haha whatever you say. Thumbs up emoji!
Fun fact: plural marriage was officially terminated by the church in back in the 1800s and petered out by the early 1900's when excommunication for the offense was implemented. Mac, what you're thinking of nowadays are splinter groups like the FLDS. With your flippant regard for female worth, maybe you should hit one of these up and go live in a compound.
I also don't see you calling for Catholics being put on a terror watch list due to the Inquisition. Or Germans because of the Holocaust …
I also don't see you calling for Catholics being put on a terror watch list due to the Inquisition. Or Germans because of the Holocaust …
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I care more about women than you do. You want women to be drafted to die and get attacked in their safe space bathrooms.
yeah, so, there's that.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Fun fact: plural marriage was officially terminated by the church in back in the 1800s and petered out by the early 1900's
"we're not the closest thing to mooslim because a god told us to chase statehood despite what the sacred text states that plural marriage is a god given right" argument.
Q: when has a god ever given two (2) shits about the political boundaries of man?
A: when the priesthood of said cult decreed it so. mormans are like the the militants of the gods on Game of Thrones - despising this world in favor of the next but unwilling to pass up political power in this world when it suits a need. i.e., blacks getting the priesthood in mormanism when it threatened their tax exempt status.
the splinter groups you speak of control the trash collection in Utah today (irony anyone?). they build the homes and sweep the streets of prosperous mormans as we speak. they await a call to receive their higher glory (what pre-destinationists call their exaltation) to move to Missouri and meet the north american christ to abolish what is present day mormanism. the two groups contend that jesus will settle shit in the middle east and then come here to personally shake the hand of each admirer and cast the other in the pit of fire.
if you do not believe me, PM ATG and his dad and twenty mothers.
Steve I hope you realise that all the tenets and religious practices of Mormons also exist or have existed in Europe. pre-destination, the covenant, the elect, hardcore thin-lipped fuckers in smocks who are never more than a screen window away from political power ...
what's funny about Mormonism isn't its hardcore Christian theology (not much different from Jesuits or Calvinists really), it's the fact the religion was founded basically on a sci-fi story by the progenitor of L Ron Hubbard. oh you found a tablet in the hills but you lost it again? oh Jesus went to America? ok!!!
what's funny about Mormonism isn't its hardcore Christian theology (not much different from Jesuits or Calvinists really), it's the fact the religion was founded basically on a sci-fi story by the progenitor of L Ron Hubbard. oh you found a tablet in the hills but you lost it again? oh Jesus went to America? ok!!!
That's the basis of pretty well every religion.uziq wrote:
oh you found a tablet in the hills but you lost it again?
Fuck Israel
no the basis of most religions is a code of ethics and group morality that existed for thousands of years. codified into myths and rich symbols, yes, but these are for instructional and pedagogic purposes as much as anything. how many parables and biblical figures are used in our culture in everyday life to explain things? think of the power of proverbs. all this is useful for building a group identity and declaring norms and mores.Dilbert_X wrote:
That's the basis of pretty well every religion.uziq wrote:
oh you found a tablet in the hills but you lost it again?
but yes, they were founded in more credulous times. it's why any modern religion instantly seems zany, or like a cult. it doesn't have the weight of history and common sense social wisdom.
Continuous revelation is something shared by Mormons, Pentecostals, and Quakers. That's not the focus of Shi'a or Sunni Muslims to my knowledge. The Mormons took advantage of it when they canceled plural marriage and allowed blacks into the priesthood. But far be it for me to bar Burnzz from frothing at the mouth about imaginary Mormons or Mormon plots.
In a few hundred years Trumpism and Scientology will be respected religions.uziq wrote:
it's why any modern religion instantly seems zany, or like a cult. it doesn't have the weight of history and common sense social wisdom a long track record of being believed without question on pain of death and the actual roots of the thing being so far away they're impossible to remember let alone question
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we're not credulous enough anymore for invented origin myths. by weight of history I meant the core ethics of these religions, which are essentially wise and true when it comes to living in human communities.
Regulations on mildew are my favourite.
Fuck Israel
atheists reduce the essential sensibleness of their argument when they become pedants. religions aren't all dumb or useless, sorry it doesn't fit your black and white conception of life.
someone close to me once said "i don't care what you think of my religion, it brings me peace."uziq wrote:
atheists reduce the essential sensibleness of their argument when they become pedants. religions aren't all dumb or useless, sorry it doesn't fit your black and white conception of life.
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Continuous revelation is something shared by Mormons, Pentecostals, and Quakers. That's not the focus of Shi'a or Sunni Muslims to my knowledge. The Mormons took advantage of it when they canceled plural marriage and allowed blacks into the priesthood. But far be it for me to bar Burnzz from frothing at the mouth about imaginary Mormons or Mormon plots.
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imaginary Mormons
wtf is an imaginary morman? someone who shows up for sunday school yet still plays video games? "took advantage of it" when they saw the government about to change their tax status - ok, but they did not cancel plural marriage, they wanted statehood so they wouldn't be raped by the mexicans. Bring Them Young was the first trumpeter about building a wall with mexico, he knew they'd be fucked like the slowest sister if Utah wasn't admitted to the union, and had the US Army to fight his wars. Mormans had more important things to do, like chasing the female kin to see who was the slowest.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
imaginary
The slow ones were made wives or moderators.
Sorry to waste your credulity and so many words of your time on a simple word swap error, burnz. *Mormons and imaginary Mormon plots.
It humors me to picture you madly swinging a golf club at make-believe missionaries though. Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
It humors me to picture you madly swinging a golf club at make-believe missionaries though. Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
actually i don't, i'm going golfing.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Sorry to waste your credulity and so many words of your time on a simple word swap error, burnz. *Mormons and imaginary Mormon plots.
It humors me to picture you madly swinging a golf club at make-believe missionaries though. Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/ … index.htmlWashington (CNN)Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Thursday called for the U.S. to test every person with a Muslim background to see if they believe in Sharia law, and deport those who do.
"Let me be as blunt and direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported," Gingrich said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity. "Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization. Modern Muslims who have given up Sharia, glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door."
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"How do we ascertain -- how do you possibly ascertain whether or not that person really wants assimilation, really wants a new life, or whether or not they want to expand that caliphate, which is what we're at war against?" Hannity asked.
"The first step is you have to ask them the questions," Gingrich responded. "The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the Internet. The third step is, let me be very clear, you have to monitor the mosques. I mean, if you're not prepared to monitor the mosques, this whole thing is a joke. Where do you think the primary source of recruitment is? Where do you think the primary place of indoctrination is? You've got to look at the madrassas -- if you're a school which is teaching Sharia, you want to expel it from the country."
Christ, has it really come to this? Looks like we are one good attack away from people suggesting camps. I am not sure if the American right wing is just crazy now or if westerners are just this vindictive.
Yes it has, bad luck frankly. This is a clash of ideologies and these never end with compromise.
The only part he is wrong about is monitoring mosques.
Burn them to the ground, its the only answer.
The only part he is wrong about is monitoring mosques.
Burn them to the ground, its the only answer.
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I don't think we should burn the mosque. Just convert them to churches and force Muslims to go to them like the Spanish did. Maybe Trump can make a deal with Mexico to make this happen.
Or France needs to stop ghettoizing their immigrants and get rid of the lifetime job so that young people are hired instead of sitting idle and open to radicalism. Instead of getting indoctrinated in college like our young radical idiots, they get radicalized on the internet or by imams and they go blow stuff up. Youth unemployment is the primary issue. Idle hands...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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-Frederick Bastiat
I used to believe in multiculturalism, that every culture has their own uniqueness and morality and that once you account for the circumstances and history that created them, are all relatively equal. I believed in open borders, where people should be able to come and go as they please and find work wherever they can. I've since come to realize that there's a lot of baggage that comes with every culture. Multiculturalism creates "separate but equal" worlds where people keep to their own cloistered cultures. To a multiculturalist, this is not a bad thing. They think that over time, cultures will rub against each other and that good things will come out of it. But rubbing creates friction and friction creates fire.
Cultures are evolutionary beings of their own that developed over time in response to climate, religion, war, other cultures etc. They're instilled in us from birth by our parents, our neighbors and our governments. I've since come to understand that the only path to getting along in this world is via assimilation. In order to live harmoniously within a culture, you have to adopt the language and customs of the place, at least outwardly. Keep your religion and your native tongue, but at home. The left wing "keep your culture and your language, we who were here already will adjust to your needs" crap needs to go.
Cultures are evolutionary beings of their own that developed over time in response to climate, religion, war, other cultures etc. They're instilled in us from birth by our parents, our neighbors and our governments. I've since come to understand that the only path to getting along in this world is via assimilation. In order to live harmoniously within a culture, you have to adopt the language and customs of the place, at least outwardly. Keep your religion and your native tongue, but at home. The left wing "keep your culture and your language, we who were here already will adjust to your needs" crap needs to go.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Congratulations. You have finally become a Republican.
Seriously though, I generally agree with the idea of assimilation. But there are two forms of multiculturalism. One is the idea of Chinese restaurants and Latin dance clubs and the occasional parade. A mandatory second language class in high school won't hurt either. Those are great and something that should be encouraged.
The bad form of multiculturalism is the type that starts to give out rights and privileges to groups for the sake of maintaining their culture. One big one that angers me is Sharia courts for civil cases and in arbitration. Other smaller types are things like preventing gay clubs to open near a Jewish temple or Jewish police patrols.
A major issue with this whole debate is that there is a large and very vocal conservative part of the country that completely rejects the first sort of multiculturalism that is good. Being a New Yorker, I think you would agree that it works in our part of the country just fine and it would work in the rest of the country if they were more open minded. It's good for business and safety.
Then when it comes election time that conservative group starts screaming nasty stuff and that leaves moderate or vaguely conservative people like me no choice but to side with the liberals who are misguided but at least mean well. Eventually you get things like the "Obama Coalition" that is going to get Hillary in the white house and double down on the second type of multiculturalism out of spite. Oh well.
Seriously though, I generally agree with the idea of assimilation. But there are two forms of multiculturalism. One is the idea of Chinese restaurants and Latin dance clubs and the occasional parade. A mandatory second language class in high school won't hurt either. Those are great and something that should be encouraged.
The bad form of multiculturalism is the type that starts to give out rights and privileges to groups for the sake of maintaining their culture. One big one that angers me is Sharia courts for civil cases and in arbitration. Other smaller types are things like preventing gay clubs to open near a Jewish temple or Jewish police patrols.
A major issue with this whole debate is that there is a large and very vocal conservative part of the country that completely rejects the first sort of multiculturalism that is good. Being a New Yorker, I think you would agree that it works in our part of the country just fine and it would work in the rest of the country if they were more open minded. It's good for business and safety.
Then when it comes election time that conservative group starts screaming nasty stuff and that leaves moderate or vaguely conservative people like me no choice but to side with the liberals who are misguided but at least mean well. Eventually you get things like the "Obama Coalition" that is going to get Hillary in the white house and double down on the second type of multiculturalism out of spite. Oh well.
I don't have any problem with teaching a second language or experiencing new things. I'm not saying a Chinese person shouldn't come here and not open a restaurant, I think it's awesome that they do, and most of them also try really fucking hard to learn English. Is it perfect? No, they were still raised in a super corrupt culture that specializes in tax avoidance and skirting the law. That's the kind of friction I'm talking about. I think it's healthy to talk about these things as well rather than just brushing them under the rug and accusing people of being racist in order to shut them up.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Congratulations. You have finally become a Republican.
Seriously though, I generally agree with the idea of assimilation. But there are two forms of multiculturalism. One is the idea of Chinese restaurants and Latin dance clubs and the occasional parade. A mandatory second language class in high school won't hurt either. Those are great and something that should be encouraged.
The bad form of multiculturalism is the type that starts to give out rights and privileges to groups for the sake of maintaining their culture. One big one that angers me is Sharia courts for civil cases and in arbitration. Other smaller types are things like preventing gay clubs to open near a Jewish temple or Jewish police patrols.
A major issue with this whole debate is that there is a large and very vocal conservative part of the country that completely rejects the first sort of multiculturalism that is good. Being a New Yorker, I think you would agree that it works in our part of the country just fine and it would work in the rest of the country if they were more open minded. It's good for business and safety.
Then when it comes election time that conservative group starts screaming nasty stuff and that leaves moderate or vaguely conservative people like me no choice but to side with the liberals who are misguided but at least mean well. Eventually you get things like the "Obama Coalition" that is going to get Hillary in the white house and double down on the second type of multiculturalism out of spite. Oh well.
No culture remains static, the point is to change the culture from within over time, not show up and demand special treatment. The little fiefdoms that people like the Hassidics have carved out are an abomination. Secular law should always trump religious law when you're out in the real world and walking on the street.
And like you, I'm pissed off that my options are either voting for someone who wants to build a wall or someone whose base is comprised of social justice warriors who see any criticism of minority groups as oppression that must be fought and shamed.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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that's the liberal line, centrist, not left wing. the left is avowedly secular. tolerance and pluralism are tenets of liberalism. it's weird how you get these partly cogent ideas and make them crackpot polemics against imaginary groups.Jay wrote:
The left wing "keep your culture and your language, we who were here already will adjust to your needs" crap needs to go.
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I think the issues caused by "Social Justice Warriors" are very tiny compared to everything else going on and compared to their main opposition the alt-right. SJW haven't killed anyone out of hate nor do they advocate for genocide and whatever else middle class 20ish Trump supporters fantasize about. Whenever someone starts talking about the plague of SJW I immediately become skeptical of that person's views. A college student telling you to pick your words more carefully seems like such a petty thing to get upset over. Aren't there more important things going on like Tibet not being freed or barrel bombs over Aleppo? You either have to be pretty ignorant of the world or myopic to think bored college students are worth getting more angry over than anything else going on in the world.
Oh and a bunch of people got killed today in Germany if you haven't been following the news.
Oh and a bunch of people got killed today in Germany if you haven't been following the news.