Some fucker has key'd my car. x2 parallel lines along the drivers door. I'll fucking kill them - problem being is I havent a clue where to start
Nope. We have the best health care in the world, it's just more expensive, oh well.globefish23 wrote:
Sounds like the classic "if I can't have what you have, then it's probably crap anyway and I don't really need it" kindergarten scheme.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not our fault your civil servants are lazy and incompetent, or how having free healthcare makes anyone outside 'merica "a bunch of wankers". Its your problem and you should figure out how to deal with it, not bitch at anyone who points it out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And I already explained why.Cybargs wrote:
You guys still spend over double per GDP on what we do on health care. In fact, MORE of your taxes goes into health care per capita than ours.Jay wrote:
I'll write in short sentences so the foreigners can understand.
Americans do not like their government. Americans do not respect their civil servants because they are seen as lazy and incompetent. Americans therefor do not want their doctors to be civil servants on the government payroll. You keep talking about the money we'll save, but your taxes are double what ours are. I will happily trade higher health care costs to keep the tens of thousands of dollars in taxes I do not have to pay to live in your system. You're a bunch of wankers. The only foreigners I ever see bragging about their system are the young and the poor because they get a free ride (until they start working real jobs and discover how much paying taxes sucks). Excluding sales tax, my wife and I paid 23% in income taxes last year. That's already an unreasonably high rate. Fuck you for suggesting that I should be forced to pay more just so I can be as miserable as your own middle class workers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
If I were you jay, i'd just fly overseas for any major operations. That shits much cheaper even when you're paying out of pocket.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
yeah but youre paying 4x+ for the same treatment and same level of care, sure you can get teh best health care if you throw the price of a house at it. that's like saying you have the best education in the world except it costs 60k a year while rest of the world is paying 9k a year or some shit.Jay wrote:
Nope. We have the best health care in the world, it's just more expensive, oh well.globefish23 wrote:
Sounds like the classic "if I can't have what you have, then it's probably crap anyway and I don't really need it" kindergarten scheme.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not our fault your civil servants are lazy and incompetent, or how having free healthcare makes anyone outside 'merica "a bunch of wankers". Its your problem and you should figure out how to deal with it, not bitch at anyone who points it out.
How come Americans are all so fat then?Jay wrote:
Nope. We have the best health care in the world.
Fuck Israel
Jay - That healthcare better than UK's? How do you know?
because rich euros fly to america to pay for surgery.
Depends what you mean by 'better'.
Yes, top of the line US healthcare is better, for the average person top of the line is pretty well out of reach.
Better healthcare which is out of reach of most people? I don't see the value.
Yes, top of the line US healthcare is better, for the average person top of the line is pretty well out of reach.
Better healthcare which is out of reach of most people? I don't see the value.
Fuck Israel
NYU is better then my uni. but then again i have to pay 10x the cost.
I pay $2500/yr for insurance. I guarantee I would pay more than that in taxes if the government ran it.Cybargs wrote:
yeah but youre paying 4x+ for the same treatment and same level of care, sure you can get teh best health care if you throw the price of a house at it. that's like saying you have the best education in the world except it costs 60k a year while rest of the world is paying 9k a year or some shit.Jay wrote:
Nope. We have the best health care in the world, it's just more expensive, oh well.globefish23 wrote:
Sounds like the classic "if I can't have what you have, then it's probably crap anyway and I don't really need it" kindergarten scheme.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
If I lived in NSW my tax rate would be 35.75% or so. Add the VAT on top of that and we're talking about a lot of my time being wasted paying for other peoples Big Ideas.Adams_BJ wrote:
I don't get taxed very much though. And its certainly not 46% which is double what you paid last year.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So you earn 250k a year?Jay wrote:
If I lived in NSW my tax rate would be 35.75% or so. Add the VAT on top of that and we're talking about a lot of my time being wasted paying for other peoples Big Ideas.Adams_BJ wrote:
I don't get taxed very much though. And its certainly not 46% which is double what you paid last year.
As for VAT (which is called GST in Australia) is 10% a whole 1.25% more then New York City's sales tax. Thing is, a lot of 'necessities' are gst exempt, so I doubt you'd even pay the 8.75%.
According to wiki, national income tax is 30.3% above 180kDrunkFace wrote:
So you earn 250k a year?Jay wrote:
If I lived in NSW my tax rate would be 35.75% or so. Add the VAT on top of that and we're talking about a lot of my time being wasted paying for other peoples Big Ideas.Adams_BJ wrote:
I don't get taxed very much though. And its certainly not 46% which is double what you paid last year.
As for VAT (which is called GST in Australia) is 10% a whole 1.25% more then New York City's sales tax. Thing is, a lot of 'necessities' are gst exempt, so I doubt you'd even pay the 8.75%.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
plus 1.5% medicare levy and another 1% surcharge if you don't have private cover. You'll end up paying roughly 31.3% in taxes anyway and you get free health care. not to shabs tbh brah.
Point Im trying to make is who can tell and how, its not like we comparing Africa to USA or UKDilbert_X wrote:
Depends what you mean by 'better'.
Yes, top of the line US healthcare is better, for the average person top of the line is pretty well out of reach.
Better healthcare which is out of reach of most people? I don't see the value.
Geez, it makes me kind of sad seeing how much sense you guy's system makes and how ours is just destined to be overpriced and unavailable to the masses because everybody in charge of changing something like this is bought and paid for and the system is pretty much locked in. I'm Libertarian on most issues but the way that nerdy guy in the video explained it, socialized healthcare is just a better deal in every way because of how it works, it looks like capitalism has completely fucked healthcare.
I thought the higher taxes many European countries pay would've paid for it but it looks like it's irrelevant since you Aussies pay less than I do in income taxes and still get it.
If I'm understanding all of this correctly that is.
I thought the higher taxes many European countries pay would've paid for it but it looks like it's irrelevant since you Aussies pay less than I do in income taxes and still get it.
If I'm understanding all of this correctly that is.
how much are you making? i don't pay any income taxes at all coz i'm under the threshold of $18,600 per year and I'm on welfare too coz i'm a poor poor student_j5689_ wrote:
Geez, it makes me kind of sad seeing how much sense you guy's system makes and how ours is just destined to be overpriced and unavailable to the masses because everybody in charge of changing something like this is bought and paid for and the system is pretty much locked in. I'm Libertarian on most issues but the way that nerdy guy in the video explained it, socialized healthcare is just a better deal in every way because of how it works, it looks like capitalism has completely fucked healthcare.
I thought the higher taxes many European countries pay would've paid for it but it looks like it's irrelevant since you Aussies pay less than I do in income taxes and still get it.
If I'm understanding all of this correctly that is.
Trash.Cybargs wrote:
how much are you making? i don't pay any income taxes at all coz i'm under the threshold of $18,600 per year and I'm on welfare too coz i'm a poor poor student_j5689_ wrote:
Geez, it makes me kind of sad seeing how much sense you guy's system makes and how ours is just destined to be overpriced and unavailable to the masses because everybody in charge of changing something like this is bought and paid for and the system is pretty much locked in. I'm Libertarian on most issues but the way that nerdy guy in the video explained it, socialized healthcare is just a better deal in every way because of how it works, it looks like capitalism has completely fucked healthcare.
I thought the higher taxes many European countries pay would've paid for it but it looks like it's irrelevant since you Aussies pay less than I do in income taxes and still get it.
If I'm understanding all of this correctly that is.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
not my fault someone set the system up this way, the gov knows i have a job, cash in the bank etc etc. it's funny i maker more cash than my gf but she doesn't get government support because she's not a student anymore. top. lel.Jay wrote:
Trash.Cybargs wrote:
how much are you making? i don't pay any income taxes at all coz i'm under the threshold of $18,600 per year and I'm on welfare too coz i'm a poor poor student_j5689_ wrote:
Geez, it makes me kind of sad seeing how much sense you guy's system makes and how ours is just destined to be overpriced and unavailable to the masses because everybody in charge of changing something like this is bought and paid for and the system is pretty much locked in. I'm Libertarian on most issues but the way that nerdy guy in the video explained it, socialized healthcare is just a better deal in every way because of how it works, it looks like capitalism has completely fucked healthcare.
I thought the higher taxes many European countries pay would've paid for it but it looks like it's irrelevant since you Aussies pay less than I do in income taxes and still get it.
If I'm understanding all of this correctly that is.
you gotta put down the haterade jay.
You didn't create the system but bragging about gaming it makes you trash. You're stealing money from people with jobs.Cybargs wrote:
not my fault someone set the system up this way, the gov knows i have a job, cash in the bank etc etc. it's funny i maker more cash than my gf but she doesn't get government support because she's not a student anymore. top. lel.Jay wrote:
Trash.Cybargs wrote:
how much are you making? i don't pay any income taxes at all coz i'm under the threshold of $18,600 per year and I'm on welfare too coz i'm a poor poor student
you gotta put down the haterade jay.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And what does gaming the system for funding veterans benefits make you?
You really should stop throwing stones.
You really should stop throwing stones.
Fuck Israel
I earned my benefits. He's a foreigner collecting your tax dollars. Apples and oranges.Dilbert_X wrote:
And what does gaming the system for funding veterans benefits make you?
You really should stop throwing stones.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs is umpteenth generation Australian IIRC.
I'm not sure how you can say its OK for you to suck up benefits and game the system but if anyone else does it they're "stealing money from people with jobs".
Are you sure you're not a Republican? The level of hypocrisy would tally.
I'm not sure how you can say its OK for you to suck up benefits and game the system but if anyone else does it they're "stealing money from people with jobs".
Are you sure you're not a Republican? The level of hypocrisy would tally.
Fuck Israel
yeah because australian gov gives gov benefits to migrantsJay wrote:
I earned my benefits. He's a foreigner collecting your tax dollars. Apples and oranges.Dilbert_X wrote:
And what does gaming the system for funding veterans benefits make you?
You really should stop throwing stones.
How am I gaming the system? I met the criteria to collect and why shouldn't I get money when it's readily available? It's not like I'm collecting under fraudulent circumstances. I showed all my bank accounts, all my financial assets and I meet the criteria. It's not even that much jay, 150 bucks a week isn't exactly cash money balling. I could be a dole bludger, not work and get more but I have a job which pays good enough I got my welfare cut and I'm not bitching about that. If I really wanted to fraud the gov, I could just get a job that payed cash in hand. Shit at least I'm making good grades in uni and payed all my tuition upfront whereas most people get HECS.
Yawn.Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs is umpteenth generation Australian IIRC.
I'm not sure how you can say its OK for you to suck up benefits and game the system but if anyone else does it they're "stealing money from people with jobs".
Are you sure you're not a Republican? The level of hypocrisy would tally.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat