inherent thing, but it is a fact that poor black people in America tend to have more issues with, and less respect for, the law. Black culture doesn't differ all that much from Southern white trash culture. You know, the type that liberals bitch about constantly, the get off my lawn, god and guns and fuck the law type of culture. Well, when black people fled the south after the floods in the 1920s, they brought that with them, and the ones that remained poor never lost it. It just became amplified in their essentially walled off, urban ghettoes that supposedly well meaning people set up for them. So yes, poor black people are much more likely to riot here in America today, but it has everything to do with the fact that they have nothing to lose by doing so. They own nothing, their life is essentially transient, and they have no reason to obey the law except a fear of jailtime. No hope = no fear.

and yet you'll talk disdainfully of any sort of progressive or liberal drive to improve social conditions or instate some form of government-structured incentive/welfare... you seem to delight in the "no hope" scenario. perfect randian logic, right? let the shit sink to the bottom and you'll emerge a well-dressed turd quoting all the right kipling lines.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Jay wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

where did i start talking about giant housing projects? all i'm saying is rioting isn't a 'blacks are violent' thing. rioting is a universal fact of life for any underclass. i didn't mention any sort of housing schemes. keep gurgling up your textbook babble though.

I was responding to spearhead.

You're right, it's not a race inherent thing, but it is a fact that poor black people in America tend to have more issues with, and less respect for, the law. Black culture doesn't differ all that much from Southern white trash culture. You know, the type that liberals bitch about constantly, the get off my lawn, god and guns and fuck the law type of culture. Well, when black people fled the south after the floods in the 1920s, they brought that with them, and the ones that remained poor never lost it. It just became amplified in their essentially walled off, urban ghettoes that supposedly well meaning people set up for them. So yes, poor black people are much more likely to riot here in America today, but it has everything to do with the fact that they have nothing to lose by doing so. They own nothing, their life is essentially transient, and they have no reason to obey the law except a fear of jailtime. No hope = no fear.

and yet you'll talk disdainfully of any sort of progressive or liberal drive to improve social conditions or instate some form of government-structured incentive/welfare... you seem to delight in the "no hope" scenario. perfect randian logic, right? let the shit sink to the bottom and you'll emerge a well-dressed turd quoting all the right kipling lines.

I talk disdainfully of progressive and liberal drives to improve social conditions because they have proven time and time again to do far more harm than good. Black people have undoubtedly gotten a raw deal in America, but meddling by well intentioned people has compounded the problems, not made them better. Their meddling created the urban blight zones that are nearly impossible to get out of. Their meddling created public housing and public housing subsidies that limit them to extremely poor neighborhoods. Their meddling created heavily restrictive zoning laws that are designed to protect the property values of the already well off and push poor people away. Their meddling created minimum wage laws that drove up the cost of living and prevented people from finding work and drove manufacturing and other kinds of labor overseas. Their meddling is now trying to kill charter schools in favor of terrible public schools because unions vote liberal.

Instead of getting the fuck out of the way and letting people empower themselves, they've played the paternal role and made people permanently dependent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They've created this hell.